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Nimrod2501
07-26-07, 09:31 AM Hi,

I'm playing D&D 3.5 in german language, so sorry if i describe some rules not with the appropriate words.

My question is, can a wizzard like all warriors disturb another wizzard by doing damage to him with a spell (e.g. a magic missile). I know you can counter any spell with a dispel magic, but I dont mean counter a spell, but to break the concentration of a wizzard by hurting him with a spell right while he is speaking the spell, so he must make a concentration check?
WinDReiN
07-26-07, 09:54 AM Yes, you can; for example, if you readed to cast a spell on a wizard when he starts casting. But the opposing caster is still entitled to a concentration check.
Nimrod2501
07-26-07, 10:21 AM Thanks for the answer!

Can you please discribe your answer.

Is this rule like the same in the 3.0er version?
I know in 3.0 you have part actions instead of standart actions but does the system functions the same way?

Where (e-mail-Adress) can I place my Question directly to the Wizzard-Team, to get the highest opinion?

Thanx in advance!
Kouk
07-26-07, 10:29 AM This is covered in the Concentration skill description, and more thoroughly in the Magic chapter about Concentration.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#injury

Injury

If while trying to cast a spell you take damage, you must make a Concentration check (DC 10 + points of damage taken + the level of the spell you’re casting). If you fail the check, you lose the spell without effect. The interrupting event strikes during spellcasting if it comes between when you start and when you complete a spell (for a spell with a casting time of 1 full round or more) or if it comes in response to your casting the spell (such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the spell or a contingent attack, such as a readied action).

If you are taking continuous damage half the damage is considered to take place while you are casting a spell. You must make a Concentration check (DC 10 + ½ the damage that the continuous source last dealt + the level of the spell you’re casting). If the last damage dealt was the last damage that the effect could deal then the damage is over, and it does not distract you.

Repeated damage does not count as continuous damage.

It doesn't matter what the cause of the damage was, you must make a Concentration check when you are damaged or else you lose the spell.
tarkin
07-26-07, 10:58 AM To do this, you need to do one of the following:

a. Be attacking a wizard that is casting a full round (or longer) spell, such as Summon Monster. This does not include Sorcerors using a metamagic standard action spell.

b. Have readied an action to attack him while he is casting.

c. Be using an attack spell with a duration of at least one round.

If I simply cast magic missile on someone, then my magic missile hits him, he takes damage and THEN begins to cast a spell, with no concentration check needed.
NobodyRemembersThis
07-26-07, 11:11 AM I didn't think so at first, but Tarkin is 100% correct.
Nimrod2501
07-27-07, 06:30 AM First thanks a lot for answering! :)

Only to point out my own opinion of this question, I think all of you are exactly right!

The only problem here is my master, who thinks you can't disturb a wizzart with a ready action. The arguments I may use are his, and I search arguments against his.

@Kouk: But isn't a contingent "attack" only with a weapon possible? Whats the deffinition of an attack?
(for example hit-roll)

(such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the spell or a contingent attack, such as a readied action).

Can someone please tell me an e-mail-adress to the officials from D&D Rules?
NobodyRemembersThis
07-27-07, 09:33 AM You can ready a standard action, a move action, or a free action. You can ready an attack against a spellcaster with the trigger "if she starts casting a spell." If you damage the spellcaster, she may lose the spell she was trying to cast (as determined by her Concentration check result).It doesn't say melee attack, it says "attack". That means any attack (spells included). Does this help?

And don't bother emailing the Sage or CustServ; both are frequently incorrect. The boards provides better information.
Nimrod2501
07-27-07, 10:07 AM @NobodyRemembersThis

I know it doesn't say melee! There are also ranged attacks possible ;)

If an spell is also an attack, where can i find this?
This would help.

I don't want to get an answer from Sage or CustServ because of I want to get the right answer, I know the right answer! ;)

I want the answer because I need the authoroty for convincing my master.

So, if you can give me their E-Mail-Adresses or other channels to get in contact with them I would be very pleased.

Thanks in advance!
tarkin
07-27-07, 11:09 AM If a spell is an attack it will say so in the description.

Usually it will say Touch attack or a ranged touch attack, though very rarely they will use another wording.
Fabius Maximus
07-27-07, 11:14 AM Nimrod, try page 170 in the (english) PHB. Under Concentration (injury), it says: Getting hurt or being affected by hostile magic while trying to cast a spell can break your concentration and ruin the spell.
Kouk
07-27-07, 02:09 PM So, if you can give me their E-Mail-Adresses or other channels to get in contact with them I would be very pleased.

