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Averroes 10-05-07, 11:44 AM	Would this work. Paladin Charging on his Mount. Cast Rino's Rush, Smite, Powerattack, Divine Might Would this work? Rino's Rush is a swift action and the other actions are free actions. I'm wondering if this works, because he's doing like 80 something damage on non-crit charges. (This is with a powerattack of 7, with a two handed weapon, not a lance) Just seems really powerful, but I can't seem to find anything wrong with this. But its so much damage its offsetting out encounters.
Dog_O_War 10-05-07, 12:00 PM	It would work only if your DM allowed you to cast three quick spells in a round. Otherwise, no.
kjenks 10-05-07, 01:01 PM	Yes, it works fine. Add on Shock Trooper (Complete Warrior) for the Heedless Charge maneuver. And pick up a lance. You should be doing much more damage. Don't settle for a meager 80 HP. Paldin 7, Str 16, Cha 16, +1 lance: Attack bonus: +7 BAB (using Shock Trooper/Heedless Charge) +3 Str +1 enhancement +2 charging +3 Smite Evil === +15 attack Damage bonus: +14 Power Attack (using Shock Trooper/Heedless Charge) +5 Str +1 enhancement +7 Smite Evil +3 Divine Might === +30 damage Mounted lance charge (double damage) and Rhino's Rush (double damage): 3d8+90 Spirited Charge with lance (triple damage) and Rhino's Rush (double damage): 4d8+120
Averroes 10-05-07, 02:22 PM	Yes, it works fine. Add on Shock Trooper (Complete Warrior) for the Heedless Charge maneuver. And pick up a lance. You should be doing much more damage. Don't settle for a meager 80 HP. Paldin 7, Str 16, Cha 16, +1 lance: Attack bonus: +7 BAB (using Shock Trooper/Heedless Charge) +3 Str +1 enhancement +2 charging +3 Smite Evil === +15 attack Damage bonus: +14 Power Attack (using Shock Trooper/Heedless Charge) +5 Str +1 enhancement +7 Smite Evil +3 Divine Might === +30 damage Mounted lance charge (double damage) and Rhino's Rush (double damage): 3d8+90 Spirited Charge with lance (triple damage) and Rhino's Rush (double damage): 4d8+120 Ya that's what i thought. And no I wont tell him about your help. That's the last thing we need. Perhaps we should have more low ceilings and not let him use his mount for every single situation.
kjenks 10-05-07, 03:52 PM	Ya that's what i thought. And no I wont tell him about your help. That's the last thing we need. Perhaps we should have more low ceilings and not let him use his mount for every single situation. A mount is not useful in every situation, but when a mounted charge works, it can be devastating. There are many ways that creatures can spoil a mounted charge. - Kill the mount - Trip the mount - Kill the rider - Disarm the rider - Dismount the rider (using a Trip attack opposed by a Ride check) - Break line of sight - Impose difficult terrain or any other way to slow the mount's movement - Impose a creature - Impose a wall - Move beyond charge range - Move closer than charge range - Move around a "corner" - Ready an action to move out of harm's way And there are several ways to accomplish each one of those, like using a Disarm attack or a Grease spell to disarm the rider, or using Invisibility or Obscuring Mist to break line of sight. Any time an intelligent monster meets up with a mounted cavalry opponent, they should consider that opponent to be the most dangerous foe on the battlefield and take appropriate measures. (Unintelligent monsters deserve to get skewered.) Notice that I didn't mention grappling as an option there. The game mechanics of grappling make it almost impossible to grapple a rider or a mount because of the rules about entering an occupied square. The game mechanics of Improved Grab make it almost impossible to grab a rider from the mount because the usual way to unseat a rider is with a Trip attack, not a Grapple attack.
Rulebook 10-07-07, 07:24 AM	chargers are one of the worst things you can do with a mounted character its all about mounted archery. so wht if you hit less frequently and do less damage than a charger? you can skirmish tactic until the enemy is dead, and it works on vastly superior forces (something which SQUISH chargers quickly)
Stormbrand 10-07-07, 10:09 AM	It would work only if your DM allowed you to cast three quick spells in a round. Otherwise, no. Smite is not a spell, nor is Power Attack. Divine Might is either a free action or a swift action, Rhino Rush is a swift action - so I would assume Divine Might & Rhino Rush could not be used together, although either could be combined with both Power Attack & Smite on a charge. Of course, too much BAB on Power Attack risks wasting the charge which spends both a Smite and a spell.
Stormbrand 10-07-07, 10:19 AM	chargers are one of the worst things you can do with a mounted character its all about mounted archery. so wht if you hit less frequently and do less damage than a charger? you can skirmish tactic until the enemy is dead, and it works on vastly superior forces (something which SQUISH chargers quickly) Attrition is only an option under certain circumstances. Mounted archery cannot hold a strategic position. Vastly superior forces equipped with bows are just as deadly to a mounted archer (or his mount). If fighting a mounted archer, we just fire back from behind cover. Every tactic is limited. I think you are accustomed to inflexible foes, just be careful about victory disease and becoming inflexible yourself. Have a few back-up tactics in case.
kjenks 10-07-07, 10:31 AM	Of course, too much BAB on Power Attack risks wasting the charge which spends both a Smite and a spell. That's why a charging paladin should consider a one-level dip into wizard/diviner -- the True Strike spell more than offsets that Power Attack penalty to attack bonus. When the paladin can afford it, a Lesser Metamagic Rod of Quicken will let him cast his low-level buff spells as swift actions. The Shock Trooper feat also has a tactic, Heedless Charge, that avoids the Power Attack problem by putting the penalty on AC instead of attack rolls. AC matters much less after a Ride-by Attack.