Clarification on a light armor for casters. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Clarification on a light armor for casters. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Sevash
02-07-08, 07:14 PM Okay. I think I may have done this right, and stumbled across a combination of non-magical armor properties that will net a +6 armor bonus without any ASF or ACP. If this has already been done before...my bad, just looking for some clarification. If not, then I thought I'd give a heads-up.

My thoughts were that by combining a thistledown suit from Races of the Wild with a suit of mithral chain, you would come out with a net 0 armor check penalty. However, I'm not sure. Would they both have that simultaneous effect, or would you apply the properties of the mithral before those of the thistledown, making it ACP -1 overall?

Either way, this leaves you with a 5% ASF. Apply the feycraft or githcraft template to the chain shirt along with mithral dastana and chahar-aina, and you should be fine and dandy--without any magical addendums whatsoever. Am I wrong on this?
dman11235
02-08-08, 12:24 AM Why should it matter? It's straight addition. The result should be the same.

Also: Mythral Twilight chain shirt (+1). ASF 0%.
Sevash
02-08-08, 02:09 AM Just checking. Wasn't sure whether you lump it all together, or take the bonuses one at a time.

Also, +1 Twilight Mithral Shirt = 5,100 gp.
Githcraft Mithral Shirt w/ Thistledown = 1,900 gp.

Both armors have 0 ACP and ASF, but one requires magic to make it work and is over twice as expensive. With that extra money, you can buy mithral dastana and chahar-aina to add another +2 to your AC. More for less. Feycraft would work just as well as far as ASF and costs 100 gp less, but with the Githcraft you get a +1 unnamed bonus to Concentration (as opposed to a +1 to Bluff in when lying).

Hell, make the dastana and chahar-aina githcraft. Why not? I'll take bonuses to Concentration checks, especially if I'm worried about not having ASF.

So, Githcraft Mithral Shirt w/ Thistledown, Gifthcraft Mithral Dastana, & Githcraft Mithral Chahar-Aina gives 1 more point to AC and a +3 unnamed bonus to Concentration checks without relying on magical augmentation--all for 5,200 gp, just 100 gp more than the recommended suit.

THAT'S what I was getting at.
dman11235
02-08-08, 12:10 PM 13th post (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=987391) talks about full plate with 0% ASF.
Legdiwena
02-08-08, 04:11 PM Can thistledown be applied to metal armor?
dman11235
02-08-08, 06:47 PM Thistledown can be applied to padded armor, or you can get a thistledown suit, which you wear under your armor. It's in RotW.
Legdiwena
02-11-08, 10:16 AM Aye, but above someone referred to a mithral armor with thistledown. Why I was wondering if it worked with metal armor or not.
AtsuiShoto
02-11-08, 10:35 AM Thistledown is not a property of armor, it's a style of body suit worn UNDEr armor, and as such it can be used with any type of armor. The single exception is Padded armor, but it can be made into a thistledown suit to gain the -5% ASF and keep the armor's +1 AC. I would personally not allow a thistledown suit to have any positive impact on any sort of "soft" armor, like those Gnomish armors in Races of Stone: "Twist Cloth" and the "Battle Cloak".
Legdiwena
02-11-08, 10:37 AM You said it's in RotW? I need to go digging through it to look at that.
sakuradm
02-13-08, 04:09 PM yes, thistledown can be applied to really any metal armour... all it is is a quilted padding shirt to be worn under armour...my character wears elven chain (mithril chain)...the use of thistledown will prevent non-lethal damage from an attack that doesnt penetrate the armour or skin...

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Sevash 02-07-08, 07:14 PM	Okay. I think I may have done this right, and stumbled across a combination of non-magical armor properties that will net a +6 armor bonus without any ASF or ACP. If this has already been done before...my bad, just looking for some clarification. If not, then I thought I'd give a heads-up. My thoughts were that by combining a thistledown suit from Races of the Wild with a suit of mithral chain, you would come out with a net 0 armor check penalty. However, I'm not sure. Would they both have that simultaneous effect, or would you apply the properties of the mithral before those of the thistledown, making it ACP -1 overall? Either way, this leaves you with a 5% ASF. Apply the feycraft or githcraft template to the chain shirt along with mithral dastana and chahar-aina, and you should be fine and dandy--without any magical addendums whatsoever. Am I wrong on this?
dman11235 02-08-08, 12:24 AM	Why should it matter? It's straight addition. The result should be the same. Also: Mythral Twilight chain shirt (+1). ASF 0%.
Sevash 02-08-08, 02:09 AM	Just checking. Wasn't sure whether you lump it all together, or take the bonuses one at a time. Also, +1 Twilight Mithral Shirt = 5,100 gp. Githcraft Mithral Shirt w/ Thistledown = 1,900 gp. Both armors have 0 ACP and ASF, but one requires magic to make it work and is over twice as expensive. With that extra money, you can buy mithral dastana and chahar-aina to add another +2 to your AC. More for less. Feycraft would work just as well as far as ASF and costs 100 gp less, but with the Githcraft you get a +1 unnamed bonus to Concentration (as opposed to a +1 to Bluff in when lying). Hell, make the dastana and chahar-aina githcraft. Why not? I'll take bonuses to Concentration checks, especially if I'm worried about not having ASF. So, Githcraft Mithral Shirt w/ Thistledown, Gifthcraft Mithral Dastana, & Githcraft Mithral Chahar-Aina gives 1 more point to AC and a +3 unnamed bonus to Concentration checks without relying on magical augmentation--all for 5,200 gp, just 100 gp more than the recommended suit. THAT'S what I was getting at.
dman11235 02-08-08, 12:10 PM	13th post (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=987391) talks about full plate with 0% ASF.
Legdiwena 02-08-08, 04:11 PM	Can thistledown be applied to metal armor?
dman11235 02-08-08, 06:47 PM	Thistledown can be applied to padded armor, or you can get a thistledown suit, which you wear under your armor. It's in RotW.
Legdiwena 02-11-08, 10:16 AM	Aye, but above someone referred to a mithral armor with thistledown. Why I was wondering if it worked with metal armor or not.
AtsuiShoto 02-11-08, 10:35 AM	Thistledown is not a property of armor, it's a style of body suit worn UNDEr armor, and as such it can be used with any type of armor. The single exception is Padded armor, but it can be made into a thistledown suit to gain the -5% ASF and keep the armor's +1 AC. I would personally not allow a thistledown suit to have any positive impact on any sort of "soft" armor, like those Gnomish armors in Races of Stone: "Twist Cloth" and the "Battle Cloak".
Legdiwena 02-11-08, 10:37 AM	You said it's in RotW? I need to go digging through it to look at that.
sakuradm 02-13-08, 04:09 PM	yes, thistledown can be applied to really any metal armour... all it is is a quilted padding shirt to be worn under armour...my character wears elven chain (mithril chain)...the use of thistledown will prevent non-lethal damage from an attack that doesnt penetrate the armour or skin...