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lutz_the_mage 04-20-05, 09:57 AM	It's this ok to created a crossbow of str, it's work like a mighty composite bow of str, but you need the given str to load it. I just want to know what you think about it?
StormCrow42 04-20-05, 10:17 AM	Too munchkin friendly. It will take your STR 8 wizard about 5 seconds to figure out that he can get the STR 18 barbarian to load one for him. And then he'll carry 2 or 3 around so he can get more shots per combat.
tarkin 04-20-05, 11:16 AM	And it is incredibally silly idea. Crossbows are designed with levers and gears so that anyone of any strength can load them. In effect ALL crossbows are designed to require 20+ strength, but the levers/gears create a multipling effect allowing people of any strength to use. The exception is the Hand crossbow, which is a tiny light thing that you pull back by hand. I could see a "heavy Hand crossbow" that did d6 instead of d4 and had a strength check to load it in a Move Action, taking a Full Round if you failed the strength check.
Elthbert 04-20-05, 11:19 AM	Sure you can it's called a great crossbow does 1d12 and requires a winch to load it, you could easily say some one with a 20 str doesn't need the winch and could then load it every round say a heavy crossbow same thing but a str of 16.
Elthbert 04-20-05, 11:20 AM	And it is incredibally silly idea. Crossbows are designed with levers and gears so that anyone of any strength can load them. In effect ALL crossbows are designed to require 20+ strength, but the levers/gears create a multipling effect allowing people of any strength to use. The exception is the Hand crossbow, which is a tiny light thing that you pull back by hand. I could see a "heavy Hand crossbow" that did d6 instead of d4 and had a strength check to load it in a Move Action, taking a Full Round if you failed the strength check. light crossbows are pulled back by hand, only heavy crossbow and siege weapons required a frog or a winch.
tarkin 04-20-05, 11:46 AM	Please, assume I checked the SRD. Yes I know YOU don't check the SRD, but at least assume I checked the SRD. Crossbow, Light: You draw a light crossbow back by pulling a lever. Loading a light crossbow is a move action that provokes attacks of opportunity. Now for extra credit who am I mis-quoting: "Give me a large enough lever and I can move the world."
Sinon 04-20-05, 11:51 AM	Was it Descartes? edit: (Checked it. Very wrong. Feeling stupid now.)
Elthbert 04-21-05, 07:29 PM	Please, assume I checked the SRD. Yes I know YOU don't check the SRD, but at least assume I checked the SRD. Now for extra credit who am I mis-quoting: "Give me a large enough lever and I can move the world." Well the D&D weapons are so pitifully inaccurate ( like 16 lb swords) that I don't bother. A real crossbow which would be the equivalent to a light crossbow can be pulled back by hand, they had a place on the front to put your foot and then you took both hands and pulled back the bow.
Elthbert 04-21-05, 07:31 PM	And I believe your quoting Archimedes.
Taco_Lad 04-27-05, 08:36 AM	I would like to see a str 8 wizard carry 3 loaded great crossbows. guys *puff* wait.. *puff* I am *puff* gonna collapse! *wheeeze* the other way of doing it is to do mighty crossbows, that take even longer to load, eg one move action extra for each +1 of damage it does that doesn't match up with your strength. eg. str 10 character gets hold of a +5 mighty heavy crossbow, this will take 5 extra move actions on top of the full round action to get loaded, so 3 and a bit rounds after starting, you have reloaded the crossbow. This simulates having to use a hardcore winch to do the work for you, whereas a str 20 character can load it with the goat's-leg lever and brute force. I would only allow heavy crossbows to be mighty up to +5 and then great crossbows up to +7. any more than that and you would need to go up a size category.
Elthbert 04-27-05, 10:41 AM	interesting Idea, I may try that.
tarkin 04-27-05, 11:08 AM	It is true that in real life some weaker crossbows were loaded by hand. Such loading techniques took additional time - it would probably be considered a Full Round Action, or at least a Standard Action. that is why the lever and gear systesm were developed - they took far less time.
Elthbert 04-27-05, 11:42 AM	It is true that in real life some weaker crossbows were loaded by hand. Such loading techniques took additional time - it would probably be considered a Full Round Action, or at least a Standard Action. that is why the lever and gear systesm were developed - they took far less time. No the lever and gear system where developed to pull draw wieghts that where to strong to do by hand. A windlass took along time to crank all the way, putting your foot down and pulling it back by hand is very fast.