Thanks in advance!

http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=489&p_created=1111777678&p_sid=rmm6RFHi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHN vcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD03NjgsNzY4JnBfcHJvZHM 9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2h fdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U 9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

Click on the "Email Us" link and then you have to sign up with them. Then you use drop-down menus to select RPGs/D&D/Rules Questions or something like that, you should be able to figure it out.

Customer Service for rules is basically a bunch of guys who look at the books and try to come up with an answer for you. Sometimes their answers conflict depending on which person it is answering, but I don't think they can give different answers on this question.
Nimrod2501
07-28-07, 03:14 AM @Kouk: And where can I ask a question to the "almighty" sage?

@Fabius Maximus: Right, but my DM says that this applys only to the Spells with one full round spell, and not for a spell with one action.
Fabius Maximus
07-28-07, 09:45 AM @Kouk: And where can I ask a question to the "almighty" sage?

@Fabius Maximus: Right, but my DM says that this applys only to the Spells with one full round spell, and not for a spell with one action.
Sorry guys, but I obviously have to explain in german.

Nimrod: Den Sage kannst Du erreichen, wenn Du Kouks Link anklickst und dort oben links "Email us" auswählst.

Aber Du kannst Deinem DM auch gerne von mir ausrichten, dass er ein Idiot ist. Oder gib ihm die URL von diesem Thread.

Eine vorbereitete Aktion kommt einer Standardaktion gleich. Das steht, verdammtnochmal, in den Regeln. Die meisten Sprüche sind Standardaktionen. Wenn Du also in diesem Fall nicht Schlaf oder einen der Beschwörungszauber verwenden willst, dann kannst Du die vorbereitete Aktion benutzen, um einen Zauber auszusprechen.

Sag ihm einfach, er soll sich das Spielerhandbuch nochmal vornehmen und es diesmal vollständig lesen.

Das ist ja nicht zum Aushalten!
Nimrod2501
07-28-07, 09:57 AM Du sprichst mir aus der Seele, was das nicht mehr aushalten angeht. Ich denke ich weiß auch jetzt wo der Denkfehler von ihm liegt. Er hat im Spielerhandbuch im Kapitel Magie die beiden Absätze unter Konzentration: "Verwundung2 und "Magie sprechen" nicht logisch voneinander getrennt, und so diesen Mixmax draus gemacht.
Ich denke aber schon, dass er es letztendlich einsehen wird. Er ist trotsdem immer sehr bemüht, die richtigen Regeln zu finden.

Thanks all of you for answering! :)

