Diving Attack by jumping?! [Archive] - Wizards Community

Diving Attack by jumping?! [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mogofeiden
06-03-06, 12:41 PM Hi everyone,

I'm interested in knowing if one can qualify for a diving attack by jumping and falling the required distance.

from Races of the Wild

A dive attack works like a charge, minimum movement 30ft forward and 10ft downward. Must use a piercing weapon.

a long jump's vertical height is 0.25 of the distance thus, would a DC40 (on flat ground) long jump qualify? The jump dc's are not at stake, I'm just interested in the principle that the diving attack can be achieved through jumping. (I know that using fly is easier to achieve)

What do you think?

Regards,
Mogofeiden
MADGator
06-03-06, 02:11 PM The diving attack is meant for flying characters. So unless your character has the ability to fly, if even temporarily, the only option would be to jump down from a high ledge or something. You'd better hope your attack hits and does a lot of damage, though...enough to be worth the falling damage.

If your character can't fly, the best thing I can reccomend is taking a look at the Raptor School tactical feat in Complete Warrior.
utilitarian
06-03-06, 02:23 PM While I don't think this would apply, there is a powerful feat in the Complete Adventurer called Leap Attack which lets you do stupid high damage with power attack in combination with a leaping attack, and as a bonus it works with any kind of weapon.
Mogofeiden
06-03-06, 03:12 PM Well, this trick is just a bonus tactic for the character I'm putting together (which by the way, uses light weapons, so no power attack).

Yes, the jumper better have a good way to avoid falling damage, the DC40 long jump only has a max height of 10ft though. But, how cool would it be if it's viable? And besides it just seems logical that the diving attack shouldn't just be exclusive to flyers since the only difference between a flyer and a jumper (in this situation) is how they get out of the dive, not the ability to meet the prerequisites for it.
MADGator
06-03-06, 03:28 PM I disagree. A flyer can easily swoop over the target they are diving on. A jumper has to worry about landing on their target and falling prone, being tripped up, and that's if they are even able to clear the target. Flyers also have the advantage of not having to contort their body in odd ways to make the attack.
klode_me
06-03-06, 06:57 PM Have you ever looked at Tempest Stormwinds Lancer? (http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5436939&postcount=104&origin=)

Cheers
klode_me
Mogofeiden
06-03-06, 08:41 PM I disagree. A flyer can easily swoop over the target they are diving on. A jumper has to worry about landing on their target and falling prone, being tripped up, and that's if they are even able to clear the target. Flyers also have the advantage of not having to contort their body in odd ways to make the attack.

Like I said the main difference is how to get out of the dive (it's a weighted risk the jumper takes). Considering the jumper is able to qualify for for the prerequisites of the diving attack, shouldn't he have the option to dive attack?

This is not about custom classes, but rather if the diving attack can be an option for a jumper.
GhostStepper
06-03-06, 08:48 PM Ring of Featherfalling...best item ever. lol
Mogofeiden
06-03-06, 08:51 PM Have you ever looked at Tempest Stormwinds Lancer? (http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5436939&postcount=104&origin=)

Cheers
klode_me

Thanks for directing me to Battle Jump :D I think it'll suit the character just fine.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mogofeiden 06-03-06, 12:41 PM	Hi everyone, I'm interested in knowing if one can qualify for a diving attack by jumping and falling the required distance. from Races of the Wild A dive attack works like a charge, minimum movement 30ft forward and 10ft downward. Must use a piercing weapon. a long jump's vertical height is 0.25 of the distance thus, would a DC40 (on flat ground) long jump qualify? The jump dc's are not at stake, I'm just interested in the principle that the diving attack can be achieved through jumping. (I know that using fly is easier to achieve) What do you think? Regards, Mogofeiden
MADGator 06-03-06, 02:11 PM	The diving attack is meant for flying characters. So unless your character has the ability to fly, if even temporarily, the only option would be to jump down from a high ledge or something. You'd better hope your attack hits and does a lot of damage, though...enough to be worth the falling damage. If your character can't fly, the best thing I can reccomend is taking a look at the Raptor School tactical feat in Complete Warrior.
utilitarian 06-03-06, 02:23 PM	While I don't think this would apply, there is a powerful feat in the Complete Adventurer called Leap Attack which lets you do stupid high damage with power attack in combination with a leaping attack, and as a bonus it works with any kind of weapon.
Mogofeiden 06-03-06, 03:12 PM	Well, this trick is just a bonus tactic for the character I'm putting together (which by the way, uses light weapons, so no power attack). Yes, the jumper better have a good way to avoid falling damage, the DC40 long jump only has a max height of 10ft though. But, how cool would it be if it's viable? And besides it just seems logical that the diving attack shouldn't just be exclusive to flyers since the only difference between a flyer and a jumper (in this situation) is how they get out of the dive, not the ability to meet the prerequisites for it.
MADGator 06-03-06, 03:28 PM	I disagree. A flyer can easily swoop over the target they are diving on. A jumper has to worry about landing on their target and falling prone, being tripped up, and that's if they are even able to clear the target. Flyers also have the advantage of not having to contort their body in odd ways to make the attack.
klode_me 06-03-06, 06:57 PM	Have you ever looked at Tempest Stormwinds Lancer? (http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5436939&postcount=104&origin=) Cheers klode_me
Mogofeiden 06-03-06, 08:41 PM	I disagree. A flyer can easily swoop over the target they are diving on. A jumper has to worry about landing on their target and falling prone, being tripped up, and that's if they are even able to clear the target. Flyers also have the advantage of not having to contort their body in odd ways to make the attack. Like I said the main difference is how to get out of the dive (it's a weighted risk the jumper takes). Considering the jumper is able to qualify for for the prerequisites of the diving attack, shouldn't he have the option to dive attack? This is not about custom classes, but rather if the diving attack can be an option for a jumper.
GhostStepper 06-03-06, 08:48 PM	Ring of Featherfalling...best item ever. lol
Mogofeiden 06-03-06, 08:51 PM	Have you ever looked at Tempest Stormwinds Lancer? (http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5436939&postcount=104&origin=) Cheers klode_me Thanks for directing me to Battle Jump :D I think it'll suit the character just fine.