Combining armor [Archive] - Wizards Community

Combining armor [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MasterRookie
09-17-05, 01:17 PM If one were to combine two types of armor what would the result be. For example supose someone were to wear leather or studed leather armor over chainmail. Or leather/studed leather armor over a chain shirt. One can assume the AC and weight are added together. But what about check penaltys and maximum dexterity how is that calculated.
colyn kell
09-17-05, 01:20 PM The result would be the armor bonus of whichever is higher, ans the ACP of both, and the other restrictions of both....Kinda sucks...
MasterRookie
09-17-05, 01:27 PM That doesn't seem very logical. Well in some cases I guess, but in other situations two types of armor can fill in gaps in defense Not to mention reduce flesh wounds. Is that the only rule for this that exists for this.
chronocrosselite
09-17-05, 02:32 PM i read rules for armor that is pieced together from different armors but i cant remember where i seen them, may have been houserules. maybe someone here knows?
Tyler Do'Urden
09-17-05, 02:57 PM A suit of armor as described in D&D isn't just one piece or one layer. It looks like it's just a chain shirt, but the stats for "chain shirt" include the padding you should be wearing underneath it. Full plate includes the layer of leather to which the plates are attached and (as always) the padding that goes underneath it.

Your best bet is to just create a new armor type. Call it "leather and chain" or something. "This chain shirt is reinforced with hardened leather plates." Start with a chain shirt, increase the armor bonus and armor check penalty by 1.
High Octane
09-17-05, 03:58 PM As said before, armor consists of more than one type of material. For example the chinmail most likely includes a layer of padded or light leather armor under chain links. Breastplate is illustrated as basically leather armor with certain vital areas covered in metal plates.

Stacking armors is thus left illogical. And by the way, if you worse so much as 2 leather armors, you would be basically unable to move. Try wearing a suit of hockey gear on top of a suit of football gear and see how well you can dance.
MasterRookie
09-17-05, 04:18 PM A suit of armor as described in D&D isn't just one piece or one layer. It looks like it's just a chain shirt, but the stats for "chain shirt" include the padding you should be wearing underneath it. Full plate includes the layer of leather to which the plates are attached and (as always) the padding that goes underneath it.

Your best bet is to just create a new armor type. Call it "leather and chain" or something. "This chain shirt is reinforced with hardened leather plates." Start with a chain shirt, increase the armor bonus and armor check penalty by 1.

Thats exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of. but rather its leather armor with chain added underneate the flexible areas and weak points rather then just flexible leather, the chain would take up about he same amount of chain it takes to create a chain shirt, thus allowing for a higher bonus.

As said before, armor consists of more than one type of material. For example the chinmail most likely includes a layer of padded or light leather armor under chain links. Breastplate is illustrated as basically leather armor with certain vital areas covered in metal plates.

Stacking armors is thus left illogical. And by the way, if you worse so much as 2 leather armors, you would be basically unable to move. Try wearing a suit of hockey gear on top of a suit of football gear and see how well you can dance.

This goes back to my point. Supose instead of using leather armor to cover vital areas you removed the leather and add a chain shirt and skirt. Supose when wearing leather armor rather then covering joints with flimsy soft leather you instead use chain.

Naturally you wouldn't wear two leather armors.
howlingwolf
09-17-05, 04:25 PM Back in 2nd Edition Darksun, there were piecemeal armour rules, with a helpful little table stating how much each part of whatever armour was worth AC wise.

Can't remember exactly which book though, just that it was one of the core books from the boxed set. :weep:
Tyler Do'Urden
09-17-05, 05:11 PM Back in 2nd Edition Darksun, there were piecemeal armour rules, with a helpful little table stating how much each part of whatever armour was worth AC wise.

Yeah, but realize that in 2nd edition, how effective armor was depended on the type of damage you were taking. Chainmail was good against slashing, padded was good against bludgeoning, etc. You needed to mix armors to survive. Realistic, but complicated.

It's not really necessary because 3e generalized armor and damage.
MasterRookie
09-17-05, 08:11 PM It does make for good looting. Supose your chain mail wearing PC kills a guard with a breastplait now he can boost his AC by just taking the actual plates and putting them on over his chain mail.
FlameLover
09-17-05, 08:25 PM Checkout this thread for some ideas (And my own little system too):
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7277579#post7277579
Kursk
09-18-05, 11:23 AM If one were to combine two types of armor what would the result be. For example supose someone were to wear leather or studed leather armor over chainmail. Or leather/studed leather armor over a chain shirt. One can assume the AC and weight are added together. But what about check penaltys and maximum dexterity how is that calculated.

An immobile warrior?
tarkin
09-18-05, 01:04 PM 1) Oriental Adventures has a system to do this in 3.0

2) In the game, the "higher" versions of armor are SUPPOSED to already represent this. I.E If you have Full platemail, you are supposed to basically have padded leather on underneath it. If you have "1/2 plate", you should have some chainmail in the spots not covered by the plate mail. If you have BreastPlate, you have leather over the rest of the body, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Ront Iron-Roar
09-18-05, 01:35 PM All this talk on mismatching armor does remind of a certain character from Magic. Remember Kamahl's armor? It was like Big red half-plate over most of his chest and one arm. Studded leather put over his swordarm and a skirt of scalemail around his legs?

Would that be a type of piecemail?
FlameLover
09-18-05, 05:55 PM It would indeed. I'm still revising a suitable system for this though. I have one which allows you to have different arms, legs and chest armors but now need to pslit up the arm and leg ones so you can have different armor on each appendage...

If they do revise D&D later on i would like to see armors re-worked to be piecemail from the get-go. They could include some standard suits ofcourse but i just feel that atm the armor buisness is lacking.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MasterRookie 09-17-05, 01:17 PM	If one were to combine two types of armor what would the result be. For example supose someone were to wear leather or studed leather armor over chainmail. Or leather/studed leather armor over a chain shirt. One can assume the AC and weight are added together. But what about check penaltys and maximum dexterity how is that calculated.
colyn kell 09-17-05, 01:20 PM	The result would be the armor bonus of whichever is higher, ans the ACP of both, and the other restrictions of both....Kinda sucks...
MasterRookie 09-17-05, 01:27 PM	That doesn't seem very logical. Well in some cases I guess, but in other situations two types of armor can fill in gaps in defense Not to mention reduce flesh wounds. Is that the only rule for this that exists for this.
chronocrosselite 09-17-05, 02:32 PM	i read rules for armor that is pieced together from different armors but i cant remember where i seen them, may have been houserules. maybe someone here knows?
Tyler Do'Urden 09-17-05, 02:57 PM	A suit of armor as described in D&D isn't just one piece or one layer. It looks like it's just a chain shirt, but the stats for "chain shirt" include the padding you should be wearing underneath it. Full plate includes the layer of leather to which the plates are attached and (as always) the padding that goes underneath it. Your best bet is to just create a new armor type. Call it "leather and chain" or something. "This chain shirt is reinforced with hardened leather plates." Start with a chain shirt, increase the armor bonus and armor check penalty by 1.
High Octane 09-17-05, 03:58 PM	As said before, armor consists of more than one type of material. For example the chinmail most likely includes a layer of padded or light leather armor under chain links. Breastplate is illustrated as basically leather armor with certain vital areas covered in metal plates. Stacking armors is thus left illogical. And by the way, if you worse so much as 2 leather armors, you would be basically unable to move. Try wearing a suit of hockey gear on top of a suit of football gear and see how well you can dance.
MasterRookie 09-17-05, 04:18 PM	A suit of armor as described in D&D isn't just one piece or one layer. It looks like it's just a chain shirt, but the stats for "chain shirt" include the padding you should be wearing underneath it. Full plate includes the layer of leather to which the plates are attached and (as always) the padding that goes underneath it. Your best bet is to just create a new armor type. Call it "leather and chain" or something. "This chain shirt is reinforced with hardened leather plates." Start with a chain shirt, increase the armor bonus and armor check penalty by 1. Thats exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of. but rather its leather armor with chain added underneate the flexible areas and weak points rather then just flexible leather, the chain would take up about he same amount of chain it takes to create a chain shirt, thus allowing for a higher bonus. As said before, armor consists of more than one type of material. For example the chinmail most likely includes a layer of padded or light leather armor under chain links. Breastplate is illustrated as basically leather armor with certain vital areas covered in metal plates. Stacking armors is thus left illogical. And by the way, if you worse so much as 2 leather armors, you would be basically unable to move. Try wearing a suit of hockey gear on top of a suit of football gear and see how well you can dance. This goes back to my point. Supose instead of using leather armor to cover vital areas you removed the leather and add a chain shirt and skirt. Supose when wearing leather armor rather then covering joints with flimsy soft leather you instead use chain. Naturally you wouldn't wear two leather armors.
howlingwolf 09-17-05, 04:25 PM	Back in 2nd Edition Darksun, there were piecemeal armour rules, with a helpful little table stating how much each part of whatever armour was worth AC wise. Can't remember exactly which book though, just that it was one of the core books from the boxed set. :weep:
Tyler Do'Urden 09-17-05, 05:11 PM	Back in 2nd Edition Darksun, there were piecemeal armour rules, with a helpful little table stating how much each part of whatever armour was worth AC wise. Yeah, but realize that in 2nd edition, how effective armor was depended on the type of damage you were taking. Chainmail was good against slashing, padded was good against bludgeoning, etc. You needed to mix armors to survive. Realistic, but complicated. It's not really necessary because 3e generalized armor and damage.
MasterRookie 09-17-05, 08:11 PM	It does make for good looting. Supose your chain mail wearing PC kills a guard with a breastplait now he can boost his AC by just taking the actual plates and putting them on over his chain mail.
FlameLover 09-17-05, 08:25 PM	Checkout this thread for some ideas (And my own little system too): http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7277579#post7277579
Kursk 09-18-05, 11:23 AM	If one were to combine two types of armor what would the result be. For example supose someone were to wear leather or studed leather armor over chainmail. Or leather/studed leather armor over a chain shirt. One can assume the AC and weight are added together. But what about check penaltys and maximum dexterity how is that calculated. An immobile warrior?
tarkin 09-18-05, 01:04 PM	1) Oriental Adventures has a system to do this in 3.0 2) In the game, the "higher" versions of armor are SUPPOSED to already represent this. I.E If you have Full platemail, you are supposed to basically have padded leather on underneath it. If you have "1/2 plate", you should have some chainmail in the spots not covered by the plate mail. If you have BreastPlate, you have leather over the rest of the body, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Ront Iron-Roar 09-18-05, 01:35 PM	All this talk on mismatching armor does remind of a certain character from Magic. Remember Kamahl's armor? It was like Big red half-plate over most of his chest and one arm. Studded leather put over his swordarm and a skirt of scalemail around his legs? Would that be a type of piecemail?
FlameLover 09-18-05, 05:55 PM	It would indeed. I'm still revising a suitable system for this though. I have one which allows you to have different arms, legs and chest armors but now need to pslit up the arm and leg ones so you can have different armor on each appendage... If they do revise D&D later on i would like to see armors re-worked to be piecemail from the get-go. They could include some standard suits ofcourse but i just feel that atm the armor buisness is lacking.