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Jay_Ibero_911 01-10-07, 09:02 PM	I know it's not RAW, but I think it'd be interesting idea for a suit of chain mail or chain shirt had individual links made out of different special materials. Like half mithral, half adamantine or something like that. Or a spiked chain made half from silver, half from cold iron, and having a 50% chance of overcoming either DR, or maybe just ignoring half the DR. Sure, this makes for some complicated rules, but it's a neat idea huh?
Grod_The_Giant 01-10-07, 09:09 PM	I'd rule that the material costs are 1/2, but so are the effects.
lint trap 01-10-07, 09:11 PM	Make that chain a cold iron weapon with the Truesilver enhancement (Ghostwalk 64), and you don't have to compromise.
Silverthumb128 01-10-07, 09:18 PM	Yeah, just halve the benefits. Mithral increases the Dexterity bonus by 2, and decreases the Armor Check Penalty by 3, so I'd say Dexterity bonus +1, and ACP -2. Likewise, Adamantine, as Medium Armor(chainmail), provides DR 2/-, so it becomes 1/-. Here's the end result: Bastard Mail- Medium Armor, +5 AC, +3 Max Dex, -3 Armor Check Penalty, Damage Reduction 1/-, Weight 30 lbs, Arcane Spell Failure 20%, Total Cost: 7250 Wow, for that price, that's actually pretty crappy. But, to each his own, right?
dengarbountyhunter 01-11-07, 05:18 PM	I've already thought of a chain shirt carved from a single piece of wood (druid artifact, mind you), with all the links CARVED into each other... but links of different materials, that's just brilliant...
crimsonwolf 01-11-07, 05:29 PM	umm becuse of the mixture of metal either 1 gonna cost more to meld the chains or 2 gonna be alot more fragile.. wait this is chain mail... i would enchant the rings before you put it toghter ;) oh lets say a relly cheap spell storing ;) how many rings are normal in each set of chain mail.?
Tharivol_Nailo 01-11-07, 06:06 PM	The DMG says that if a set of armour is made form multiple materials, you only get the benefit of the predoominate material. For example a set of armour made of both adamantite and mithral could either grant damage reductionOR light weight and reduced penalty. Never both.
ShinAkuma2 01-11-07, 07:07 PM	The DMG says that if a set of armour is made form multiple materials, you only get the benefit of the predoominate material. For example a set of armour made of both adamantite and mithral could either grant damage reductionOR light weight and reduced penalty. Never both. Hence the thread. :rolleyes: He's proposing a "Wouldn't it be cool if...?"
Artector 01-11-07, 07:12 PM	I'd like to have a double-edged sword. One edge is silver, the other is adamantine. Then for kicks you could figure out how to do a cold iron pommel that you could bash with and enhance seperatly.
Archmage_of_Blood 01-11-07, 07:41 PM	I'd like to have a double-edged sword. One edge is silver, the other is adamantine. Then for kicks you could figure out how to do a cold iron pommel that you could bash with and enhance seperatly. That (at the very least the different blades) is doable and has been done.
Sergikins 01-11-07, 09:32 PM	umm becuse of the mixture of metal either 1 gonna cost more to meld the chains or 2 gonna be alot more fragile.. wait this is chain mail... i would enchant the rings before you put it toghter ;) oh lets say a relly cheap spell storing ;) how many rings are normal in each set of chain mail.? oh only about 50,000
dengarbountyhunter 01-11-07, 09:48 PM	Double edged in the sense of "two edges of the same blade"? Sorry, but I don't think that a sword could be forged like this, or at least without magical intervention... It's not quite balance-breaking, just lacking some realism. I'm totally with the cold iron pommel idea though.
Artector 01-11-07, 10:02 PM	Double edged in the sense of "two edges of the same blade"? Sorry, but I don't think that a sword could be forged like this, or at least without magical intervention... It's not quite balance-breaking, just lacking some realism. I'm totally with the cold iron pommel idea though. Well, this is a "What if?" thread. I know it would be almost impossible, but still cool.
Lakaniss 01-11-07, 11:31 PM	in other words, from now on, ill never make a total mithril armor, since if i make a 51% mithril armor , it does the EXACT job of a normal suit of armor... isnt that decreasing the price of my armor ?
