Critical Hits and Spirited charge [Archive] - Wizards Community

Critical Hits and Spirited charge [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Stalos_
11-30-07, 01:36 PM Anyone got an answer for me. I looked on the FAQ and didn't find anything. So you deal triple damage, I assume that mean triple your strength score as well as triple any other damage you get. So if you crit, do you then multiple this damage, or do you then make the total multipled equal to spirited charge plus the crit multiplier.

Thanks
Keenath
11-30-07, 01:45 PM You use the normal multiplier rules, which is two x2s is a x3.

So if your weapon deals x3 damage on a charge and x3 damage on a crit, then a crit on a charge would deal x5 damage. If your weapon deals only x2 on a crit, then it would be x4 instead.
mvincent
11-30-07, 05:09 PM So you deal triple damage, I assume that mean triple your strength score as well as triple any other damage you get. Yes, bonuses are multiplied, but any bonus dice (sneak attack, flaming, etc.) are not.

So if you crit, do you then multiple this damage, or do you then make the total multipled equal to spirited charge plus the crit multiplier. As mentioned, the rules (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#multiplying) say:
"When two or more multipliers apply to any abstract value (such as a modifier or a die roll), however, combine them into a single multiple, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. Thus, a double (×2) and a double (×2) applied to the same number results in a triple (×3, because 2 + 1 = 3)."
Oliver D'Argent
11-30-07, 06:36 PM By way of example:

A 10th level Paladin with a Strength of 20 and the Power Attack and Spirited Charge feats charges an evil giant with a + 1 Holy giant bane lance. He is wielding his lance two-handed (rather non-traditional, but apparently possible) and trades 5 points of attack bonus for damage. He also uses his Smite Evil class feature.
On a confirmed critical, he would do:

5d8 (5 x weapon damage) + 25 (5 x Str bonus) + 15 (5 x enhancement bonus - the Bane quality makes the lance + 3 vs. the giant) + 50 (5 x extra damage from Power Attack) + 50 (5 x smite damage) + 2d6 (extra dice of damage from the Bane quality is not multiplied) + 2d6 (extra dice of damage from the Holy quality is not multiplied) = 5d8 + 140 + 4d6

Minimum Damage: 149 pts
Average Damage: 176.5 pts
Maximum Damage: 204 pts

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Stalos_ 11-30-07, 01:36 PM	Anyone got an answer for me. I looked on the FAQ and didn't find anything. So you deal triple damage, I assume that mean triple your strength score as well as triple any other damage you get. So if you crit, do you then multiple this damage, or do you then make the total multipled equal to spirited charge plus the crit multiplier. Thanks
Keenath 11-30-07, 01:45 PM	You use the normal multiplier rules, which is two x2s is a x3. So if your weapon deals x3 damage on a charge and x3 damage on a crit, then a crit on a charge would deal x5 damage. If your weapon deals only x2 on a crit, then it would be x4 instead.
mvincent 11-30-07, 05:09 PM	So you deal triple damage, I assume that mean triple your strength score as well as triple any other damage you get. Yes, bonuses are multiplied, but any bonus dice (sneak attack, flaming, etc.) are not. So if you crit, do you then multiple this damage, or do you then make the total multipled equal to spirited charge plus the crit multiplier. As mentioned, the rules (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#multiplying) say: "When two or more multipliers apply to any abstract value (such as a modifier or a die roll), however, combine them into a single multiple, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. Thus, a double (×2) and a double (×2) applied to the same number results in a triple (×3, because 2 + 1 = 3)."
Oliver D'Argent 11-30-07, 06:36 PM	By way of example: A 10th level Paladin with a Strength of 20 and the Power Attack and Spirited Charge feats charges an evil giant with a + 1 Holy giant bane lance. He is wielding his lance two-handed (rather non-traditional, but apparently possible) and trades 5 points of attack bonus for damage. He also uses his Smite Evil class feature. On a confirmed critical, he would do: 5d8 (5 x weapon damage) + 25 (5 x Str bonus) + 15 (5 x enhancement bonus - the Bane quality makes the lance + 3 vs. the giant) + 50 (5 x extra damage from Power Attack) + 50 (5 x smite damage) + 2d6 (extra dice of damage from the Bane quality is not multiplied) + 2d6 (extra dice of damage from the Holy quality is not multiplied) = 5d8 + 140 + 4d6 Minimum Damage: 149 pts Average Damage: 176.5 pts Maximum Damage: 204 pts