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Charging and Attacks of Opportunity [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Malibu Trojan
06-26-05, 09:49 PM I have a character with the mount feats, including Ride-by-Attack. Normally if I charge a monster with reach, I provoke an attack of opportunity when I move adjacent to them (by leaving the outer square that they threaten). Ride-by-Attack says that I do not provoke any attacks of opportunity from the creature I charge. So with R-b-A, do I provoke AoO's from creatures (that I charge) with reach? Doesn't it seem silly if I don't provoke them when I ride-by but I do if I just plainly charge?
Nom
06-26-05, 10:02 PM The point of both the RBA and Spring Attack special abilities is that you can move in, get a free attack, and move away again without getting hit. It's rather fundamental to both these abilities that you don't provoke an AoO from the target.

Reach is irrelevant. You don't provoke an AoO from your target either before, after or during the attack. This does not provide immunity to readied attacks, nor does it protect against AoOs from 3rd parties.
Ranix
06-26-05, 10:02 PM Might seem silly, depends how you look at it. Ride-By is really just a mounted Spring Attack if you look at it closely.

You can ride by the hag without provoking but you take a hit if you charge head-on. One requires special training and the other is just rushing towards something with reckless abandon. Doesn't seem so silly anymore.
Dalthbar
06-26-05, 10:07 PM Let's also remember what an AoO is - it's a moment in which you are doing something that you do not have full focus on what's going on and your opponent is able to take advantage of that and get an attack of -OPPORTUNITY-. Your training is such that you eliminate those opportunities and thus the opponent does not have the chance to attack.
Ranix
06-26-05, 10:09 PM The crowd speaks in unison and the peasants rejoice.
Malibu Trojan
06-26-05, 10:25 PM So, with my feat, I provoke the AoO's when I charge head on against a creature with reach, but not if I charge as a ride-by?

Why am I the only one who thinks this is weird? I'm not even attacking when the AoO is provoked, nor am I moving past them, which is what RbA really lets me do.
Malibu Trojan
06-26-05, 10:33 PM Ride-By is really just a mounted Spring Attack if you look at it closely.
Yeah, I knew that. What's the relevance?

You can ride by the hag without provoking but you take a hit if you charge head-on. One requires special training and the other is just rushing towards something with reckless abandon. Doesn't seem so silly anymore.
Still seems silly. Why can't you use that "special training" while charging head on (instead of "rushing...with reckless abandon")?
Greyman
06-27-05, 03:11 AM So, with my feat, I provoke the AoO's when I charge head on against a creature with reach, but not if I charge as a ride-by?

Why am I the only one who thinks this is weird?Because you've failed to realise that a normal charge can be made with a ride-by-attack, where the movement you make after charging happens to be 0 feet. When you charge as a ride-by-attack you can move up to double your speed in a straight line, but you do not have to move the full distance. You can stop any time after you've attacked, including right then.
Malibu Trojan
06-27-05, 11:34 AM Because you've failed to realise that a normal charge can be made with a ride-by-attack, where the movement you make after charging happens to be 0 feet. When you charge as a ride-by-attack you can move up to double your speed in a straight line, but you do not have to move the full distance. You can stop any time after you've attacked, including right then.
So if I have Ride-by-Attack, I don't ever provoke AoO's from the creature I charge, regardless of reach. Correct?
(Sorry if I seem a bit dense, but I think I started off with some unclear diction and it's only been compounded.)
mvincent
06-27-05, 04:06 PM So if I have Ride-by-Attack, I don't ever provoke AoO's from the creature I charge, regardless of reach. Correct?
(Sorry if I seem a bit dense, but I think I started off with some unclear diction and it's only been compounded.)Yes

(and I think I see your confusion: unlike spring attack, ride-by does not have a stipulation that the attacker must move after attacking in order to obtain the protection from AoO's)
Malibu Trojan
06-28-05, 01:28 AM Yes

(and I think I see your confusion: unlike spring attack, ride-by does not have a stipulation that the attacker must move after attacking in order to obtain the protection from AoO's)
Thanks for the help, Mr. Vincent in particular for being understanding ;)
Mahali Audran
06-29-05, 07:42 PM So, with my feat, I provoke the AoO's when I charge head on against a creature with reach, but not if I charge as a ride-by?

Why am I the only one who thinks this is weird? I'm not even attacking when the AoO is provoked, nor am I moving past them, which is what RbA really lets me do.