Silverthumb128 01-12-07, 01:35 AM	I think the idea of a "What if" thread is being lost, even though the initial post says that he knows its not RAW.
crimsonwolf 01-12-07, 04:20 AM	Quote: Originally Posted by crimsonwolf umm becuse of the mixture of metal either 1 gonna cost more to meld the chains or 2 gonna be alot more fragile.. wait this is chain mail... i would enchant the rings before you put it toghter oh lets say a relly cheap spell storing how many rings are normal in each set of chain mail.? oh only about 50,000aa how many power of storings is that for a mage that takes the time off ;)
Banatine 01-12-07, 01:46 PM	"If you make a suit of armour or a weapon out of more than one special material, you only get the benefit ofmonly the most prevalent material. For example, full plate made of both adamantine and mithril will either provide damage reduction or lower weight, not both. However, you can build a double weapon with each head made of a differand material." Quoted exactly from the DMG. The reason it works this way is to prevent people making armour out of every metal presented in the splatbooks. Without that you could make a sword out of starmetal, thinaun, pandemonic silver and mithril, or some other silly combination. However... If you really want a rule for it, how about this: Whenever you are hit, roll a D1% using the percentage content of each metal starting with the lowest percentage, then going up. whatever number rolled shows which section of the metal the monster hits, and therefore what properties the armour has against that particular attack. For example, armour is made from 14% adamantine, 35% mithril, and 51% steel, the roll would be: 01-14 adamantine, 15-48 mithril, and 49-100 steel. Savvy?
Vaalingrade Ashland 01-12-07, 01:52 PM	I don't know about mixing up the links in a chain shirt, but I have worked up a pertty good piecemeal armor system if you'd like to check it out: http://worldofere.com/equipment/armor.htm This would allow one to make a mithral chainshirt with adamantine pauldrons, for example.
ZomB 01-12-07, 01:56 PM	Multiple metals in contact would rust at an alarming rate - unless all but one of them was totally inert (e.g. gold).
DNash 01-12-07, 02:09 PM	I know it's not RAW, but I think it'd be interesting idea for a suit of chain mail or chain shirt had individual links made out of different special materials. Like half mithral, half adamantine or something like that. Or a spiked chain made half from silver, half from cold iron, and having a 50% chance of overcoming either DR, or maybe just ignoring half the DR. Sure, this makes for some complicated rules, but it's a neat idea huh? Well, the half-n-half spiked chain can already be done, can't it? Since it's wielded as a double weapon, and the SRD mentions that a double weapon can be half cold iron. I don't see why it couldn't be half silver, too. As for the armor, that's a cool idea. Just as far as "realism" and "logic" go, mail is made from individual rings being assembled, and there certainly are historical examples made with alternating rows of riveted links and solid links (solid meaning there's no split for them to be opened and linked around the others, they're a continuous, unbroken ring). Gaining half of the benefits from each material seems sensible enough, too. Offhand, I'd say a full set of mail made of half adamantine and half mithral would gain DR 1/-, would weigh 75% what a normal set would weigh, would have a 5% reduction in ASF, a +1 to MDB. I'd probably give it the full 3-point reduction in ACP, but I wouldn't let it count as a category lighter.
Sergikins 01-13-07, 10:21 PM	Multiple metals in contact would rust at an alarming rate - unless all but one of them was totally inert (e.g. gold). haha, not. I've woven my own chainmail shirt, and I'd say from my experience with rusting metals (of which the only one i know is iron) is that even with it rusting quickly, maintance (which is something a fighter does in his down time) prevents it easily. also, mithril is related to silver, and silver doesn't rust. most metals actually corrode or tarnish. corrosion simply affects the color fo the metal, for example, look at a brass instrument. it tarnishs and turns a dark mustard color. its just as strong, just dosn't look as good. silver (even fine silver, which is a material i work with often, 99.9% silver) just tarnishs. i imagine mithril would do the same. adamantine is not even remotly related, but i imagine it as a gem like substance for some reason. on the other hand, i have no evidence that it is a gemlike subtance or related to any known metal. in the end, unless the armor is made from iron, it can't rust. just a correction i felt like i had to make, sorry
runestar 01-14-07, 01:47 AM	PGTF has a battleaxe, where one of its two heads was made out of cold iron, and the other made out of adamantine. This lets you overcome either dr/cold iron or dr/adamantine using said weapon. That is the only precedent I know.:)
Drucilla_Rocks_my_Socks 01-14-07, 10:46 AM	Hmmm...I think I'll just take a nickle and copper chainmail and soak myself in lemon juice to do electricity damage in a grapple. Or maby not.
Artector 01-14-07, 01:22 PM	Hmmm...I think I'll just take a nickle and copper chainmail and soak myself in lemon juice to do electricity damage in a grapple. Or maby not. The dragon might appreiciate you basting yourself for him.