Gold and Shield dwarves:is there a difference [Archive] - Wizards Community

Gold and Shield dwarves:is there a difference [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Drizztrocks
05-28-07, 08:06 PM Is there a difference between gold dwarves and shield dwarves? Well, i know gold dwarves are more open to magic while shield dwarves see no use in it, shield dwarves lost there great empires while gold dwarves maintained them, and the obious skin difference. But why are they two different races? why arent they just the dwarves in the south and the dwarves in the north?

;) make a movie out of salvatore's books:)
theartistformerlyknownas
05-29-07, 03:29 PM Gold dwarves get a -2 to Dex, as opposed to the shield dwarf's -2 to Cha. The Gold Dwarves are generally more mercantile, and place more importance on wealth and family line than shield dwarves. Some might say that Gold dwarves are more cultured (which wouldn't be inaccurate) seeing as how their cousins to the north have spent most of their existence trying to survive, whilst the golds have been had the opportunity to develop a rich and lasting history and/or society.
Mad Mage
05-30-07, 12:56 AM The previous post pretty much sums it up. Hopefully this will add to it on the part of Shield Dwarves.

The northern subrace of Stout Folk tend to also be rather protective and our secretive, part of what garners their racial Charisma penalty. After having been threatened for generations by both treason (mostly during the Kin Clashes from millenia ago) and the threats of orcs, goblinoids, and hostile giantkin, Shield Dwarves have some trouble befriending non-dwarven kin, though they have been known to bond with other civilized humanoids - namely humans.

In addition, Shield Dwarves tend to have a hint of a schism amongst their numbers: those who stick around the clanhold and protect it (the Hidden), and those who adventure out for the sake of resources and the like for the sake of the clan (the Wanderers). Shield Dwarves tend towards more nonlawful alignments, especially amongst the Wanderers, though lawful-alignment Shield Dwarves aren't unheard of.

Surprisingly, Shield Dwarves tend to actually have a hint more paladins amongst their kind compared to the Gold Dwarves. This evidence comes from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (under the suggested regions category for the paladin class) and Player's Guide to Faerun.

Notable dwarf paladin orders:
1) Hammers of Moradin. These are Shield Dwarves in Citadel Adbar, primarily concerned with the protection of the city. They worship Moradin, patron of the dwarven species, and god of smithing.
2) Berronar's Valkyries. These are - primarily female Gold Dwarf - paladins that come to assist their more combat-oriented counterparts, often rescuing them in the heat of battle. As their name implies, they worship Berronar Truesilver, Moradin's wife and dwarven goddess of healing, families, courtship and marital devotion.

In short, I can say this.
Shield Dwarves: Protective, cautious, earnest.
Gold Dwarves: Haughty, sophisticated, prideful (namely over generational achievements).
Faraer
05-30-07, 06:47 AM Shield Dwarves and Gold Dwarves have been isolated from each other for 12,000 years in different physical and political circumstances. See FR11 Dwarves Deep (http://paizo.com/store/brand/forgottenRealms/roleplayingGames/2ndEdition/) for more on the differences.
The_Shaman
06-02-07, 12:42 PM Just as an additional note - with the Thunder Blessing, there has been a notable increase in the number of paladins hailing from Gold Dwarven lands. Apparently, Moradin's gift has not gone unappreciated. Oh, one more thing: there is a third, notably smaller order with a significant number of Dwarven paladins, dedicated to Clangeddin. Strangely enough, it is a mixed order also including human paladins of Selune (yes, Selune - tbh, I thought the "paladins of Sune" thing to be a typo, at first): the two deities act as joint patrons of the order. It is detailed in Champions of Valor, but I do not remember the name at the moment (and I don't have the book right now).
Mad Mage
06-05-07, 05:22 PM Strangely enough, it is a mixed order also including human paladins of Selune (yes, Selune - tbh, I thought the "paladins of Sune" thing to be a typo, at first): the two deities act as joint patrons of the order. It is detailed in Champions of Valor, but I do not remember the name at the moment (and I don't have the book right now).

