Crafting Advanced Constructs [Archive] - Wizards Community

Crafting Advanced Constructs [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
mlasater
06-14-07, 12:12 AM What is the additional cost for crafting a construct which has been advanced (i.e. more than base HD)?
tarkin
06-14-07, 12:22 PM I know of know rule set out for all cases.

But there DOES exist a Stone Golem and a GREATER Stone Golem.

From the analysis:

regardless of type, you need to spend:
non-magical base item cost: 5,000 gp worth of stone plus DC of 17 in two craft checks (implied 7,000 for the Greater Stone Golem, but not clear)

Minimum 14HD, CR 11 =
90,000 cost, 50,000 to make+ 3,400 xp.

Maximum 42 HD, CR 16 =
196,000 cost, 105,000 gp to make + 7,640 XP.

Those numbers imply to me, that CR is the determining factor. 42 is much too much greater than 14 to just double the costs.

I estimate that total value is something along the lines of CR squared x 750 gp, with XP determined based off of that.
jaelis
06-14-07, 01:50 PM There's also:

Homonculous: +2000 gp/HD
Shield Guardian: +5000 gp/HD (plus an extra 20000 gp if it becomes Huge)
tarkin
06-14-07, 03:28 PM Hm. I just compared the Clay and Flesh golem. close in both HD and in CR, but huge difference in price.

I think that pretty much means you can't come up with a generic formula based on CR or HD for all constructs.

Instead, consider like +x% of original price for each HD improvement with a bonus for size increases

But that does not fit the Stone Golem mold very well.
mlasater
06-14-07, 07:48 PM I was afraid there wasn't a standard system.

The player in question is going to want to make a Brass Steed (Heroes of Battle).

Base HD 8, CR 8, price 19,000 (10,000 GP + 720 XP)
It can be advanced to 16 HD as a large or 24 HD as a huge construct.

He is a 15th level caster.

Does the level need to be higher for a higher HD construct? (Base CL is 8)

Suggestions?
tarkin
06-14-07, 10:06 PM There is no level difference in the requirement for Greater Stone Golem as opposed to a regular one.

I would probably charge him +3,000 gp per HD more, and an extra 15,000 if he makes it Huge.

This is because his creature is about the same CR as a Shield Golem, but about twice the HD.
Kyrinthic
06-15-07, 07:13 PM 2000 per HD seems the most common 'generic' number, with some that specify different ammounts.

Hommonculi and effigy creatures all follow that rule, and I cant name offhand, but I'm pretty sure I've seen the number on a few other constructs as well.

-Kyrinthic

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
mlasater 06-14-07, 12:12 AM	What is the additional cost for crafting a construct which has been advanced (i.e. more than base HD)?
tarkin 06-14-07, 12:22 PM	I know of know rule set out for all cases. But there DOES exist a Stone Golem and a GREATER Stone Golem. From the analysis: regardless of type, you need to spend: non-magical base item cost: 5,000 gp worth of stone plus DC of 17 in two craft checks (implied 7,000 for the Greater Stone Golem, but not clear) Minimum 14HD, CR 11 = 90,000 cost, 50,000 to make+ 3,400 xp. Maximum 42 HD, CR 16 = 196,000 cost, 105,000 gp to make + 7,640 XP. Those numbers imply to me, that CR is the determining factor. 42 is much too much greater than 14 to just double the costs. I estimate that total value is something along the lines of CR squared x 750 gp, with XP determined based off of that.
jaelis 06-14-07, 01:50 PM	There's also: Homonculous: +2000 gp/HD Shield Guardian: +5000 gp/HD (plus an extra 20000 gp if it becomes Huge)
tarkin 06-14-07, 03:28 PM	Hm. I just compared the Clay and Flesh golem. close in both HD and in CR, but huge difference in price. I think that pretty much means you can't come up with a generic formula based on CR or HD for all constructs. Instead, consider like +x% of original price for each HD improvement with a bonus for size increases But that does not fit the Stone Golem mold very well.
mlasater 06-14-07, 07:48 PM	I was afraid there wasn't a standard system. The player in question is going to want to make a Brass Steed (Heroes of Battle). Base HD 8, CR 8, price 19,000 (10,000 GP + 720 XP) It can be advanced to 16 HD as a large or 24 HD as a huge construct. He is a 15th level caster. Does the level need to be higher for a higher HD construct? (Base CL is 8) Suggestions?
tarkin 06-14-07, 10:06 PM	There is no level difference in the requirement for Greater Stone Golem as opposed to a regular one. I would probably charge him +3,000 gp per HD more, and an extra 15,000 if he makes it Huge. This is because his creature is about the same CR as a Shield Golem, but about twice the HD.
Kyrinthic 06-15-07, 07:13 PM	2000 per HD seems the most common 'generic' number, with some that specify different ammounts. Hommonculi and effigy creatures all follow that rule, and I cant name offhand, but I'm pretty sure I've seen the number on a few other constructs as well. -Kyrinthic