Critical hits with maneuvres [Archive] - Wizards Community

Critical hits with maneuvres [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Querente
11-20-06, 10:14 AM I have been reading the ToB:Bo9S and also using it in a campaign (which is a bit anime-based, so it fits nicely).

I have a question regarding criticals hits. For instance, if I use Stone-Dragon's Mountain strike (+2d6 damage, and ignore any DR/Hardness) and I score a critical hit, does the +2d6 damage get multiplied as well?

The +2d6 is not elemental (which is not multiplied normally, unless it has burst), but physical (I presume), but it is also not an integer/fixed addition (like strength bonus to damage, which get multiplied).
BrazilianRascal
11-20-06, 10:22 AM I assume it does not, just like a Holy weapon's extra damage doesn't get multipled against an evil foe.

Still, you could always house-rule it. It'd be a good way to fix a Discipline I consider a bit...lacking.
Querente
11-20-06, 10:38 AM Ok, I was just asking, because a fixed value does get multiplied, like the Strike of Perfect Clarity which gives a +100 damage bonus. According to the rules, that does get multiplied.

Perhaps we can house-rule a compromise...with a critical hit, +2d6 rolls automaticall for max damge (12). Atleast you get a small bonus from it then :)
Longarms
11-20-06, 02:46 PM "ToB:Bo9S"

I may be restating the obvious here, but using acronyms like this without explaining what they mean really limits the amount of people who are able to understand and respond to your post. In this case, it looks like you were fortunate and someone was able to understand what you were talking about and gave you the answer.
ecs05norway
11-21-06, 11:33 PM Here's my question.

The rules state explicitly that DICE of damage added by external factors (such as Flaming, Burst, etc) are not multiplied.

However, fixed additions such as Power Attack ARE.

What happens when you have something that adds both?

Example, Desert Wind maneuver Burning Blade adds 1d6 + Initiator Level to the weapon's damage.

Clearly, the 1d6 is not doubled (or whatever) on a crit, but what about the IL?
Salla
11-21-06, 11:36 PM Clearly, the 1d6 is not doubled (or whatever) on a crit, but what about the IL?

Yes, it is.
Getting that random, let's say, +4 from that is no different from the +4 from Strength for this purpose; it multiplies through.
Jaxgaret
11-22-06, 12:54 PM "ToB:Bo9S"

I may be restating the obvious here, but using acronyms like this without explaining what they mean really limits the amount of people who are able to understand and respond to your post. In this case, it looks like you were fortunate and someone was able to understand what you were talking about and gave you the answer.

You'd have to have been under a rock (figuratively speaking) for quite a while on these boards not to know that ToB is referring to the Tome of Battle.
Esponer
11-22-06, 02:50 PM Additional damage from manoeuvres is never multiplied on a critical hit: neither fixed damage, nor dice. A critical hit on a strike of perfect clarity deals normal critical damage, plus 100 damage.

I'd find the appropriate quote from the book (Tome of Battle), but I'm busy tonight. Either trust me or look it up yourself.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Querente 11-20-06, 10:14 AM	I have been reading the ToB:Bo9S and also using it in a campaign (which is a bit anime-based, so it fits nicely). I have a question regarding criticals hits. For instance, if I use Stone-Dragon's Mountain strike (+2d6 damage, and ignore any DR/Hardness) and I score a critical hit, does the +2d6 damage get multiplied as well? The +2d6 is not elemental (which is not multiplied normally, unless it has burst), but physical (I presume), but it is also not an integer/fixed addition (like strength bonus to damage, which get multiplied).
BrazilianRascal 11-20-06, 10:22 AM	I assume it does not, just like a Holy weapon's extra damage doesn't get multipled against an evil foe. Still, you could always house-rule it. It'd be a good way to fix a Discipline I consider a bit...lacking.
Querente 11-20-06, 10:38 AM	Ok, I was just asking, because a fixed value does get multiplied, like the Strike of Perfect Clarity which gives a +100 damage bonus. According to the rules, that does get multiplied. Perhaps we can house-rule a compromise...with a critical hit, +2d6 rolls automaticall for max damge (12). Atleast you get a small bonus from it then :)
Longarms 11-20-06, 02:46 PM	"ToB:Bo9S" I may be restating the obvious here, but using acronyms like this without explaining what they mean really limits the amount of people who are able to understand and respond to your post. In this case, it looks like you were fortunate and someone was able to understand what you were talking about and gave you the answer.
ecs05norway 11-21-06, 11:33 PM	Here's my question. The rules state explicitly that DICE of damage added by external factors (such as Flaming, Burst, etc) are not multiplied. However, fixed additions such as Power Attack ARE. What happens when you have something that adds both? Example, Desert Wind maneuver Burning Blade adds 1d6 + Initiator Level to the weapon's damage. Clearly, the 1d6 is not doubled (or whatever) on a crit, but what about the IL?
Salla 11-21-06, 11:36 PM	Clearly, the 1d6 is not doubled (or whatever) on a crit, but what about the IL? Yes, it is. Getting that random, let's say, +4 from that is no different from the +4 from Strength for this purpose; it multiplies through.
Jaxgaret 11-22-06, 12:54 PM	"ToB:Bo9S" I may be restating the obvious here, but using acronyms like this without explaining what they mean really limits the amount of people who are able to understand and respond to your post. In this case, it looks like you were fortunate and someone was able to understand what you were talking about and gave you the answer. You'd have to have been under a rock (figuratively speaking) for quite a while on these boards not to know that ToB is referring to the Tome of Battle.
Esponer 11-22-06, 02:50 PM	Additional damage from manoeuvres is never multiplied on a critical hit: neither fixed damage, nor dice. A critical hit on a strike of perfect clarity deals normal critical damage, plus 100 damage. I'd find the appropriate quote from the book (Tome of Battle), but I'm busy tonight. Either trust me or look it up yourself.