Probably. You paid for a feat which has the limitation that you must be mounted.
Greyman
06-30-05, 07:50 AM I have a character with the mount feats, including Ride-by-Attack. Normally if I charge a monster with reach, I provoke an attack of opportunity when I move adjacent to them (by leaving the outer square that they threaten). Ride-by-Attack says that I do not provoke any attacks of opportunity from the creature I charge. So with R-b-A, do I provoke AoO's from creatures (that I charge) with reach? Doesn't it seem silly if I don't provoke them when I ride-by but I do if I just plainly charge?By the way. The rider and mount both occupy a large space. Unless the creature had more than ten feet of reach, you wouldn't normally provoke an attack of opportunity when making a charge anyway. You wouldn't actually be leaving any threatened squares as you pass through the creature's reach.

- horsie and rider
- ogre
- threatened space

Approach -->

Enter threat zone.

Contact!

Of course, having Ride-By-Attack makes this moot, but I just thought I'd point it out anyway.
Nom
06-30-05, 08:28 AM By the way. The rider and mount both occupy a large space. Unless the creature had more than ten feet of reach, you wouldn't normally provoke an attack of opportunity when making a charge anyway. You wouldn't actually be leaving any threatened squares as you pass through the creature's reach.I disagree. In most situations, anything that one of your squares does is considered to be done by all of you.
Alsharad
06-30-05, 08:49 AM I agree with everything else in this thread except for:

Might seem silly, depends how you look at it. Ride-By is really just a mounted Spring Attack if you look at it closely.

No, they are different. Ride-By is only usable during the charge action (which is a special full-round action). Spring attack allows you to move, make a standard attack, and then continue to move. You cannot charge and spring attack at the same time because they are two different types of actions. You CAN Ride-by and charge (in fact, it is the ONLY time that you can ride by).
Mahali Audran
06-30-05, 04:04 PM Approach -->

Enter threat zone.

Contact!

Of course, having Ride-By-Attack makes this moot, but I just thought I'd point it out anyway.

