Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Norseman 02-15-05, 02:14 AM	Let's say you're a level 1 fighter with a scimatar facing another level 1 fighter in full-plate and with a large shield. He's got an AC of 20, you've got an attack bonus of +1. The only numbers you can roll to hit the armor guy are 19 and 20. So, if you roll an 18, since you're using a scimatar, do you get to check to see if you critical'd with a second roll to beat his AC, or did you miss already? Thanks in advance.
The Morninglord 02-15-05, 02:24 AM	In order to get a critical hit, you actually have to hit. Thus having a weapon which gives you a threat (possible critical) of 18-20 doesn't help you if you need a 20 to hit your opponent anyway. A 20, however, is always a hit, so if you get two twenties in a row you have gotten a critical hit no matter what the AC of the opponent.
Balthezar BlackSword 02-15-05, 02:31 AM	Ok, so I rolled an 18 and the roll to confirm is a total 17, so it's not confirmed and missed the hit? What if I rolled a natural 20! and the roll to confirm is a 15, I didn't confirmed the critical but, did I hit for the first 20??
Egres 02-15-05, 04:29 AM	What if I rolled a natural 20! and the roll to confirm is a 15, I didn't confirmed the critical but, did I hit for the first 20?? Yes, of course.
Derren S. 02-15-05, 04:46 AM	Ok, so I rolled an 18 and the roll to confirm is a total 17, so it's not confirmed and missed the hit? You don't even have to roll a confirmation roll as a 18 doesn't hit. When the original attack doesn't hit, it can't become a critical hit. Logical, or? What if I rolled a natural 20! and the roll to confirm is a 15, I didn't confirmed the critical but, did I hit for the first 20?? Yes. A 20 is always a hit. even if the enemy has an AC of 60, a 20 is a hit.
Keoki 02-15-05, 04:58 AM	In order to get a critical hit, you actually have to hit. Thus having a weapon which gives you a threat (possible critical) of 18-20 doesn't help you if you need a 20 to hit your opponent anyway. A 20, however, is always a hit, so if you get two twenties in a row you have gotten a critical hit no matter what the AC of the opponent. If you happen to be using the optional Instant Kill rules from the DMG, two 20s in a row qualifies for this too.
J Milburn 02-15-05, 07:24 AM	When it says 2 20s in the players handbook, i always interpretted it as meaning criticals. It says that, dosent it? Seems i have been playing completel wrong for a long time.
Derren S. 02-15-05, 07:48 AM	No, its two natural 20 in a row + confirmation roll.
Santrilla 02-15-05, 08:13 AM	As I understand it: Your weapon has a crit range of 18-20. That means on the first roll, if you get 18, 19 or 20, that's a critical hit. And that _will_ hit, regardless of AC. Second roll is a confirmation roll. For the second roll you need to beat his armor class to score a critical hit. If you beat his armor class, yay, double damage. If you don't, you've still hit, but you haven't critically hit. Is this right?
Derren S. 02-15-05, 08:19 AM	No. Only a 20 is a automatic hit. A 18 or 19, while still beeing in the threat range of the weapon, must hit the AC normally. The second part is right.
Nom 02-15-05, 11:57 PM	No. Only a 20 is a automatic hit. A 18 or 19, while still beeing in the threat range of the weapon, must hit the AC normally.See PH pg 140. Derren is right, but it's helpful to know where the rules say it, not just what Derren thinks.
Rulebook 02-16-05, 02:16 AM	if your crit range was an automatic hit range, nobody would ever use anything but rapiers, scimitars, and falchions because they'd keen em and make 15-20 auto hits. see how silly that sounds? only 20's are auto hits. hitting within your crit range gives a crit.