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Nova Fujit
04-10-07, 10:33 AM Ok this is a long running question in my group that we have taken to thinking how it works instead of actually trying to figure out via book...call us lazy but all remains.

A creature charging a person provokes no AoO to the person it charges.

If said creature charges through the threat range of another PC not the target of the charge does that provoke an AoO?

If before is true does a Large PC with a 10 foot reach receive an AoO from a medium sized creaturing charging it?

I don't have my books on me right now else I would try to find this out on my own instead of posting =D
Nova Fujit
04-10-07, 10:35 AM for that matter an AoO only refers to a Melee only attack correct no touch wands or such things that is held in hands can be used for the AoO right?
tarkin
04-10-07, 11:57 AM You have made an error.

Charging in and of itself does not provoke an AoO.

But it does not make you immune to any AoO's.

Specifically, a human charging an Ogre (creature has reach) will provoke an AoO from that Ogre for moving. This in in addition to provoking an AoO from the Ogre's buddy next to him.

Yes, I know this is not clear and the rules seem to say the opposite. But what I wrote is what they really said.

This has been confirmed by WoTC several places.

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You can use any attack that is already 'ready' to make an AoO.

That is, if last round you cast a Chill Touch spell, then this round you may use it to make an AoO.

You can not however use a wand that is in hand, because you must activate the wand, and therefore it is not 'ready'.

You also can not Quickdraw a weapon, nor can you move a weapon from one hand to a two handed grip.

It must be ready to attack already, with no additional actions at all (or even things that are not an action) neccessary.
reff42
04-10-07, 01:56 PM note that if you were to charge an ogre with a longspear (or any reach weapon) you would not provoke the AoO beacuse you stop at the first available spot to attack.

as normal- AoOs are caused by doing something distracting in a threatened square, or LEAVING a threatened square. The opponent could still use the 'ready' action to attack the charger as he enters the threatened square. (If I interpret the rules correctly, this also gives the 'readied' character first strike against the charger)
mvincent
04-10-07, 02:39 PM I know this is not clear Note that the AoO column in the Full-round action table (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#fullRoundActions) (i.e. the source of this confusion) actually has the following footnote:
"Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."

That seems fairly clear. Is this not in the original PHB?
Droma
04-10-07, 03:51 PM Note that the AoO column in the Full-round action table (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#fullRoundActions) (i.e. the source of this confusion) actually has the following footnote:
"Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."

That seems fairly clear. Is this not in the original PHB?

From my memory, yes its there. But the OP already said him and his friends were to lazy to read the book....
mvincent
04-10-07, 04:03 PM From my memory, yes its there.Cool. Thanks

But the OP already said him and his friends were to lazy to read the book....I was curious in regard to it's clarity in general, rather than specific to the OP.
1hitparry
04-10-07, 07:14 PM You also can not Quickdraw a weapon, nor can you move a weapon from one hand to a two handed grip.

It must be ready to attack already, with no additional actions at all (or even things that are not an action) neccessary.

Where does it say this? My friend has a character that does this, or plans to anyway, so it would be nice to have a reference.
mvincent
04-10-07, 07:21 PM Where does it say this? here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/attacksOfOpportunity.htm#threatenedSquar es):
"You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your action. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you’re unarmed, you don’t normally threaten any squares and thus can’t make attacks of opportunity."

Also, you cannot performs most actions when it is not your turn (like draw a weapon, switch hands, etc.).

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Nova Fujit 04-10-07, 10:33 AM	Ok this is a long running question in my group that we have taken to thinking how it works instead of actually trying to figure out via book...call us lazy but all remains. A creature charging a person provokes no AoO to the person it charges. If said creature charges through the threat range of another PC not the target of the charge does that provoke an AoO? If before is true does a Large PC with a 10 foot reach receive an AoO from a medium sized creaturing charging it? I don't have my books on me right now else I would try to find this out on my own instead of posting =D
Nova Fujit 04-10-07, 10:35 AM	for that matter an AoO only refers to a Melee only attack correct no touch wands or such things that is held in hands can be used for the AoO right?
tarkin 04-10-07, 11:57 AM	You have made an error. Charging in and of itself does not provoke an AoO. But it does not make you immune to any AoO's. Specifically, a human charging an Ogre (creature has reach) will provoke an AoO from that Ogre for moving. This in in addition to provoking an AoO from the Ogre's buddy next to him. Yes, I know this is not clear and the rules seem to say the opposite. But what I wrote is what they really said. This has been confirmed by WoTC several places. ---------------------- You can use any attack that is already 'ready' to make an AoO. That is, if last round you cast a Chill Touch spell, then this round you may use it to make an AoO. You can not however use a wand that is in hand, because you must activate the wand, and therefore it is not 'ready'. You also can not Quickdraw a weapon, nor can you move a weapon from one hand to a two handed grip. It must be ready to attack already, with no additional actions at all (or even things that are not an action) neccessary.
reff42 04-10-07, 01:56 PM	note that if you were to charge an ogre with a longspear (or any reach weapon) you would not provoke the AoO beacuse you stop at the first available spot to attack. as normal- AoOs are caused by doing something distracting in a threatened square, or LEAVING a threatened square. The opponent could still use the 'ready' action to attack the charger as he enters the threatened square. (If I interpret the rules correctly, this also gives the 'readied' character first strike against the charger)
mvincent 04-10-07, 02:39 PM	I know this is not clear Note that the AoO column in the Full-round action table (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#fullRoundActions) (i.e. the source of this confusion) actually has the following footnote: "Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity." That seems fairly clear. Is this not in the original PHB?
Droma 04-10-07, 03:51 PM	Note that the AoO column in the Full-round action table (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#fullRoundActions) (i.e. the source of this confusion) actually has the following footnote: "Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity." That seems fairly clear. Is this not in the original PHB? From my memory, yes its there. But the OP already said him and his friends were to lazy to read the book....
mvincent 04-10-07, 04:03 PM	From my memory, yes its there.Cool. Thanks But the OP already said him and his friends were to lazy to read the book....I was curious in regard to it's clarity in general, rather than specific to the OP.
1hitparry 04-10-07, 07:14 PM	You also can not Quickdraw a weapon, nor can you move a weapon from one hand to a two handed grip. It must be ready to attack already, with no additional actions at all (or even things that are not an action) neccessary. Where does it say this? My friend has a character that does this, or plans to anyway, so it would be nice to have a reference.
mvincent 04-10-07, 07:21 PM	Where does it say this? here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/attacksOfOpportunity.htm#threatenedSquar es): "You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your action. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you’re unarmed, you don’t normally threaten any squares and thus can’t make attacks of opportunity." Also, you cannot performs most actions when it is not your turn (like draw a weapon, switch hands, etc.).