Umm, right there... you just left a threatend space. The front 2 squares of the horse (and you) left the square 10' away from the ogre and moved into the square 5' away. Without a feat or tumble to prevent an AoO you just provoked.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Malibu Trojan 06-26-05, 09:49 PM	I have a character with the mount feats, including Ride-by-Attack. Normally if I charge a monster with reach, I provoke an attack of opportunity when I move adjacent to them (by leaving the outer square that they threaten). Ride-by-Attack says that I do not provoke any attacks of opportunity from the creature I charge. So with R-b-A, do I provoke AoO's from creatures (that I charge) with reach? Doesn't it seem silly if I don't provoke them when I ride-by but I do if I just plainly charge?
Nom 06-26-05, 10:02 PM	The point of both the RBA and Spring Attack special abilities is that you can move in, get a free attack, and move away again without getting hit. It's rather fundamental to both these abilities that you don't provoke an AoO from the target. Reach is irrelevant. You don't provoke an AoO from your target either before, after or during the attack. This does not provide immunity to readied attacks, nor does it protect against AoOs from 3rd parties.
Ranix 06-26-05, 10:02 PM	Might seem silly, depends how you look at it. Ride-By is really just a mounted Spring Attack if you look at it closely. You can ride by the hag without provoking but you take a hit if you charge head-on. One requires special training and the other is just rushing towards something with reckless abandon. Doesn't seem so silly anymore.
Dalthbar 06-26-05, 10:07 PM	Let's also remember what an AoO is - it's a moment in which you are doing something that you do not have full focus on what's going on and your opponent is able to take advantage of that and get an attack of -OPPORTUNITY-. Your training is such that you eliminate those opportunities and thus the opponent does not have the chance to attack.
Ranix 06-26-05, 10:09 PM	The crowd speaks in unison and the peasants rejoice.
Malibu Trojan 06-26-05, 10:25 PM	So, with my feat, I provoke the AoO's when I charge head on against a creature with reach, but not if I charge as a ride-by? Why am I the only one who thinks this is weird? I'm not even attacking when the AoO is provoked, nor am I moving past them, which is what RbA really lets me do.
Malibu Trojan 06-26-05, 10:33 PM	Ride-By is really just a mounted Spring Attack if you look at it closely. Yeah, I knew that. What's the relevance? You can ride by the hag without provoking but you take a hit if you charge head-on. One requires special training and the other is just rushing towards something with reckless abandon. Doesn't seem so silly anymore. Still seems silly. Why can't you use that "special training" while charging head on (instead of "rushing...with reckless abandon")?
Greyman 06-27-05, 03:11 AM	So, with my feat, I provoke the AoO's when I charge head on against a creature with reach, but not if I charge as a ride-by? Why am I the only one who thinks this is weird?Because you've failed to realise that a normal charge can be made with a ride-by-attack, where the movement you make after charging happens to be 0 feet. When you charge as a ride-by-attack you can move up to double your speed in a straight line, but you do not have to move the full distance. You can stop any time after you've attacked, including right then.
Malibu Trojan 06-27-05, 11:34 AM	Because you've failed to realise that a normal charge can be made with a ride-by-attack, where the movement you make after charging happens to be 0 feet. When you charge as a ride-by-attack you can move up to double your speed in a straight line, but you do not have to move the full distance. You can stop any time after you've attacked, including right then. So if I have Ride-by-Attack, I don't ever provoke AoO's from the creature I charge, regardless of reach. Correct? (Sorry if I seem a bit dense, but I think I started off with some unclear diction and it's only been compounded.)
mvincent 06-27-05, 04:06 PM	So if I have Ride-by-Attack, I don't ever provoke AoO's from the creature I charge, regardless of reach. Correct? (Sorry if I seem a bit dense, but I think I started off with some unclear diction and it's only been compounded.)Yes (and I think I see your confusion: unlike spring attack, ride-by does not have a stipulation that the attacker must move after attacking in order to obtain the protection from AoO's)
Malibu Trojan 06-28-05, 01:28 AM	Yes (and I think I see your confusion: unlike spring attack, ride-by does not have a stipulation that the attacker must move after attacking in order to obtain the protection from AoO's) Thanks for the help, Mr. Vincent in particular for being understanding ;)
Mahali Audran 06-29-05, 07:42 PM	So, with my feat, I provoke the AoO's when I charge head on against a creature with reach, but not if I charge as a ride-by? Why am I the only one who thinks this is weird? I'm not even attacking when the AoO is provoked, nor am I moving past them, which is what RbA really lets me do. Probably. You paid for a feat which has the limitation that you must be mounted.
Greyman 06-30-05, 07:50 AM	I have a character with the mount feats, including Ride-by-Attack. Normally if I charge a monster with reach, I provoke an attack of opportunity when I move adjacent to them (by leaving the outer square that they threaten). Ride-by-Attack says that I do not provoke any attacks of opportunity from the creature I charge. So with R-b-A, do I provoke AoO's from creatures (that I charge) with reach? Doesn't it seem silly if I don't provoke them when I ride-by but I do if I just plainly charge?By the way. The rider and mount both occupy a large space. Unless the creature had more than ten feet of reach, you wouldn't normally provoke an attack of opportunity when making a charge anyway. You wouldn't actually be leaving any threatened squares as you pass through the creature's reach. - horsie and rider - ogre - threatened space Approach --> Enter threat zone. Contact! Of course, having Ride-By-Attack makes this moot, but I just thought I'd point it out anyway.
Nom 06-30-05, 08:28 AM	By the way. The rider and mount both occupy a large space. Unless the creature had more than ten feet of reach, you wouldn't normally provoke an attack of opportunity when making a charge anyway. You wouldn't actually be leaving any threatened squares as you pass through the creature's reach.I disagree. In most situations, anything that one of your squares does is considered to be done by all of you.
Alsharad 06-30-05, 08:49 AM	I agree with everything else in this thread except for: Might seem silly, depends how you look at it. Ride-By is really just a mounted Spring Attack if you look at it closely. No, they are different. Ride-By is only usable during the charge action (which is a special full-round action). Spring attack allows you to move, make a standard attack, and then continue to move. You cannot charge and spring attack at the same time because they are two different types of actions. You CAN Ride-by and charge (in fact, it is the ONLY time that you can ride by).
Mahali Audran 06-30-05, 04:04 PM	Approach --> Enter threat zone. Contact! Of course, having Ride-By-Attack makes this moot, but I just thought I'd point it out anyway. Umm, right there... you just left a threatend space. The front 2 squares of the horse (and you) left the square 10' away from the ogre and moved into the square 5' away. Without a feat or tumble to prevent an AoO you just provoked.