Damage from bullrush? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Damage from bullrush? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MulDaddy
01-30-07, 06:26 PM The set-up:

The party is standing in the entrance to a cave, 20' from the mouth the cave takes a 90° turn. The party wizard is standing 5' from the wall right where it makes the turn facing the interior, i.e. she is facing west with the wall 5' from her left side. An enraged Frost giant/barbarian charges her from outside the cave.

My intention was to have him pancake her to the wall, he didn't really care about any damage he would have taken, he just wanted to smush something.

However, the rules for Bull Rush don't say what happens when the movement from the Bull Rush strikes an immovable object.

What would have been a good way to rule this?
GhostStepper
01-30-07, 10:36 PM I dont know if it was in the FAQ, the sage advice or the PHB, but ive read somewhere that if you bullrush a creature into an occupied square, they fall prone in the first space they were in before hitting the object/creature. Sounds reasonable to me.
DarknessEternal
01-31-07, 01:23 AM The FAQ covers this. If someone is bullrushed into a square they can't occupy, they are moved to the opposite side of the bullrushee from the direction they took in the nearest square they can occupy and made prone.

No damage is done.
Xeviat-DM
01-31-07, 02:09 AM There should be damage done if you bull rush someone into a wall. Heck, the wall should even take damage if it gets through its hardness. I say it should be your unarmed strike + 1.5 str modifier. That's consistant and not abusable.
Devlonir
01-31-07, 04:52 AM Id make it a slam attack. And if the creature does not have a natural slam attack, the damage will be equal to the characters unarmed strike. And it would indeed also damage the object that gets hit.
If enough damage is done to break the object, the creature that gets slam should get no more then the damage done to the object to break it. Because then, there is no object stopping the bull rush anymore.
The_Fan
01-31-07, 07:15 AM I'd say take the rules for knocking someone back and say 1d6 per 10 ft not travelled, taken by both the victim and the object. Then use the rules for if the object crumbles, no more damage and the victim falls prone on the other side of the wall.
Devlonir
01-31-07, 07:38 AM I feel that a trained person, or a creature that uses a slam as attack should be able to do more damage this way then someone who just hits another person into a wall. If you rank it this way, it gives a whole new set of tactics to using Bull Rush.

For example: The monk could bull rush an opponent through a wooden door, to single it out, while the fighter blocks the now created hole to the other creatures they are fighting.

A monk would be better at doing this then the fighter because of the training he has had. Of course, if i'd houserule it this way, I would also create an armor upgrade that gives the wearer extra chance of a succesful bull rush and improves the distance the creature gets pushed and the damage it takes when it hits something in the way.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MulDaddy 01-30-07, 06:26 PM	The set-up: The party is standing in the entrance to a cave, 20' from the mouth the cave takes a 90° turn. The party wizard is standing 5' from the wall right where it makes the turn facing the interior, i.e. she is facing west with the wall 5' from her left side. An enraged Frost giant/barbarian charges her from outside the cave. My intention was to have him pancake her to the wall, he didn't really care about any damage he would have taken, he just wanted to smush something. However, the rules for Bull Rush don't say what happens when the movement from the Bull Rush strikes an immovable object. What would have been a good way to rule this?
GhostStepper 01-30-07, 10:36 PM	I dont know if it was in the FAQ, the sage advice or the PHB, but ive read somewhere that if you bullrush a creature into an occupied square, they fall prone in the first space they were in before hitting the object/creature. Sounds reasonable to me.
DarknessEternal 01-31-07, 01:23 AM	The FAQ covers this. If someone is bullrushed into a square they can't occupy, they are moved to the opposite side of the bullrushee from the direction they took in the nearest square they can occupy and made prone. No damage is done.
Xeviat-DM 01-31-07, 02:09 AM	There should be damage done if you bull rush someone into a wall. Heck, the wall should even take damage if it gets through its hardness. I say it should be your unarmed strike + 1.5 str modifier. That's consistant and not abusable.
Devlonir 01-31-07, 04:52 AM	Id make it a slam attack. And if the creature does not have a natural slam attack, the damage will be equal to the characters unarmed strike. And it would indeed also damage the object that gets hit. If enough damage is done to break the object, the creature that gets slam should get no more then the damage done to the object to break it. Because then, there is no object stopping the bull rush anymore.
The_Fan 01-31-07, 07:15 AM	I'd say take the rules for knocking someone back and say 1d6 per 10 ft not travelled, taken by both the victim and the object. Then use the rules for if the object crumbles, no more damage and the victim falls prone on the other side of the wall.
Devlonir 01-31-07, 07:38 AM	I feel that a trained person, or a creature that uses a slam as attack should be able to do more damage this way then someone who just hits another person into a wall. If you rank it this way, it gives a whole new set of tactics to using Bull Rush. For example: The monk could bull rush an opponent through a wooden door, to single it out, while the fighter blocks the now created hole to the other creatures they are fighting. A monk would be better at doing this then the fighter because of the training he has had. Of course, if i'd houserule it this way, I would also create an armor upgrade that gives the wearer extra chance of a succesful bull rush and improves the distance the creature gets pushed and the damage it takes when it hits something in the way.