Dispelling with UMD? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dispelling with UMD? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Suin Bahhar
04-18-06, 03:26 PM When a rogue has maxed out use magic device could he use staffs and wands to counterspell enemy casters spells? He should not need to make a spellcraft check with a rod of greater dispelling and just ready his action on the mage and -poof- activate the rod as he tries to cast a spell and see what happens.
You think it'll work?
primemover003
04-18-06, 03:37 PM You can't use Magic items to counterspell at all...
mvincent
04-18-06, 04:34 PM ... a rod of greater dispelling...Where is this magic item from?
mvincent
04-18-06, 04:41 PM You can't use Magic items to counterspell at all...Where did you get that information? It does not appear to be correct.

If a rogue had a wand/staff of dispel magic, he should indeed be able to counterspell as normal with that:
"Dispel Magic as a Counterspell
You can use dispel magic to counterspell another spellcaster, and you don’t need to identify the spell he or she is casting. However, dispel magic doesn’t always work as a counterspell."

From the dispel magic description (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dispelMagic.htm):
"Counterspell
When dispel magic is used in this way, the spell targets a spellcaster and is cast as a counterspell. Unlike a true counterspell, however, dispel magic may not work; you must make a dispel check to counter the other spellcaster’s spell."
draconic_swine
04-18-06, 05:10 PM A rogue using UMD could also cast a spell from a scroll or wand and use it to counterspell, as long as he knew what spell the enemy spellcaster was going to cast and had the appropriate spell. A bit difficult to do, but most definitely possible.
Suin Bahhar
04-18-06, 05:12 PM Where is this magic item from?

The PHB has the 6th level spell greater dispell magic. I presume a wand or rod of greater dispell magic wouldnt be a problem for a 12+ level mage to make.
If a rogue had a wand/staff of dispel magic, he should indeed be able to counterspell --snip--
Aha!. A rogue with wands, rods or staffs with dispell effects could use it to counter an enemy mage's spells as sure as he would be able to debuff clerics and whatnot. Thanks :)
wellofworlds
04-18-06, 05:42 PM Wands have a lvl limit of 4th lvl spells I believe
mvincent
04-18-06, 05:59 PM The PHB has the 6th level spell greater dispell magic. I presume a wand or rod of greater dispell magic wouldnt be a problem for a 12+ level mage to make.Ah. Got it. I believe you'll want a staff. Wands can only hold spells up to 4th level, and Rods are something else entirely in 3.5 (i.e. they aren't designed to hold spell charges like a wand or staff).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Suin Bahhar 04-18-06, 03:26 PM	When a rogue has maxed out use magic device could he use staffs and wands to counterspell enemy casters spells? He should not need to make a spellcraft check with a rod of greater dispelling and just ready his action on the mage and -poof- activate the rod as he tries to cast a spell and see what happens. You think it'll work?
primemover003 04-18-06, 03:37 PM	You can't use Magic items to counterspell at all...
mvincent 04-18-06, 04:34 PM	... a rod of greater dispelling...Where is this magic item from?
mvincent 04-18-06, 04:41 PM	You can't use Magic items to counterspell at all...Where did you get that information? It does not appear to be correct. If a rogue had a wand/staff of dispel magic, he should indeed be able to counterspell as normal with that: "Dispel Magic as a Counterspell You can use dispel magic to counterspell another spellcaster, and you don’t need to identify the spell he or she is casting. However, dispel magic doesn’t always work as a counterspell." From the dispel magic description (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dispelMagic.htm): "Counterspell When dispel magic is used in this way, the spell targets a spellcaster and is cast as a counterspell. Unlike a true counterspell, however, dispel magic may not work; you must make a dispel check to counter the other spellcaster’s spell."
draconic_swine 04-18-06, 05:10 PM	A rogue using UMD could also cast a spell from a scroll or wand and use it to counterspell, as long as he knew what spell the enemy spellcaster was going to cast and had the appropriate spell. A bit difficult to do, but most definitely possible.
Suin Bahhar 04-18-06, 05:12 PM	Where is this magic item from? The PHB has the 6th level spell greater dispell magic. I presume a wand or rod of greater dispell magic wouldnt be a problem for a 12+ level mage to make. If a rogue had a wand/staff of dispel magic, he should indeed be able to counterspell --snip-- Aha!. A rogue with wands, rods or staffs with dispell effects could use it to counter an enemy mage's spells as sure as he would be able to debuff clerics and whatnot. Thanks :)
wellofworlds 04-18-06, 05:42 PM	Wands have a lvl limit of 4th lvl spells I believe
mvincent 04-18-06, 05:59 PM	The PHB has the 6th level spell greater dispell magic. I presume a wand or rod of greater dispell magic wouldnt be a problem for a 12+ level mage to make.Ah. Got it. I believe you'll want a staff. Wands can only hold spells up to 4th level, and Rods are something else entirely in 3.5 (i.e. they aren't designed to hold spell charges like a wand or staff).