I think my questions are answerd. :cool:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nimrod2501 07-26-07, 09:31 AM	Hi, I'm playing D&D 3.5 in german language, so sorry if i describe some rules not with the appropriate words. My question is, can a wizzard like all warriors disturb another wizzard by doing damage to him with a spell (e.g. a magic missile). I know you can counter any spell with a dispel magic, but I dont mean counter a spell, but to break the concentration of a wizzard by hurting him with a spell right while he is speaking the spell, so he must make a concentration check?
WinDReiN 07-26-07, 09:54 AM	Yes, you can; for example, if you readed to cast a spell on a wizard when he starts casting. But the opposing caster is still entitled to a concentration check.
Nimrod2501 07-26-07, 10:21 AM	Thanks for the answer! Can you please discribe your answer. Is this rule like the same in the 3.0er version? I know in 3.0 you have part actions instead of standart actions but does the system functions the same way? Where (e-mail-Adress) can I place my Question directly to the Wizzard-Team, to get the highest opinion? Thanx in advance!
Kouk 07-26-07, 10:29 AM	This is covered in the Concentration skill description, and more thoroughly in the Magic chapter about Concentration. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#injury Injury If while trying to cast a spell you take damage, you must make a Concentration check (DC 10 + points of damage taken + the level of the spell you’re casting). If you fail the check, you lose the spell without effect. The interrupting event strikes during spellcasting if it comes between when you start and when you complete a spell (for a spell with a casting time of 1 full round or more) or if it comes in response to your casting the spell (such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the spell or a contingent attack, such as a readied action). If you are taking continuous damage half the damage is considered to take place while you are casting a spell. You must make a Concentration check (DC 10 + ½ the damage that the continuous source last dealt + the level of the spell you’re casting). If the last damage dealt was the last damage that the effect could deal then the damage is over, and it does not distract you. Repeated damage does not count as continuous damage. It doesn't matter what the cause of the damage was, you must make a Concentration check when you are damaged or else you lose the spell.
tarkin 07-26-07, 10:58 AM	To do this, you need to do one of the following: a. Be attacking a wizard that is casting a full round (or longer) spell, such as Summon Monster. This does not include Sorcerors using a metamagic standard action spell. b. Have readied an action to attack him while he is casting. c. Be using an attack spell with a duration of at least one round. If I simply cast magic missile on someone, then my magic missile hits him, he takes damage and THEN begins to cast a spell, with no concentration check needed.
NobodyRemembersThis 07-26-07, 11:11 AM	I didn't think so at first, but Tarkin is 100% correct.
Nimrod2501 07-27-07, 06:30 AM	First thanks a lot for answering! :) Only to point out my own opinion of this question, I think all of you are exactly right! The only problem here is my master, who thinks you can't disturb a wizzart with a ready action. The arguments I may use are his, and I search arguments against his. @Kouk: But isn't a contingent "attack" only with a weapon possible? Whats the deffinition of an attack? (for example hit-roll) (such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the spell or a contingent attack, such as a readied action). Can someone please tell me an e-mail-adress to the officials from D&D Rules?
NobodyRemembersThis 07-27-07, 09:33 AM	You can ready a standard action, a move action, or a free action. You can ready an attack against a spellcaster with the trigger "if she starts casting a spell." If you damage the spellcaster, she may lose the spell she was trying to cast (as determined by her Concentration check result).It doesn't say melee attack, it says "attack". That means any attack (spells included). Does this help? And don't bother emailing the Sage or CustServ; both are frequently incorrect. The boards provides better information.
Nimrod2501 07-27-07, 10:07 AM	@NobodyRemembersThis I know it doesn't say melee! There are also ranged attacks possible ;) If an spell is also an attack, where can i find this? This would help. I don't want to get an answer from Sage or CustServ because of I want to get the right answer, I know the right answer! ;) I want the answer because I need the authoroty for convincing my master. So, if you can give me their E-Mail-Adresses or other channels to get in contact with them I would be very pleased. Thanks in advance!
tarkin 07-27-07, 11:09 AM	If a spell is an attack it will say so in the description. Usually it will say Touch attack or a ranged touch attack, though very rarely they will use another wording.
Fabius Maximus 07-27-07, 11:14 AM	Nimrod, try page 170 in the (english) PHB. Under Concentration (injury), it says: Getting hurt or being affected by hostile magic while trying to cast a spell can break your concentration and ruin the spell.
Kouk 07-27-07, 02:09 PM	So, if you can give me their E-Mail-Adresses or other channels to get in contact with them I would be very pleased. Thanks in advance! http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=489&p_created=1111777678&p_sid=rmm6RFHi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHN vcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD03NjgsNzY4JnBfcHJvZHM 9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2h fdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U 9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1 Click on the "Email Us" link and then you have to sign up with them. Then you use drop-down menus to select RPGs/D&D/Rules Questions or something like that, you should be able to figure it out. Customer Service for rules is basically a bunch of guys who look at the books and try to come up with an answer for you. Sometimes their answers conflict depending on which person it is answering, but I don't think they can give different answers on this question.
Nimrod2501 07-28-07, 03:14 AM	@Kouk: And where can I ask a question to the "almighty" sage? @Fabius Maximus: Right, but my DM says that this applys only to the Spells with one full round spell, and not for a spell with one action.
Fabius Maximus 07-28-07, 09:45 AM	@Kouk: And where can I ask a question to the "almighty" sage? @Fabius Maximus: Right, but my DM says that this applys only to the Spells with one full round spell, and not for a spell with one action. Sorry guys, but I obviously have to explain in german. Nimrod: Den Sage kannst Du erreichen, wenn Du Kouks Link anklickst und dort oben links "Email us" auswählst. Aber Du kannst Deinem DM auch gerne von mir ausrichten, dass er ein Idiot ist. Oder gib ihm die URL von diesem Thread. Eine vorbereitete Aktion kommt einer Standardaktion gleich. Das steht, verdammtnochmal, in den Regeln. Die meisten Sprüche sind Standardaktionen. Wenn Du also in diesem Fall nicht Schlaf oder einen der Beschwörungszauber verwenden willst, dann kannst Du die vorbereitete Aktion benutzen, um einen Zauber auszusprechen. Sag ihm einfach, er soll sich das Spielerhandbuch nochmal vornehmen und es diesmal vollständig lesen. Das ist ja nicht zum Aushalten!
Nimrod2501 07-28-07, 09:57 AM	Du sprichst mir aus der Seele, was das nicht mehr aushalten angeht. Ich denke ich weiß auch jetzt wo der Denkfehler von ihm liegt. Er hat im Spielerhandbuch im Kapitel Magie die beiden Absätze unter Konzentration: "Verwundung2 und "Magie sprechen" nicht logisch voneinander getrennt, und so diesen Mixmax draus gemacht. Ich denke aber schon, dass er es letztendlich einsehen wird. Er ist trotsdem immer sehr bemüht, die richtigen Regeln zu finden. Thanks all of you for answering! :) I think my questions are answerd. :cool: