Charging, Reach and AoO ??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Charging, Reach and AoO ??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
sir_argenon
07-19-05, 06:40 AM i know this may seem like a simple question to you Vets, but i'm not sure so i guess it's better to ask then to do it wrong!

Q: would a creature with 10' reach get an aoo against an opponent who is charging it, and passes thru one of the creature's threatened squares??
Captain Casualty
07-19-05, 06:56 AM Yes.

(a classic tactic is to make this attack a trip attack so the charge never concludes)
tarkin
07-19-05, 08:45 AM Agreed.

Charge does not protect you from AoO's, it just does not by itself cause an AoO.

Note, more often it is the other way around, the charger has a reach weapon.
sir_argenon
07-19-05, 04:40 PM Agreed.

Charge does not protect you from AoO's, it just does not by itself cause an AoO.

Note, more often it is the other way around, the charger has a reach weapon.

charging really sucks then if youre not mounted.. what purpose does it have?? :confused:
ATynam
07-19-05, 04:45 PM It gets even better.

There is a feat called "Hold the Line" that allows an AoO against a charging foe even if you aren't equipped with a reach weapon.

Originally in "Sword and Fist", and later in "FR: Shining South".
Finarin Panjoro
07-19-05, 06:54 PM Charging serves many purposes.

It may be the only way you can attack that round (if the target is more than a single move action away).

It can be a more powerful attack (+2 to hit can be +4 damage with a two-handed weapon and power attack).

It may allow you to make a melee attack in the surprise round (when you can't move AND attack normally).

If a foe with reach is flat-footed they can't take an AoO unless they have combat reflexes. So if you win initiative and they're more than a move action away charging will let you close to melee distance and attack before they can make any AoO.

If you're a rogue charging may allow you to make a melee sneak attack (if you win initiative but are more than a move away).

Like any other tactic charging has its time and place and other times when its not such a good idea. Charging a large creature who likes to trip is asking for trouble.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
sir_argenon 07-19-05, 06:40 AM	i know this may seem like a simple question to you Vets, but i'm not sure so i guess it's better to ask then to do it wrong! Q: would a creature with 10' reach get an aoo against an opponent who is charging it, and passes thru one of the creature's threatened squares??
Captain Casualty 07-19-05, 06:56 AM	Yes. (a classic tactic is to make this attack a trip attack so the charge never concludes)
tarkin 07-19-05, 08:45 AM	Agreed. Charge does not protect you from AoO's, it just does not by itself cause an AoO. Note, more often it is the other way around, the charger has a reach weapon.
sir_argenon 07-19-05, 04:40 PM	Agreed. Charge does not protect you from AoO's, it just does not by itself cause an AoO. Note, more often it is the other way around, the charger has a reach weapon. charging really sucks then if youre not mounted.. what purpose does it have?? :confused:
ATynam 07-19-05, 04:45 PM	It gets even better. There is a feat called "Hold the Line" that allows an AoO against a charging foe even if you aren't equipped with a reach weapon. Originally in "Sword and Fist", and later in "FR: Shining South".
Finarin Panjoro 07-19-05, 06:54 PM	Charging serves many purposes. It may be the only way you can attack that round (if the target is more than a single move action away). It can be a more powerful attack (+2 to hit can be +4 damage with a two-handed weapon and power attack). It may allow you to make a melee attack in the surprise round (when you can't move AND attack normally). If a foe with reach is flat-footed they can't take an AoO unless they have combat reflexes. So if you win initiative and they're more than a move action away charging will let you close to melee distance and attack before they can make any AoO. If you're a rogue charging may allow you to make a melee sneak attack (if you win initiative but are more than a move away). Like any other tactic charging has its time and place and other times when its not such a good idea. Charging a large creature who likes to trip is asking for trouble.