Bladesinger Training [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bladesinger Training [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MerrikCale
06-26-07, 10:33 PM On the one hand, the Races of Faerun bladesinger PrC states that they are usually trained singly by another bladesinger. And I quote "the concept of anything as formalized as a bladesinger school is an absurb notion to them".

On the other hand, we have the novel Bladesinger which describes the Bladesinger school.

I guess the question is: which is it? Which do you prefer and why?

Frankly, I like the RoF jedi style training technique. I find it to be more elven
SmartPaladin
06-26-07, 11:07 PM I think it's a little bit of both. Because, keep in mind, the elves in Bladesinger were all High Elves, and their one of the most orderly elves in the realms.
Diffan
06-27-07, 08:22 AM I just re-read the novel Evermeet: Island of Elves and a bladesinger school was mentioned being on the island, or if not a school, then maybe a small class devoted to the art. I actually like the novel Bladesinger and found it pretty in depth on most of the aspects of bladesong. If he elves have schools for mages and fighters, I don't think it's that hard to fathom they might teach bladesinging to a large class instead of 1 individual. Just my 2 cents.

-Diffan
Esnapand
06-27-07, 09:33 AM In the Return of the Archwizards novel trilogy Aubric Nihmedu, father of the main character Galaeron Nihmedu, a moon elven noble of Evereska was a blademajor. On the battlefield he often recognised many elves he trained himself to be bladesingers but it was never stated (or so I believe) whether he had trained them in classes or not. However I think he trained them in classes of at least small size, because the elven army of Evereska had quite a contingent of bladesingers.
MerrikCale
06-27-07, 09:47 AM so I guess what we're saying is that the authors of RoF, Eric Boyd, Matt Forbeck, and James Jacobs, messed up.
BelainDefenderofJerusalem
06-27-07, 05:43 PM or mabey those are the exceptions to the rule
GothicDan
06-27-07, 05:46 PM The majority of Bladesingers are Moon Elves. Sun Elven Bladesingers are far rarer to begin with (since they focus on one path or the other, usually, Fighter or Wizard), so the idea of an entire school of Ar'Tel-Quessir Bladesingers seems a little off-base to me.
C.R.A.F.T.
06-27-07, 07:15 PM I would think the formal schooling would precede the informal mentor/apprentice period.

This would weed out those who don't have the "right stuff".
Diffan
06-27-07, 08:05 PM The majority of Bladesingers are Moon Elves. Sun Elven Bladesingers are far rarer to begin with (since they focus on one path or the other, usually, Fighter or Wizard), so the idea of an entire school of Ar'Tel-Quessir Bladesingers seems a little off-base to me.

Agreed, but the entire island of Evermeet isn't just sun elves. I would assume most of those who entered into a bladesinging school were moon elves, something like 90% of the students.

I would think the formal schooling would precede the informal mentor/apprentice period.

This would weed out those who don't have the "right stuff".

My thoughts exactly.
GothicDan
06-27-07, 10:28 PM I was referring to the comment about the "High Elf" school in the Bladesinger novel.

And I think it's the Evermeet set that first mentioned Moon Elves were the primary practitioners of bladesong. And they are also far more Chaotic than Sun Elves. I like the original idea of bladesinging lodges, as presented in the CBOE. Sort of like the Greek "Schools" of philosophy - more schools in teaching than truly physical locales.
yarethon
06-28-07, 04:39 PM As mentioned before, there was a school of bladesingers in Evermeet.
Honestly though, I don't think Evermeet should be considered a standard elven community.
I can see in smaller settlements, or in nomadic groups , an older moon elf teaching younger elves. Maybe two at a time... or something like that..

