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wizardbuyer 11-04-06, 09:01 PM	Question: A cold creature swings with a melee hit of 35 using a natural weapon missing my cleric's ac of 43 but would beat his melee touch of 23. Opinion: I think if creature scores a successful melee touch against a character while trying to hit, the holy touch and contact ravage the character applied to the armor should work, but the fire shield will not until the creature "hits". Background: 1. saint template with holy touch on Saint Template (Page 29, 184-186 in Book of Exalted Deeds) "Holy Touch: A saint's melee attacks with any weapon (or unarmed) deal an additional 1d6 points of holy damage against evil creatures and 1d8 points against evil undead and evil outsiders. Any evil creature that strikes a saint with a natural weapon takes holy damage as if hit by the saint's attack." 2. contact ravage on body/armor "Contact: Merely touching this type of poison necessitates a saving throw. It can be actively delivered via a weapon or a touch attack. Even if a creature has sufficient damage reduction to avoid taking any damage from the attack, the poison can still affect it. A chest or other object can be smeared with contact poison as part of a trap." http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_poison&alpha= A ravage is like a poison from Book of Exalted Deeds page 34 and 35. Touch of golden ice is from Book of Exalted Deeds page 37. 3. fire shield "Any creature striking you with its body or a handheld weapon deals normal damage, but at the same time the attacker takes 1d6 points of damage +1 point per caster level (maximum +15). " http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fireShield.htm More than most of you needed, but just to be sure.;) Thanks, Steve
runestar 11-04-06, 09:12 PM	If you use ravages in conjunction with your unarmed attack, both will miss if you miss on your attack roll, not touch attack roll. If you want to hit on a touch attack, you will have to forgo your normal unarmed strike and make just a touch attack instead. Both will either hit or miss together. No way of weaseling around it. It's one or the other.
wizardbuyer 11-05-06, 11:51 AM	You are correct, but the cleric is not doing the attacking. The cleric is the saint with the ravage on his armor. If he is attacked by a creature that can touch him but not "hit" him should not the holy touch and the contact ravage work.
wizardbuyer 11-05-06, 12:07 PM	dup