celestrial armor's +8 maximum dexterity cap? [Archive] - Wizards Community

celestrial armor's +8 maximum dexterity cap? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Asmodeous
08-29-05, 03:16 AM The celestrial armor from the v3.5 dmg is basically a silver of gold suit of chain mail, +3 with user activated fly spell and a maximum of +8 to the dexterity bonus allowed when this armor is worn.

Normally chain mail is only allowed +2 dexterity bonus, or +4 if the chain mail is made of mithral.

I was wondering what or how is this factored in for pricing the armor? Or, put another way, if I wanted to make a +5 breast plate armor with a maximum of + 8 dexterity bonus, how is it's market price worked out?

Thanks for the help! :P
NeueRegel
08-29-05, 05:28 AM The breakdown leaves the "cost" of that dex cap @ 8000gp.

The reality is that it's an almost arbitrary guess by somebody. The best other comparison is the Sun Blade, the way it's a bastard sword but as light and wieldful as a shortsword. And it breaks down to a +2 sword +1 (bane) +2 holy, or a +5 sword, 5^2 * 2000gp = 25,000 gp. So it's shortswordedness and it's sunlight are "freebies".

What do the armor and the sword have in common? "Creator must be good". So, what it comes down to, is a very arbitrary call, and a DM that has a feel for celestial/goodness items. That's just the rib about specific items; guesswork. Especially with the armor @ CL 5; Not alot of spells in there that you can say were used, like "freedom of movement" or anything.

Best of luck. :)

NeueRegel
Asmodeous
08-29-05, 07:58 AM Thanks for that. That is pretty much what I figured, but I thought I would ask anyway in case my hunch was wrong.

It really bodes asking because such a thing would be very powerful.
If you could adhoc the celestrial armor to +5 defence enhancement, you have a total of +18 possible defence (assuming character has enough dex)
and how about applying the same to a suit of admantium full plate? +5 enhancement and a dexterity cap of say, +6? 19 points of defence possible.

Sounds like a good way to further boost your defence, albeit, covered in grated cheeze.
peanut35
08-29-05, 09:46 AM NeueRegel - In the pricing for teh sword, i presume you meant 5^2 * 1000 gp = 25,000 gp, as what you have written would actually equal 50,000 gp, and the other abilities would not be free.
dedicated
08-29-05, 09:53 AM NeueRegel - In the pricing for teh sword, i presume you meant 5^2 * 1000 gp = 25,000 gp, as what you have written would actually equal 50,000 gp, and the other abilities would not be free.
No he doesn't. The pricing for a magical sword is bonus^2*2000 gp ;) (although he did mess up his math)
Raven Dark
08-29-05, 10:20 AM I always thought that the Mithral Shirt was simply a chain shirt made from mithral.

Guess I was wrong.

A Mithral Shirt created for a medium character weighs only 10 pounds wheras a Chain Shirt created from Mithral would weigh 12.5 pounds.

Another freebie of sorts.
Tony Vargas
08-29-05, 02:02 PM Celestial Mail is a unique type of item. As a general rule, you shouldn't 'reverse engineer' these items to extract a 'cost' of thier unique functions and then aply it to anything else - at least, you shouldn't if you don't want to create imbalanced items.

Likewise, you shouldn't add to or upgrade such items. A MAX-DEX-enhanced suit of full plate, or a +5 suit of Celestial Mail could easily be 'broken' items, for instance.

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Asmodeous 08-29-05, 03:16 AM	The celestrial armor from the v3.5 dmg is basically a silver of gold suit of chain mail, +3 with user activated fly spell and a maximum of +8 to the dexterity bonus allowed when this armor is worn. Normally chain mail is only allowed +2 dexterity bonus, or +4 if the chain mail is made of mithral. I was wondering what or how is this factored in for pricing the armor? Or, put another way, if I wanted to make a +5 breast plate armor with a maximum of + 8 dexterity bonus, how is it's market price worked out? Thanks for the help! :P
NeueRegel 08-29-05, 05:28 AM	The breakdown leaves the "cost" of that dex cap @ 8000gp. The reality is that it's an almost arbitrary guess by somebody. The best other comparison is the Sun Blade, the way it's a bastard sword but as light and wieldful as a shortsword. And it breaks down to a +2 sword +1 (bane) +2 holy, or a +5 sword, 5^2 * 2000gp = 25,000 gp. So it's shortswordedness and it's sunlight are "freebies". What do the armor and the sword have in common? "Creator must be good". So, what it comes down to, is a very arbitrary call, and a DM that has a feel for celestial/goodness items. That's just the rib about specific items; guesswork. Especially with the armor @ CL 5; Not alot of spells in there that you can say were used, like "freedom of movement" or anything. Best of luck. :) NeueRegel
Asmodeous 08-29-05, 07:58 AM	Thanks for that. That is pretty much what I figured, but I thought I would ask anyway in case my hunch was wrong. It really bodes asking because such a thing would be very powerful. If you could adhoc the celestrial armor to +5 defence enhancement, you have a total of +18 possible defence (assuming character has enough dex) and how about applying the same to a suit of admantium full plate? +5 enhancement and a dexterity cap of say, +6? 19 points of defence possible. Sounds like a good way to further boost your defence, albeit, covered in grated cheeze.
peanut35 08-29-05, 09:46 AM	NeueRegel - In the pricing for teh sword, i presume you meant 5^2 * 1000 gp = 25,000 gp, as what you have written would actually equal 50,000 gp, and the other abilities would not be free.
dedicated 08-29-05, 09:53 AM	NeueRegel - In the pricing for teh sword, i presume you meant 5^2 * 1000 gp = 25,000 gp, as what you have written would actually equal 50,000 gp, and the other abilities would not be free. No he doesn't. The pricing for a magical sword is bonus^2*2000 gp ;) (although he did mess up his math)
Raven Dark 08-29-05, 10:20 AM	I always thought that the Mithral Shirt was simply a chain shirt made from mithral. Guess I was wrong. A Mithral Shirt created for a medium character weighs only 10 pounds wheras a Chain Shirt created from Mithral would weigh 12.5 pounds. Another freebie of sorts.
Tony Vargas 08-29-05, 02:02 PM	Celestial Mail is a unique type of item. As a general rule, you shouldn't 'reverse engineer' these items to extract a 'cost' of thier unique functions and then aply it to anything else - at least, you shouldn't if you don't want to create imbalanced items. Likewise, you shouldn't add to or upgrade such items. A MAX-DEX-enhanced suit of full plate, or a +5 suit of Celestial Mail could easily be 'broken' items, for instance.