My take on that, of course.
dragonheart
06-28-07, 09:41 PM given that evermeet (and evereska) basically mark the ancient elven ways while places like the high forest and cormathor demostrate modern elven ways you really can have it both ways. In Evermeet and Evereska there are/were true schools for bladesingers that have been around potentially since the end of the crown wars. However those are the only schools still existing - everywhere else in Faerun its a lone "master" teaching a few apprentices - or at best a "lodge" where a group of experienced bladesingers train younger bladesingers.
Lord Karsus
06-28-07, 10:20 PM -There is no such thing as a "formal Bladesinger curriculum". I'm sure that in some settlements, a single teacher teaches his/her secrets to single students at a time. In other places, where Bladesingers are more "common", teachers teach more than one student at a time.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MerrikCale 06-26-07, 10:33 PM	On the one hand, the Races of Faerun bladesinger PrC states that they are usually trained singly by another bladesinger. And I quote "the concept of anything as formalized as a bladesinger school is an absurb notion to them". On the other hand, we have the novel Bladesinger which describes the Bladesinger school. I guess the question is: which is it? Which do you prefer and why? Frankly, I like the RoF jedi style training technique. I find it to be more elven
SmartPaladin 06-26-07, 11:07 PM	I think it's a little bit of both. Because, keep in mind, the elves in Bladesinger were all High Elves, and their one of the most orderly elves in the realms.
Diffan 06-27-07, 08:22 AM	I just re-read the novel Evermeet: Island of Elves and a bladesinger school was mentioned being on the island, or if not a school, then maybe a small class devoted to the art. I actually like the novel Bladesinger and found it pretty in depth on most of the aspects of bladesong. If he elves have schools for mages and fighters, I don't think it's that hard to fathom they might teach bladesinging to a large class instead of 1 individual. Just my 2 cents. -Diffan
Esnapand 06-27-07, 09:33 AM	In the Return of the Archwizards novel trilogy Aubric Nihmedu, father of the main character Galaeron Nihmedu, a moon elven noble of Evereska was a blademajor. On the battlefield he often recognised many elves he trained himself to be bladesingers but it was never stated (or so I believe) whether he had trained them in classes or not. However I think he trained them in classes of at least small size, because the elven army of Evereska had quite a contingent of bladesingers.
MerrikCale 06-27-07, 09:47 AM	so I guess what we're saying is that the authors of RoF, Eric Boyd, Matt Forbeck, and James Jacobs, messed up.
BelainDefenderofJerusalem 06-27-07, 05:43 PM	or mabey those are the exceptions to the rule
GothicDan 06-27-07, 05:46 PM	The majority of Bladesingers are Moon Elves. Sun Elven Bladesingers are far rarer to begin with (since they focus on one path or the other, usually, Fighter or Wizard), so the idea of an entire school of Ar'Tel-Quessir Bladesingers seems a little off-base to me.
C.R.A.F.T. 06-27-07, 07:15 PM	I would think the formal schooling would precede the informal mentor/apprentice period. This would weed out those who don't have the "right stuff".
Diffan 06-27-07, 08:05 PM	The majority of Bladesingers are Moon Elves. Sun Elven Bladesingers are far rarer to begin with (since they focus on one path or the other, usually, Fighter or Wizard), so the idea of an entire school of Ar'Tel-Quessir Bladesingers seems a little off-base to me. Agreed, but the entire island of Evermeet isn't just sun elves. I would assume most of those who entered into a bladesinging school were moon elves, something like 90% of the students. I would think the formal schooling would precede the informal mentor/apprentice period. This would weed out those who don't have the "right stuff". My thoughts exactly.
GothicDan 06-27-07, 10:28 PM	I was referring to the comment about the "High Elf" school in the Bladesinger novel. And I think it's the Evermeet set that first mentioned Moon Elves were the primary practitioners of bladesong. And they are also far more Chaotic than Sun Elves. I like the original idea of bladesinging lodges, as presented in the CBOE. Sort of like the Greek "Schools" of philosophy - more schools in teaching than truly physical locales.
yarethon 06-28-07, 04:39 PM	As mentioned before, there was a school of bladesingers in Evermeet. Honestly though, I don't think Evermeet should be considered a standard elven community. I can see in smaller settlements, or in nomadic groups , an older moon elf teaching younger elves. Maybe two at a time... or something like that.. My take on that, of course.
dragonheart 06-28-07, 09:41 PM	given that evermeet (and evereska) basically mark the ancient elven ways while places like the high forest and cormathor demostrate modern elven ways you really can have it both ways. In Evermeet and Evereska there are/were true schools for bladesingers that have been around potentially since the end of the crown wars. However those are the only schools still existing - everywhere else in Faerun its a lone "master" teaching a few apprentices - or at best a "lodge" where a group of experienced bladesingers train younger bladesingers.
Lord Karsus 06-28-07, 10:20 PM	-There is no such thing as a "formal Bladesinger curriculum". I'm sure that in some settlements, a single teacher teaches his/her secrets to single students at a time. In other places, where Bladesingers are more "common", teachers teach more than one student at a time.