dancing ranged? [Archive] - Wizards Community

dancing ranged? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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escherblacksmith
08-11-06, 04:16 PM alrighty, I have done the google search thing and other attempts to find the answer without posting, but to no avail. At least nothing directly dnd related.

So, here goes.

I have a magic bow, that was given a gift of an enhancement, specifically dancing

Now, per RAW, this is fine, but I wonder, as I often do, how would it work?
Does that mean that the bow will pull its own arrows as it dances with me? And, if so, would I have the ability to communicate with it to tell it which arrow to use (in case I had a couple slaying arrows or the like).

This bit: "In all other respects, it is considered wielded or attended by the creature for all maneuvers and effects that target items."

seems to give a lot of lee-way, So, I thought I would see if anyone else has run into this . . .
tarkin
08-11-06, 04:29 PM Your first idea is wrong. It is only "fine" if your DM house rules. Dancing, like Spell Storing is not on the chart of allowable weapon enchantments for ranged weapons. As such, they are Mellee only.

Yes, people that try to twist the rules around ignore the chart, but that is not following the rules as written. Besides, RAW is useless, look up the condition dead, it does not say you can't take actions. No where does it say a day is 24 hours, so I can play in a game where spell casters get spells 1/week and still be playing EXACTLY according to RAW. Or I could have a day be 8 hours, etc.

If your DM decides to house rule, based on a literalist interpretation, then it is up to your House Ruling DM how he wants to explain it. You will have to ask him.
Shadowfax7
08-11-06, 08:36 PM This bit: "In all other respects, it is considered wielded or attended by the creature for all maneuvers and effects that target items."IMO and the way I rule it in my games, is that this line pertains to saves made by the weapon.

In other words, it is considered wielded (making it an attended object) and thus it gets the owner's save.

There are other instances when an object is considered attended that provide an advantage.
escherblacksmith
08-14-06, 11:27 AM Your first idea is wrong. It is only "fine" if your DM house rules.

Interesting, a trifle antagonistic, but everyone has a crabby day once in awhile. :D The reason I said it is fine as written, is because the written description for dancing does not list a requirement for it being melee, which, most of the other bits that have such a requirement do. You are correct, the chart does list it specifically as a melee enhancement, which I had not seen.

So, thanks for the help, I'll just go ask him how he thought it would work.

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escherblacksmith 08-11-06, 04:16 PM	alrighty, I have done the google search thing and other attempts to find the answer without posting, but to no avail. At least nothing directly dnd related. So, here goes. I have a magic bow, that was given a gift of an enhancement, specifically dancing Now, per RAW, this is fine, but I wonder, as I often do, how would it work? Does that mean that the bow will pull its own arrows as it dances with me? And, if so, would I have the ability to communicate with it to tell it which arrow to use (in case I had a couple slaying arrows or the like). This bit: "In all other respects, it is considered wielded or attended by the creature for all maneuvers and effects that target items." seems to give a lot of lee-way, So, I thought I would see if anyone else has run into this . . .
tarkin 08-11-06, 04:29 PM	Your first idea is wrong. It is only "fine" if your DM house rules. Dancing, like Spell Storing is not on the chart of allowable weapon enchantments for ranged weapons. As such, they are Mellee only. Yes, people that try to twist the rules around ignore the chart, but that is not following the rules as written. Besides, RAW is useless, look up the condition dead, it does not say you can't take actions. No where does it say a day is 24 hours, so I can play in a game where spell casters get spells 1/week and still be playing EXACTLY according to RAW. Or I could have a day be 8 hours, etc. If your DM decides to house rule, based on a literalist interpretation, then it is up to your House Ruling DM how he wants to explain it. You will have to ask him.
Shadowfax7 08-11-06, 08:36 PM	This bit: "In all other respects, it is considered wielded or attended by the creature for all maneuvers and effects that target items."IMO and the way I rule it in my games, is that this line pertains to saves made by the weapon. In other words, it is considered wielded (making it an attended object) and thus it gets the owner's save. There are other instances when an object is considered attended that provide an advantage.
escherblacksmith 08-14-06, 11:27 AM	Your first idea is wrong. It is only "fine" if your DM house rules. Interesting, a trifle antagonistic, but everyone has a crabby day once in awhile. :D The reason I said it is fine as written, is because the written description for dancing does not list a requirement for it being melee, which, most of the other bits that have such a requirement do. You are correct, the chart does list it specifically as a melee enhancement, which I had not seen. So, thanks for the help, I'll just go ask him how he thought it would work.