Cost for a Metamagic Feat Rod: [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cost for a Metamagic Feat Rod: [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dannar
09-15-07, 04:28 AM It's not listed in the DMG,

I was wondering what it would cost to create or buy a Greater Metamagic Rod that gives the Persistent Spell Feat 3x a day.

I've been trying to figure it out based on the cost of a Greater Quicken Spell Metamagic Rod (170,000 for 4 slot increase, so a 6 slot increase would be somewhere between 350,000 500,000?)
The_Unseen_Illusion
09-15-07, 04:29 AM Ohoho, i can see this becomming broken
Dannar
09-15-07, 04:30 AM Ohoho, i can see this becomming broken

What just because I want to make Shapechange last for 24 hours...
The_Unseen_Illusion
09-15-07, 04:48 AM along wtih sphere of ultimate destruction, greater blink, superior invisibility, add in greater dimension jump for some flavor....
Dannar
09-15-07, 04:49 AM along wtih sphere of ultimate destruction, greater blink, superior invisibility, add in greater dimension jump for some flavor....

of course...
Merestil Haye
09-15-07, 06:29 AM I remember going through the exercise of pricing up the rod once on these boards. IIRC, the price for the greater Rod came out at 730k.

I extrapolated it by comparing the cost of core Rods to find out what doubling the level increase of the feat did and tripling the level increase, then multiplying those two factors. That gave me a baseline for a +6 increase rod. I then doubled that, on the basis that rods of non-Core feats in CArc were twice the price of equivalent rods of Core feats (for example, Chain Spell rods were exactly twice the price of Maximise Spell, even though both feats require a spell slot three levels higher. The MIC removed that factor; I'm still thinking about how to readjust the prices because I think 315k is too cheap. (I was quite happy with 730k iirc; that pitches the Rod at about 29th level play. My gut feeling is that 315k is too low a price as the item should not be affordable to 23rd level characters.)
Dannar
09-16-07, 02:47 AM I remember going through the exercise of pricing up the rod once on these boards. IIRC, the price for the greater Rod came out at 730k.

I extrapolated it by comparing the cost of core Rods to find out what doubling the level increase of the feat did and tripling the level increase, then multiplying those two factors. That gave me a baseline for a +6 increase rod. I then doubled that, on the basis that rods of non-Core feats in CArc were twice the price of equivalent rods of Core feats (for example, Chain Spell rods were exactly twice the price of Maximise Spell, even though both feats require a spell slot three levels higher. The MIC removed that factor; I'm still thinking about how to readjust the prices because I think 315k is too cheap. (I was quite happy with 730k iirc; that pitches the Rod at about 29th level play. My gut feeling is that 315k is too low a price as the item should not be affordable to 23rd level characters.)

I'm assuming most people agree 315k is too cheap? As a 10th level character, stored wealth is at about 60k. Three to Four more levels of adventuring and saving up could reach the 315 mark, or I could go ahead and turn myself into a lich... :-)
Merestil Haye
09-16-07, 06:29 AM I'm assuming most people agree 315k is too cheap? As a 10th level character, stored wealth is at about 60k. Three to Four more levels of adventuring and saving up could reach the 315 mark, or I could go ahead and turn myself into a lich... :-)I still assess the viability of an item by comparing it to the wealth-by-level table on page 135 of the DMG, as extended by the epic character wealth table (which goes up to 40th).

If I say an item is "affordable" for a character of a given level, I mean that 4 times the cost of the item is less than the wealth guideline for the next level up. Thus an item affordable for a 14th level character costs less than 50,000gp (for example).

