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djinni 06-27-05, 07:25 PM	I have an intelligent Item (Item familiar feat) that the character has had the spell "hardness," and the psionic power "Matter manipulation." cast on. it has a total hardness of 35, and alot of hitpoints. problem is we can't find anything about how that would increase it's save to prevent it from being crushed (as in the nightwalkers Supernatural ability "crush Item"). if it's break DC increases why doesn't it's save? a weapon with an enhancement bonus of +10 still needs a 20 to make that save...
tarkin 06-28-05, 08:46 AM	There are three ways to hurt an object: Sunder (hit point damage). This is a sudden, aimed, impact attack against the object using a limited force. Often one attack is not enough to destroy it, multiple attacks are needed, each doing some damage. Better material/quality helps a lot because there are fewer weak points, and they have more strength to resist the damage. Break DC. This is a slow tension attack agaainst an object using limited force at the entire object, designed to eventually break it at the weak point. Here you are tring to slowly bend it out of shape. Often multiple attempts are needed, but the attempts have no partial success, they do no damage unless they succeed in breaking it entirely. Better material/quality helps a little, because they have more strength to resist the damage. Save DC. This is a sudden sharp attack against an object using unaimed MASSIVE force. Here no attempt to hit the weak spot is made, as the force itself is big enough to destroy the object entirely. Only one attempt is needed, the attempts have no partial success, but it usually has other limitations, such as x/day, or requiring extensive preparation work first. Better material/quality helps very little, as the force is so much stronger it is not a significant relative increase. (Distingrate, Rust attacks, for example). The Crush Item is a Save DC, because the Nightwalker is extra strong and has a special power that lets him destroy weapons so thoroughly. It is not "break", not "sunder", but CRUSH. It is balanced by requiring him to first disarm you, then crush it as a standard Action (I.E. it takes a minimum of two rounds). You should be attempting to disarm him before he succeeds.
djinni 06-29-05, 07:29 PM	The Crush Item is a Save DC, because the Nightwalker is extra strong and has a special power that lets him destroy weapons so thoroughly. It is not "break", not "sunder", but CRUSH. It is balanced by requiring him to first disarm you, then crush it as a standard Action (I.E. it takes a minimum of two rounds). You should be attempting to disarm him before he succeeds. yes, however a +38 disarm attempt versus a +21 doesn't give much of a try (how is that balanced?)...he tries and has two attempts, and unless I am a dedicated fighter with quick draw (which I am not) I get only one try...yes it takes two rounds, but that weapon is still gone...move in make the disarm (take one round of attacks) move away crush the item...if he decides to crush the item it gets crushed...most relics would even get crushed...