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Zombayz1 04-28-07, 12:46 AM	This may be an odd question, but how much does copper wire cost? And I'm talking enough wire to make a 3ft long, 1 inch wide pipe, with the outer rim of the pipe at least half an inch thick... Adamantine pipes would work even better if you have a cost for them.
Derren S. 04-28-07, 01:38 AM	Imo wire is nothing which can easily be produced with D&D technology nor would there be a high demand so it would cost quite a lot (relatvily).
Pirce 04-28-07, 02:40 AM	Wire can be dated all the way back to 2nd millennium BC, if not earlier. There were often used in decorative jewelry such as necklaces. Now quality cables might prove rather difficult for the inhabitants of D&D, but a straight up wire should be well within their means. Though I don't really know why you want wire to make a pipe, if you want to make a pipe you would have an easier time with a mold and molten copper.
stackmachine 04-28-07, 06:24 AM	This may be an odd question, but how much does copper wire cost? And I'm talking enough wire to make a 3ft long, 1 inch wide pipe, with the outer rim of the pipe at least half an inch thick... Adamantine pipes would work even better if you have a cost for them. such specificatrions would require is to be refined metal, and add masterwork-cost to it's careation-costs. as dm i would add double masterwork to your spool of wire. how much that would total up though, well, there i am at a loss, since you didn't talk about how much you would need: pounds, meters, inches of the wire etc.
Pandaemoni 04-28-07, 07:03 AM	Imo wire is nothing which can easily be produced with D&D technology nor would there be a high demand so it would cost quite a lot (relatvily). Copper is a highly ductile metal, so it shouldn't be that great a problem. metal wires were woven into fabric (like cloth of gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloth_of_gold)) and included in jewelry designs, though historically these ere reserved for royalty. (There was enough cloth of gold available during the Rennaissance though that they had a meeting between Henry VIII and Francis I of France is known as the Field of the Cloth of Gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_the_Cloth_of_Gold).) In D&D, both the Noble's Outfit (75 gp) and the Royal Outfit (200 gp) from the PHB probably include some of this sort of embroidered filigree or cloth of gold/cloth of silver, since the descriptions mention precious metals being used (but noting that they lack jewelry). That's probably limited to gold and silver threads, but getting copper thread made shouldn't be all that much more difficult.
Forged_Fury 04-28-07, 07:40 AM	Well, in D&D terms, copper wire exists given that the material component for the message spell is for a short piece of copper wire.
Luis_Dragunov 04-28-07, 10:26 AM	1) Weigh the copper wire 2) See how much copper costs per pound 3) Math! 4)??? 5) profit Also: are you trying to trick your DM into allowing you to make an electromagnet in Dungeons and Dragons, young man?
Phalo 04-28-07, 03:35 PM	i would go with a basic cost of spell fabricate 250g min level plus copper 5 cubic feet is max spell can change which weighs something like 387.6lbs = (copper weighs 0.323 per cubic inch)*((12in*12in)*5) per phb 50 copper per pound 19380 copper which works out to 193g 8s so take 193.8 + 250 = 443.8total production cost per spell divide by 443.8/387.6 = 1g 14s 99c per pounds of copper wire this is an approximation you could smith it for less but this s pretty fair and lets you have a consistent and uniform wire of varying thickness without getting into crazy math. 1g 14s 99c per pounds of copper wire
Zombayz1 04-28-07, 06:27 PM	Also: are you trying to trick your DM into allowing you to make an electromagnet in Dungeons and Dragons, young man? Not trick him. He knows exactly what I'm doing. Everyone else in the party can have their rifles, shotguns, SMGs, and pistols. I'll be the gnome with the coilgun. And yes, wer are doing a somewhat future-ish campaign.
Phalo 04-29-07, 08:15 PM	I just thought about it i got the math wrong that was the price for a 5 inch block of copper. for 5 cubic feet is below i would go with a basic cost of spell fabricate 250g min level plus copper 5 cubic feet is max spell can change which weighs something like 2790.2lbs = (copper weighs 0.323 per cubic inch)*((12in*12in*12in)*5) per phb 50 copper per pound 139510 copper which works out to 13p 95g 10s so take 1395.1g + 250g = 1645.1total production cost per spell divide by 2790.2/1645.1 = 1g 69s 8c per pound of copper wire this is an approximation you could smith it for less but this s pretty fair and lets you have a consistent and uniform wire of varying thickness without getting into crazy math. 1g 69s 8c per pounds of copper wire