Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Sundancer75 04-27-05, 01:14 PM	Player attacks monster (AC 11) Player rolls 20 on a d20 (critical possibility) Player then rolls a 1 to confirm the critical Does a 1 on a critical confirmation constitute an automatic miss? I know on an attack and saving throw it does, but I'm having difficulty figuring it out for a critical confirmation. What do you think?
Insane Pixie 04-27-05, 01:32 PM	Player attacks monster (AC 11) Player rolls 20 on a d20 (critical possibility) Player then rolls a 1 to confirm the critical Does a 1 on a critical confirmation constitute an automatic miss? I know on an attack and saving throw it does, but I'm having difficulty figuring it out for a critical confirmation. What do you think? If you roll a 20, you automatically hit. If you roll a 1, you automatically miss. If you roll a 20, and then a 1, you hit, but not for critical.
Sundancer75 04-27-05, 01:36 PM	If you roll a 20, you automatically hit. If you roll a 1, you automatically hit. If you roll a 20, and then a 1, you hit, but not for critical. I think you meant a miss for the send line... So the confirmation of critical uses the same rules as a normal attack then... ok
Zherog 04-27-05, 02:56 PM	Correct - rolling a 1 on the confirmation of crit means it's not a crit, but is still a hit.
Insane Pixie 04-27-05, 03:05 PM	Thank you for catching that! Edit time!
VanRiper 04-27-05, 03:49 PM	Speaking of critical hits... One of my characters has a +4 longbow with the shocking burst ability. Now, on a critical hit, do I add 3d6 (since the 1d6 shock is done 3 times) + 2d10 for all the electrical damage or just 1d6 + 2d10? Now I read this in the SRD: "A critical hit means that you roll your damage more than once, with all your usual bonuses, and add the rolls together. Unless otherwise specified, the threat range for a critical hit on an attack roll is 20, and the multiplier is x2. Exception: Extra damage over and above a weapon’s normal damage is not multiplied when you score a critical hit." I took the exception to mean sneak attack damage and not the +1d6 shock damage since the shock is part of this weapon's "normal" damage. Is that correct?
Sundancer75 04-27-05, 04:01 PM	Exception: Extra damage over and above a weapon’s normal damage is not multiplied when you score a critical hit." Sneak attack damage and special damage like shocking, flaming, frost, etc are not multiplied.
Derren S. 04-27-05, 04:10 PM	Rule of the dumb: When the extra damage comes from rolling additional dice it is not multiplied. When it is a fixed amount then it is.
chocobochicken 04-27-05, 04:22 PM	Besides, crackling sparks of electricity that flow around a bladed weapon isn't exactly what I'd consider "normal." ;)
Insane Pixie 04-27-05, 04:28 PM	Speaking of critical hits... One of my characters has a +4 longbow with the shocking burst ability. Now, on a critical hit, do I add 3d6 (since the 1d6 shock is done 3 times) + 2d10 for all the electrical damage or just 1d6 + 2d10? Now I read this in the SRD: "A critical hit means that you roll your damage more than once, with all your usual bonuses, and add the rolls together. Unless otherwise specified, the threat range for a critical hit on an attack roll is 20, and the multiplier is x2. Exception: Extra damage over and above a weapon’s normal damage is not multiplied when you score a critical hit." I took the exception to mean sneak attack damage and not the +1d6 shock damage since the shock is part of this weapon's "normal" damage. Is that correct? It would do 1d6 + 1d6 on a regular hit, but 1d6 + 2d10 on a crit.
MysticTraveler 04-27-05, 05:19 PM	I think it would rather do 1d6 [electricity] + 1d8+4 [piercing] damage normally, or 1d6 [electricity] + 3d8+4 [piercing] damage on a critical hit, right? Not sure where you guys got the 2d10 from?
Zherog 04-27-05, 05:25 PM	The 2d10 comes from the Burst part of the ability.
Cog 04-28-05, 12:18 AM	On a critical you will do 3d8 (longbow damage x 3 crit multiplier) + 12 (+4 bow enhancement x 3 crit multiplier) + 2d10 (flame burst critical damage).
Nom 04-28-05, 01:41 AM	+1d6 from shocking. You will notice that the burst damage is "in addition to" the normal elemental damage. So a critical from a shocking burst longbow + 4 is 1d8+4 + 1d8+4 + 1d8+4 (or 3d8+12) from the critical + 1d6 electrical + 2d10 electrical (burst).
MysticTraveler 04-28-05, 08:23 AM	The 2d10 comes from the Burst part of the ability. Aha, missed the word "burst" thanks. :) Cog & Nom - You know, I thought you only apply bonus damage once regardless of critical hit or otherwise. But you're right, I just checked the PHB, the damage mod applies to each roll, thanks! (argh, my DM's been cheating us!)
chocobochicken 04-28-05, 08:23 AM	Yep. The normal 1d6 electricity damage is not multiplied, but neither is it replaced. And any bonus damage not in the form of dice is multiplied. So if you're a 10th-level 14 Str paladin smiting evil with a two-handed +2 lance while riding a mount with Spirited Charge and investing 5 points into Power Attack -- and you critical hit! -- your damage would be (1d8+3+2+10+10)x6, or 6d8+150! :D
Cog 04-28-05, 10:10 AM	+1d6 from shocking. You will notice that the burst damage is "in addition to" the normal elemental damage. So a critical from a shocking burst longbow + 4 is 1d8+4 + 1d8+4 + 1d8+4 (or 3d8+12) from the critical + 1d6 electrical + 2d10 electrical (burst). I knew I forgot something...
VanRiper 04-28-05, 12:51 PM	Thanks everyone :)