Oh yes, how could I forget about the Order of the Crescent Moon? :doh:

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Drizztrocks 05-28-07, 08:06 PM	Is there a difference between gold dwarves and shield dwarves? Well, i know gold dwarves are more open to magic while shield dwarves see no use in it, shield dwarves lost there great empires while gold dwarves maintained them, and the obious skin difference. But why are they two different races? why arent they just the dwarves in the south and the dwarves in the north? ;) make a movie out of salvatore's books:)
theartistformerlyknownas 05-29-07, 03:29 PM	Gold dwarves get a -2 to Dex, as opposed to the shield dwarf's -2 to Cha. The Gold Dwarves are generally more mercantile, and place more importance on wealth and family line than shield dwarves. Some might say that Gold dwarves are more cultured (which wouldn't be inaccurate) seeing as how their cousins to the north have spent most of their existence trying to survive, whilst the golds have been had the opportunity to develop a rich and lasting history and/or society.
Mad Mage 05-30-07, 12:56 AM	The previous post pretty much sums it up. Hopefully this will add to it on the part of Shield Dwarves. The northern subrace of Stout Folk tend to also be rather protective and our secretive, part of what garners their racial Charisma penalty. After having been threatened for generations by both treason (mostly during the Kin Clashes from millenia ago) and the threats of orcs, goblinoids, and hostile giantkin, Shield Dwarves have some trouble befriending non-dwarven kin, though they have been known to bond with other civilized humanoids - namely humans. In addition, Shield Dwarves tend to have a hint of a schism amongst their numbers: those who stick around the clanhold and protect it (the Hidden), and those who adventure out for the sake of resources and the like for the sake of the clan (the Wanderers). Shield Dwarves tend towards more nonlawful alignments, especially amongst the Wanderers, though lawful-alignment Shield Dwarves aren't unheard of. Surprisingly, Shield Dwarves tend to actually have a hint more paladins amongst their kind compared to the Gold Dwarves. This evidence comes from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (under the suggested regions category for the paladin class) and Player's Guide to Faerun. Notable dwarf paladin orders: 1) Hammers of Moradin. These are Shield Dwarves in Citadel Adbar, primarily concerned with the protection of the city. They worship Moradin, patron of the dwarven species, and god of smithing. 2) Berronar's Valkyries. These are - primarily female Gold Dwarf - paladins that come to assist their more combat-oriented counterparts, often rescuing them in the heat of battle. As their name implies, they worship Berronar Truesilver, Moradin's wife and dwarven goddess of healing, families, courtship and marital devotion. In short, I can say this. Shield Dwarves: Protective, cautious, earnest. Gold Dwarves: Haughty, sophisticated, prideful (namely over generational achievements).
Faraer 05-30-07, 06:47 AM	Shield Dwarves and Gold Dwarves have been isolated from each other for 12,000 years in different physical and political circumstances. See FR11 Dwarves Deep (http://paizo.com/store/brand/forgottenRealms/roleplayingGames/2ndEdition/) for more on the differences.
The_Shaman 06-02-07, 12:42 PM	Just as an additional note - with the Thunder Blessing, there has been a notable increase in the number of paladins hailing from Gold Dwarven lands. Apparently, Moradin's gift has not gone unappreciated. Oh, one more thing: there is a third, notably smaller order with a significant number of Dwarven paladins, dedicated to Clangeddin. Strangely enough, it is a mixed order also including human paladins of Selune (yes, Selune - tbh, I thought the "paladins of Sune" thing to be a typo, at first): the two deities act as joint patrons of the order. It is detailed in Champions of Valor, but I do not remember the name at the moment (and I don't have the book right now).
Mad Mage 06-05-07, 05:22 PM	Strangely enough, it is a mixed order also including human paladins of Selune (yes, Selune - tbh, I thought the "paladins of Sune" thing to be a typo, at first): the two deities act as joint patrons of the order. It is detailed in Champions of Valor, but I do not remember the name at the moment (and I don't have the book right now). Oh yes, how could I forget about the Order of the Crescent Moon? :doh: