Quaggoth ? Dragon blood subtype? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Quaggoth ? Dragon blood subtype? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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soulthief
05-19-07, 08:31 PM Anyone know what the racial bonus for a quaggoth would be? Dragonblood subtype, do half -dragons, draconic creatues, spawn of tiamat are all these dragon blood subtype and does the rage of dragons curse effect dragonblood subtypes?
Dielzen
05-20-07, 09:12 AM Anyone know what the racial bonus for a quaggoth would be?
Racial bonus for....what?
Stats? Base are STR18, DEX11, CON15, INT7, WIS12, CHA10 - So +6 Str, +4 Con, +2 Wis, -4 Int
Skills? Some get a +2 to Hide in shadowy areas
Level Adjustment? +2
Effective Character Level? 5th

Dragonblood subtype, do half -dragons, draconic creatues, spawn of tiamat are all these dragon blood subtype and does the rage of dragons curse effect dragonblood subtypes?
No effect.
Lord Karsus
05-22-07, 12:14 AM Dragonblood subtype, do half -dragons, draconic creatues, spawn of tiamat are all these dragon blood subtype and does the rage of dragons curse effect dragonblood subtypes?

-Though there is no official answer (that I am aware of), I would rule that the Dracorage Mythal would effect such creatures, but in a limited way. Maybe giving them a penalty to CHA checks, for being all grumpy, or something to that effect.
Dielzen
05-22-07, 08:30 AM Well, the "official" answer is the epic spell located in the Dragons of Faerun sourcebook, and it states that it does affect dragonbloods.

However, in both recent dracorages, no mention is made of any unusual occurances with any creatures other than dragons, so you have contradictory information. Lore wins over crunch.
Lord Karsus
05-22-07, 11:45 AM However, in both recent dracorages, no mention is made of any unusual occurances with any creatures other than dragons, so you have contradictory information. Lore wins over crunch.

-That's simply because nothing in the Year of the Rogue Dragons trilogy featured any of these creatures. In one of the two Realms of the Dragons anthologies, a Dragon Turtle was featured falling ill to the rage. While they are Dragons, they are not traditional Dragons, like the creatures featured above.
Borris
05-23-07, 10:38 PM That's because dragon turtles have the dragon type. In the novels, we see plenty of landwyrms and drakes affected by the rage, and neither family of creatures are true dragons.

Though we don't have examples of this, I'd rule half-dragons to be affected by the rage, as they also have the dragon type. Creatures with the dragonblood subtype are a different matter. They never have the dragon type, so I wouldn't have them enter the rage. They may get mor grumpy or irritable than usual, but this wouldn't have any mechanical impact. Otherwise, you'd have tens of thousands of kobolds raging throughout the Realms.

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soulthief 05-19-07, 08:31 PM	Anyone know what the racial bonus for a quaggoth would be? Dragonblood subtype, do half -dragons, draconic creatues, spawn of tiamat are all these dragon blood subtype and does the rage of dragons curse effect dragonblood subtypes?
Dielzen 05-20-07, 09:12 AM	Anyone know what the racial bonus for a quaggoth would be? Racial bonus for....what? Stats? Base are STR18, DEX11, CON15, INT7, WIS12, CHA10 - So +6 Str, +4 Con, +2 Wis, -4 Int Skills? Some get a +2 to Hide in shadowy areas Level Adjustment? +2 Effective Character Level? 5th Dragonblood subtype, do half -dragons, draconic creatues, spawn of tiamat are all these dragon blood subtype and does the rage of dragons curse effect dragonblood subtypes? No effect.
Lord Karsus 05-22-07, 12:14 AM	Dragonblood subtype, do half -dragons, draconic creatues, spawn of tiamat are all these dragon blood subtype and does the rage of dragons curse effect dragonblood subtypes? -Though there is no official answer (that I am aware of), I would rule that the Dracorage Mythal would effect such creatures, but in a limited way. Maybe giving them a penalty to CHA checks, for being all grumpy, or something to that effect.
Dielzen 05-22-07, 08:30 AM	Well, the "official" answer is the epic spell located in the Dragons of Faerun sourcebook, and it states that it does affect dragonbloods. However, in both recent dracorages, no mention is made of any unusual occurances with any creatures other than dragons, so you have contradictory information. Lore wins over crunch.
Lord Karsus 05-22-07, 11:45 AM	However, in both recent dracorages, no mention is made of any unusual occurances with any creatures other than dragons, so you have contradictory information. Lore wins over crunch. -That's simply because nothing in the Year of the Rogue Dragons trilogy featured any of these creatures. In one of the two Realms of the Dragons anthologies, a Dragon Turtle was featured falling ill to the rage. While they are Dragons, they are not traditional Dragons, like the creatures featured above.
Borris 05-23-07, 10:38 PM	That's because dragon turtles have the dragon type. In the novels, we see plenty of landwyrms and drakes affected by the rage, and neither family of creatures are true dragons. Though we don't have examples of this, I'd rule half-dragons to be affected by the rage, as they also have the dragon type. Creatures with the dragonblood subtype are a different matter. They never have the dragon type, so I wouldn't have them enter the rage. They may get mor grumpy or irritable than usual, but this wouldn't have any mechanical impact. Otherwise, you'd have tens of thousands of kobolds raging throughout the Realms.