A character of less than sub-Epic levels who tries for one of these items will have to sink so high a percentage of his resources into it that he will struggle to face varieties of ordinary foes - he will have little protective gear or weapons with interesting enhancements and so on. If the price is (as I recommend) kept at 730k, it would amount to all his wealth (except for a few trinkets) at 20th level. If you drop the price to 315k that means he can buy it at 18th. Other than that he would still be equipped as a 10th level character. He'd get eaten for breakfast long before he obtained the item.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dannar 09-15-07, 04:28 AM	It's not listed in the DMG, I was wondering what it would cost to create or buy a Greater Metamagic Rod that gives the Persistent Spell Feat 3x a day. I've been trying to figure it out based on the cost of a Greater Quicken Spell Metamagic Rod (170,000 for 4 slot increase, so a 6 slot increase would be somewhere between 350,000 500,000?)
The_Unseen_Illusion 09-15-07, 04:29 AM	Ohoho, i can see this becomming broken
Dannar 09-15-07, 04:30 AM	Ohoho, i can see this becomming broken What just because I want to make Shapechange last for 24 hours...
The_Unseen_Illusion 09-15-07, 04:48 AM	along wtih sphere of ultimate destruction, greater blink, superior invisibility, add in greater dimension jump for some flavor....
Dannar 09-15-07, 04:49 AM	along wtih sphere of ultimate destruction, greater blink, superior invisibility, add in greater dimension jump for some flavor.... of course...
Merestil Haye 09-15-07, 06:29 AM	I remember going through the exercise of pricing up the rod once on these boards. IIRC, the price for the greater Rod came out at 730k. I extrapolated it by comparing the cost of core Rods to find out what doubling the level increase of the feat did and tripling the level increase, then multiplying those two factors. That gave me a baseline for a +6 increase rod. I then doubled that, on the basis that rods of non-Core feats in CArc were twice the price of equivalent rods of Core feats (for example, Chain Spell rods were exactly twice the price of Maximise Spell, even though both feats require a spell slot three levels higher. The MIC removed that factor; I'm still thinking about how to readjust the prices because I think 315k is too cheap. (I was quite happy with 730k iirc; that pitches the Rod at about 29th level play. My gut feeling is that 315k is too low a price as the item should not be affordable to 23rd level characters.)
Dannar 09-16-07, 02:47 AM	I remember going through the exercise of pricing up the rod once on these boards. IIRC, the price for the greater Rod came out at 730k. I extrapolated it by comparing the cost of core Rods to find out what doubling the level increase of the feat did and tripling the level increase, then multiplying those two factors. That gave me a baseline for a +6 increase rod. I then doubled that, on the basis that rods of non-Core feats in CArc were twice the price of equivalent rods of Core feats (for example, Chain Spell rods were exactly twice the price of Maximise Spell, even though both feats require a spell slot three levels higher. The MIC removed that factor; I'm still thinking about how to readjust the prices because I think 315k is too cheap. (I was quite happy with 730k iirc; that pitches the Rod at about 29th level play. My gut feeling is that 315k is too low a price as the item should not be affordable to 23rd level characters.) I'm assuming most people agree 315k is too cheap? As a 10th level character, stored wealth is at about 60k. Three to Four more levels of adventuring and saving up could reach the 315 mark, or I could go ahead and turn myself into a lich... :-)
Merestil Haye 09-16-07, 06:29 AM	I'm assuming most people agree 315k is too cheap? As a 10th level character, stored wealth is at about 60k. Three to Four more levels of adventuring and saving up could reach the 315 mark, or I could go ahead and turn myself into a lich... :-)I still assess the viability of an item by comparing it to the wealth-by-level table on page 135 of the DMG, as extended by the epic character wealth table (which goes up to 40th). If I say an item is "affordable" for a character of a given level, I mean that 4 times the cost of the item is less than the wealth guideline for the next level up. Thus an item affordable for a 14th level character costs less than 50,000gp (for example). A character of less than sub-Epic levels who tries for one of these items will have to sink so high a percentage of his resources into it that he will struggle to face varieties of ordinary foes - he will have little protective gear or weapons with interesting enhancements and so on. If the price is (as I recommend) kept at 730k, it would amount to all his wealth (except for a few trinkets) at 20th level. If you drop the price to 315k that means he can buy it at 18th. Other than that he would still be equipped as a 10th level character. He'd get eaten for breakfast long before he obtained the item.