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Paladins of Selune [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MerrikCale
08-23-07, 08:16 PM Should they be allowed? Champions of Valor reference paladins of Selune. What do we think?
GothicDan
08-23-07, 09:37 PM Sure. But I doubt they'd be in any specific, organized orders with any sense of continental continuity. Actually, a NG or LG Heresy of Selune that reflects the moon's more predictable changes (supporting the sort of personal view you have, actually, Merrik) would be an ideal place for such paladins.
MerrikCale
08-23-07, 11:05 PM Actually, a NG or LG Heresy of Selune that reflects the moon's more predictable changes (supporting the sort of personal view you have, actually, Merrik) would be an ideal place for such paladins.

Thats why I brought it up. I was just curious as to how others think of this possiblity. As You know, I think Selune being chaotic is foolish
GothicDan
08-23-07, 11:37 PM Of course, I think all religion is foolish. ;)
bondious
08-24-07, 08:05 PM I think that if Sune (chaotic good) can sponsor paladins, then why not Selune?
MerrikCale
08-24-07, 08:36 PM Of course, I think all religion is foolish. ;)

what kind of sun elf are you?
GothicDan
08-24-07, 10:50 PM In a world in which divinities weren't easily verified, I'd see many Sun Elves becoming atheists. :)
MerrikCale
08-24-07, 10:59 PM In a world in which divinities weren't easily verified, I'd see many Sun Elves becoming atheists. :)

I always thought they were more into the Seldarine then the rest of those pointy-ears
GothicDan
08-24-07, 11:10 PM I would be too, if I lived in Abeir-Toril. Atheists, I think, ultimately believe in that which is easily verified - in Faerun, that includes the power of deities.
MerrikCale
08-24-07, 11:15 PM I would be too, if I lived in Abeir-Toril. Atheists, I think, ultimately believe in that which is easily verified - in Faerun, that includes the power of deities.

I'll give you that.

But I do like you're idea of a heresy. I may have to tinker with that
GothicDan
08-24-07, 11:33 PM You do that. I approve of it, so it must be.
Valgard
08-27-07, 03:29 PM Turning back to the original question in the thread, I say that a paladin may choose Selûne (CG original dogma, pull heresies apart) only if he belongs to said order (the Crescent Moon order).
MerrikCale
08-27-07, 09:43 PM Turning back to the original question in the thread, I say that a paladin may choose Selûne (CG original dogma, pull heresies apart) only if he belongs to said order (the Crescent Moon order).

there was an old order of paladins I believe
The_Shaman
08-28-07, 04:24 AM Should they be allowed? Champions of Valor reference paladins of Selune. What do we think?

I'd say why not. There are enough aspects of Selune's dogma and history that might seem appealing to a paladin, especially one who has reasons to oppose the clergy of Shar. It might not be as organized as the paladin orders of Tyr and Torm, and - Crescent Moon aside - such paladins might not be a part of an order at all, instead being travelling warriors who have received Selune's blessing and draw powers from her. I think the Waterdeep book has an elf paladin/sorcerer with the Moon Knight? PrC, so he may even be an example of that. Conceptually, perhaps just as paladins of Sune protect what is pure and beautiful, paladins of Selune strive to bring light into the darkness, just like their patron. Or should it be matron?
MerrikCale
08-28-07, 10:06 AM I'd say why not. There are enough aspects of Selune's dogma and history that might seem appealing to a paladin, especially one who has reasons to oppose the clergy of Shar. It might not be as organized as the paladin orders of Tyr and Torm, and - Crescent Moon aside - such paladins might not be a part of an order at all, instead being travelling warriors who have received Selune's blessing and draw powers from her. I think the Waterdeep book has an elf paladin/sorcerer with the Moon Knight? PrC, so he may even be an example of that. Conceptually, perhaps just as paladins of Sune protect what is pure and beautiful, paladins of Selune strive to bring light into the darkness, just like their patron. Or should it be matron?

the character you are referring to is a paladin of Mystra
capnvan
08-29-07, 03:11 AM the character you are referring to is a paladin of Mystra

I happened to be flipping through City of Splendors last night and noticed the Order of the Blue Moon (pp.44-45), the order of Selûnite/Mystran paladins. The final note in the description is:

"Note that only Mystra allows paladins in her service."

Of course, there is the completely contradictory information in CoV, which appears in a number of places.

But, in Faith & Pantheons, Selûne, unlike so many of the other good deities, lacks any description of paladins under the Clergy & Temples section.

Sounds like you should just decide for yourself. It is your campaign, after all. If they work for you, super...
GothicDan
08-29-07, 06:19 AM I think there's something still to be said by that statement.

For instance, it was established that Tempus had no Paladin orders dedicated to him (none mentioned in previous lore, as well as the alignment). But Ed's story had one, and as he said, one doesn't need to be formally accepted into the clergy at large (since there aren't even universal, set-in-stone guidelines throughout the Realms for many/most churches) to serve as a Paladin of that religion.
MerrikCale
08-29-07, 10:25 AM plus, you have the problem of older editions having said paladins
GothicDan
08-30-07, 12:39 PM By 'older editions,' I assume you mean Netheril? I wouldn't try to use anything in that supplement as a strong reference for suitability.
MerrikCale
08-30-07, 07:50 PM By 'older editions,' I assume you mean Netheril? I wouldn't try to use anything in that supplement as a strong reference for suitability.

Actually, I meant 2e but thats only because Netheril book was 2e, I think

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MerrikCale 08-23-07, 08:16 PM	Should they be allowed? Champions of Valor reference paladins of Selune. What do we think?
GothicDan 08-23-07, 09:37 PM	Sure. But I doubt they'd be in any specific, organized orders with any sense of continental continuity. Actually, a NG or LG Heresy of Selune that reflects the moon's more predictable changes (supporting the sort of personal view you have, actually, Merrik) would be an ideal place for such paladins.
MerrikCale 08-23-07, 11:05 PM	Actually, a NG or LG Heresy of Selune that reflects the moon's more predictable changes (supporting the sort of personal view you have, actually, Merrik) would be an ideal place for such paladins. Thats why I brought it up. I was just curious as to how others think of this possiblity. As You know, I think Selune being chaotic is foolish
GothicDan 08-23-07, 11:37 PM	Of course, I think all religion is foolish. ;)
bondious 08-24-07, 08:05 PM	I think that if Sune (chaotic good) can sponsor paladins, then why not Selune?
MerrikCale 08-24-07, 08:36 PM	Of course, I think all religion is foolish. ;) what kind of sun elf are you?
GothicDan 08-24-07, 10:50 PM	In a world in which divinities weren't easily verified, I'd see many Sun Elves becoming atheists. :)
MerrikCale 08-24-07, 10:59 PM	In a world in which divinities weren't easily verified, I'd see many Sun Elves becoming atheists. :) I always thought they were more into the Seldarine then the rest of those pointy-ears
GothicDan 08-24-07, 11:10 PM	I would be too, if I lived in Abeir-Toril. Atheists, I think, ultimately believe in that which is easily verified - in Faerun, that includes the power of deities.
MerrikCale 08-24-07, 11:15 PM	I would be too, if I lived in Abeir-Toril. Atheists, I think, ultimately believe in that which is easily verified - in Faerun, that includes the power of deities. I'll give you that. But I do like you're idea of a heresy. I may have to tinker with that
GothicDan 08-24-07, 11:33 PM	You do that. I approve of it, so it must be.
Valgard 08-27-07, 03:29 PM	Turning back to the original question in the thread, I say that a paladin may choose Selûne (CG original dogma, pull heresies apart) only if he belongs to said order (the Crescent Moon order).
MerrikCale 08-27-07, 09:43 PM	Turning back to the original question in the thread, I say that a paladin may choose Selûne (CG original dogma, pull heresies apart) only if he belongs to said order (the Crescent Moon order). there was an old order of paladins I believe
The_Shaman 08-28-07, 04:24 AM	Should they be allowed? Champions of Valor reference paladins of Selune. What do we think? I'd say why not. There are enough aspects of Selune's dogma and history that might seem appealing to a paladin, especially one who has reasons to oppose the clergy of Shar. It might not be as organized as the paladin orders of Tyr and Torm, and - Crescent Moon aside - such paladins might not be a part of an order at all, instead being travelling warriors who have received Selune's blessing and draw powers from her. I think the Waterdeep book has an elf paladin/sorcerer with the Moon Knight? PrC, so he may even be an example of that. Conceptually, perhaps just as paladins of Sune protect what is pure and beautiful, paladins of Selune strive to bring light into the darkness, just like their patron. Or should it be matron?
MerrikCale 08-28-07, 10:06 AM	I'd say why not. There are enough aspects of Selune's dogma and history that might seem appealing to a paladin, especially one who has reasons to oppose the clergy of Shar. It might not be as organized as the paladin orders of Tyr and Torm, and - Crescent Moon aside - such paladins might not be a part of an order at all, instead being travelling warriors who have received Selune's blessing and draw powers from her. I think the Waterdeep book has an elf paladin/sorcerer with the Moon Knight? PrC, so he may even be an example of that. Conceptually, perhaps just as paladins of Sune protect what is pure and beautiful, paladins of Selune strive to bring light into the darkness, just like their patron. Or should it be matron? the character you are referring to is a paladin of Mystra
capnvan 08-29-07, 03:11 AM	the character you are referring to is a paladin of Mystra I happened to be flipping through City of Splendors last night and noticed the Order of the Blue Moon (pp.44-45), the order of Selûnite/Mystran paladins. The final note in the description is: "Note that only Mystra allows paladins in her service." Of course, there is the completely contradictory information in CoV, which appears in a number of places. But, in Faith & Pantheons, Selûne, unlike so many of the other good deities, lacks any description of paladins under the Clergy & Temples section. Sounds like you should just decide for yourself. It is your campaign, after all. If they work for you, super...
GothicDan 08-29-07, 06:19 AM	I think there's something still to be said by that statement. For instance, it was established that Tempus had no Paladin orders dedicated to him (none mentioned in previous lore, as well as the alignment). But Ed's story had one, and as he said, one doesn't need to be formally accepted into the clergy at large (since there aren't even universal, set-in-stone guidelines throughout the Realms for many/most churches) to serve as a Paladin of that religion.
MerrikCale 08-29-07, 10:25 AM	plus, you have the problem of older editions having said paladins
GothicDan 08-30-07, 12:39 PM	By 'older editions,' I assume you mean Netheril? I wouldn't try to use anything in that supplement as a strong reference for suitability.
MerrikCale 08-30-07, 07:50 PM	By 'older editions,' I assume you mean Netheril? I wouldn't try to use anything in that supplement as a strong reference for suitability. Actually, I meant 2e but thats only because Netheril book was 2e, I think