crafting Large weapons with special materials [Archive] - Wizards Community

crafting Large weapons with special materials [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Neodymium
05-15-05, 06:30 PM Large weapons cost twice as much, but when do you do the multiplying during weapon creation?

demonstrate using the following examples(to display how to deal with addition and multiplication along with the 2x large multiplier)

large adamantine greataxe

large cold iron greatsword
Colmarr
05-15-05, 08:20 PM You might want to rephrase the original post. It sounds like an exam question, and demands usually don't go down well on these boards.

In relation to the question itself, I would recommend that you determine the cost for the medium-sized base weapon first, then double for size.

Therefore, the large adamantine greataxe would cost [20gp (greataxe) + 3000gp (adamantine)] x 2 (large) = 6040gp

A large cold iron greatsword would cost [50gp (greatsword) x 2 (cold iron)] x 2 (large) = 200gp.

This is an exception to the usual D&D system of multiplication (ie. x 2 x2 = x3), because the doubling for size is not related to the original doubling for material. Large weapons cost double what an equivalent medium-sized weapon would cost (including special materials), not simply double what the weapon type would cost.
Neodymium
05-15-05, 08:52 PM Are you certain about that? Adamantine weapons have the 300gp masterwork component included in the price. I'm pretty sure that the masterwork price isn't doubled.
Colmarr
05-16-05, 06:19 PM I never said the masterwork price is doubled.

Ah, I see what you mean. You're suggesting that the cost for a large adamantine greataxe should be [20 (axe) + 2700 (adamantine) x2 (large)] + 300 (masterwork) = 5740gp.

Having looked at the rules again, this is the quote from the equipment section.

Cost: This value is the weapon’s cost in gold pieces (gp) or silver pieces (sp). The cost includes miscellaneous gear that goes with the weapon.
This cost is the same for a Small or Medium version of the weapon. A Large version costs twice the listed price.

Taken at face value, that quote could be used to argue that the only amount which is doubled for large size is the base weapon cost. If so, a large adamantine greataxe would cost [20gp (greataxe) x2 (large)] + 3000gp] = 3040gp.

At the end of the day, there's no clear indication in the special materials section or the magic item creation section dealing with how special materials cost is affected by weapon size. Each DM will need to make up their own mind and houserule it.

Personally, I consider it counter-intuitive that the adamantine needed for a colossal greataxe costs the same amount as the admantine for a medium greataxe, so I'll be ruling that the special materials cost is also multiplied.

As for whether the masterwork portion of the price should be doubled, I will rule that it should. I would be suspicious of anyone playing a large race. Always err on the side of caution.

YMMV
Neodymium
05-16-05, 11:33 PM well it seems to me that the price for ANY adamantine weapon is +3000. After all, a Small dagger certainly wouldn't use anywhere close to as much adamantine as a Medium greatsword. Yet, it's still 3000 more. I've been searching through the books trying to discern a clear answer, but haven't succeeded yet. I guess i'll just talk to the DM about it.
Vorel-Aurixsveargith
05-16-05, 11:45 PM Heh heh, it's the not the cost the materials for adamantine that make it cost +3000gp, it must be the licences and other assorted documentation for shipping and possesing an adamantine weapon. :P Thus why it costs just as much for the adamantine dagger and the adamantine great sword.
mvincent
05-17-05, 01:36 PM well it seems to me that the price for ANY adamantine weapon is +3000. After all, a Small dagger certainly wouldn't use anywhere close to as much adamantine as a Medium greatsword. Yet, it's still 3000 more.You have a good point (no pun). For adamantine (to have it make sense), I would probably rule that the majority of the cost is related to working with the material (and/or that the weapon need not be entirely comprised of adamatine metal). So larger adamantine weapons may/may not cost that much more (DM's call).

However, most other special materials scale more thoroughly with size. Their costs should usually increase proportionally.

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Neodymium 05-15-05, 06:30 PM	Large weapons cost twice as much, but when do you do the multiplying during weapon creation? demonstrate using the following examples(to display how to deal with addition and multiplication along with the 2x large multiplier) large adamantine greataxe large cold iron greatsword
Colmarr 05-15-05, 08:20 PM	You might want to rephrase the original post. It sounds like an exam question, and demands usually don't go down well on these boards. In relation to the question itself, I would recommend that you determine the cost for the medium-sized base weapon first, then double for size. Therefore, the large adamantine greataxe would cost [20gp (greataxe) + 3000gp (adamantine)] x 2 (large) = 6040gp A large cold iron greatsword would cost [50gp (greatsword) x 2 (cold iron)] x 2 (large) = 200gp. This is an exception to the usual D&D system of multiplication (ie. x 2 x2 = x3), because the doubling for size is not related to the original doubling for material. Large weapons cost double what an equivalent medium-sized weapon would cost (including special materials), not simply double what the weapon type would cost.
Neodymium 05-15-05, 08:52 PM	Are you certain about that? Adamantine weapons have the 300gp masterwork component included in the price. I'm pretty sure that the masterwork price isn't doubled.
Colmarr 05-16-05, 06:19 PM	I never said the masterwork price is doubled. Ah, I see what you mean. You're suggesting that the cost for a large adamantine greataxe should be [20 (axe) + 2700 (adamantine) x2 (large)] + 300 (masterwork) = 5740gp. Having looked at the rules again, this is the quote from the equipment section. Cost: This value is the weapon’s cost in gold pieces (gp) or silver pieces (sp). The cost includes miscellaneous gear that goes with the weapon. This cost is the same for a Small or Medium version of the weapon. A Large version costs twice the listed price. Taken at face value, that quote could be used to argue that the only amount which is doubled for large size is the base weapon cost. If so, a large adamantine greataxe would cost [20gp (greataxe) x2 (large)] + 3000gp] = 3040gp. At the end of the day, there's no clear indication in the special materials section or the magic item creation section dealing with how special materials cost is affected by weapon size. Each DM will need to make up their own mind and houserule it. Personally, I consider it counter-intuitive that the adamantine needed for a colossal greataxe costs the same amount as the admantine for a medium greataxe, so I'll be ruling that the special materials cost is also multiplied. As for whether the masterwork portion of the price should be doubled, I will rule that it should. I would be suspicious of anyone playing a large race. Always err on the side of caution. YMMV
Neodymium 05-16-05, 11:33 PM	well it seems to me that the price for ANY adamantine weapon is +3000. After all, a Small dagger certainly wouldn't use anywhere close to as much adamantine as a Medium greatsword. Yet, it's still 3000 more. I've been searching through the books trying to discern a clear answer, but haven't succeeded yet. I guess i'll just talk to the DM about it.
Vorel-Aurixsveargith 05-16-05, 11:45 PM	Heh heh, it's the not the cost the materials for adamantine that make it cost +3000gp, it must be the licences and other assorted documentation for shipping and possesing an adamantine weapon. :P Thus why it costs just as much for the adamantine dagger and the adamantine great sword.
mvincent 05-17-05, 01:36 PM	well it seems to me that the price for ANY adamantine weapon is +3000. After all, a Small dagger certainly wouldn't use anywhere close to as much adamantine as a Medium greatsword. Yet, it's still 3000 more.You have a good point (no pun). For adamantine (to have it make sense), I would probably rule that the majority of the cost is related to working with the material (and/or that the weapon need not be entirely comprised of adamatine metal). So larger adamantine weapons may/may not cost that much more (DM's call). However, most other special materials scale more thoroughly with size. Their costs should usually increase proportionally.