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Hanali-in-Love 12-15-07, 02:05 AM	Hey people, I don't have my books with me at the moment and I was wondering what the difference is between class abilities of the Raumathari battlemage and the Spellsword PRC's. I know they both have pretty much the same abilities in most aspects, but what the exact particulars are I can't remember. Can anyone please tell me (besides fluff) what is similar and what is different between the two PRC's??
Stigger 12-15-07, 06:49 AM	Lets see... Raumathari Battlemage- 10 level class *) Increased caster level for all levels but 5th. *) Sword Focus lets them substitute a particular sword for a lot material components under 50gp value when used as a focus, also get +1 to their caster level with spells cast with the sword as a focus. *) Channel Spell lets them cast a spell through their sword as a free action, up to 4th level and 4 times per day at 9th level. *) Battle Spell lets them apply level-dependant metamagic effects to their spells without increasing casting times, up to 6 times per day at 10th level. *) They get a +1 to save DCs when using their sword focus at 5th level. Spellsword- 10 level class *) Increased caster level at odd numbered levels for 1/2 CL progression. *) Ignore Spell Failure (from armor obviously) increases as they progress to a maximum of 30% at 9th level. *) Bonus metamagic or fighter feat at 2nd level *) Channel Spell up to 5 times per day at 8th level, at 10th level they can channel two spells into their melee weapon, which takes up 2 daily uses. Hope that helps. :)
Hanali-in-Love 12-15-07, 11:50 AM	Wow, I had forgotten how powerful the Raumathari battlemage is. Either Spellsword is under powered, or Raumathari is simply too powerful. What's your opinion Stigger?
Stigger 12-15-07, 12:01 PM	Spellsword is underpowered as far as I'm concerned, but I'm always going to say that about a 1/2 caster progression PrC, so... ;)
Hanali-in-Love 12-15-07, 12:33 PM	Spellsword is underpowered as far as I'm concerned, but I'm always going to say that about a 1/2 caster progression PrC, so... ;) I don't mind half caster level if the abilities are good enough to level the PRC out. I always thought that Raumathari battlemage was the realms version of Spellsword, but just pumped up.
Stigger 12-15-07, 04:00 PM	half caster bugs me for some reason. Although honestly, the ability to ignore spell failure for armor is a very compelling reason to go with a spellsword.
sfdragon 12-15-07, 05:19 PM	nah the battlemage is the realms version of the EK, just better off. imo the spellsword's ability to ignore the asf isnt all that worth it,even if you can walkaround in mythral full plate.
Hanali-in-Love 12-15-07, 08:51 PM	What is the difference in BAB between the two? are they the same?
sfdragon 12-16-07, 04:24 AM	the EK has full bab and the RBM has 3/4 bab.... RBM requires exotic weapon profiency weaponfocus bastard, combat casting and any one meta magic feat. EK requires must be able to cast lvl 3 spells and be proficient in all melee weapons.
Sitara 12-16-07, 04:25 AM	The ruamathari gets 'good' BAB if I recall correctly. Its alo my favortie dndn PRC of all time. :) The sweet thing about the RB is the metamagic feats they get; they don't miss much by foregoing wizard levels. Channel spell is also wicked. :D
Hanali-in-Love 12-16-07, 12:54 PM	Sorry, I was wondering the BAB bewteen RBM and spellsword.
Stigger 12-16-07, 04:22 PM	Spellsword uses a Figher BAB progression, RBM uses a Cleric BAB progression.
Hanali-in-Love 12-16-07, 10:39 PM	Lets see... Raumathari Battlemage- 10 level class *) Increased caster level for all levels but 5th. *) Sword Focus lets them substitute a particular sword for a lot material components under 50gp value when used as a focus, also get +1 to their caster level with spells cast with the sword as a focus. *) Channel Spell lets them cast a spell through their sword as a free action, up to 4th level and 4 times per day at 9th level. *) Battle Spell lets them apply level-dependant metamagic effects to their spells without increasing casting times, up to 6 times per day at 10th level. *) They get a +1 to save DCs when using their sword focus at 5th level. Spellsword- 10 level class *) Increased caster level at odd numbered levels for 1/2 CL progression. *) Ignore Spell Failure (from armor obviously) increases as they progress to a maximum of 30% at 9th level. *) Bonus metamagic or fighter feat at 2nd level *) Channel Spell up to 5 times per day at 8th level, at 10th level they can channel two spells into their melee weapon, which takes up 2 daily uses. Hope that helps. :) What's the highest spell level the SS can cast through her weapon?
Stigger 12-17-07, 04:04 AM	Just says any spell that they can cast, so presumably there's no limit on the level. Could have been errata that said otherwise though, never looked at it though as its never come up for me.
Hanali-in-Love 12-17-07, 12:23 PM	That's right, I forgot that you can cast any spell level through the sword you want as long as you are high enough level and know the spell. That's pretty powerful. Thanks!
Stigger 12-17-07, 03:49 PM	No problem. Never actually considered just how powerful Spellswords were... food for thought that one.
Green Elven Vampire 12-17-07, 09:33 PM	No problem. Never actually considered just how powerful Spellswords were... food for thought that one. The abilities for RBM are much better, but being able to cast spells of any level through your sword makes the Spellsword a mighty opponent.
Stigger 12-18-07, 12:51 AM	That was my general assessment as well actually. Never really considered the Spellsword as all that attractive until today was my point there.
Green Elven Vampire 12-19-07, 10:13 AM	It's a big difference from the 3ED Spellsword in Tome and Blood.
Stigger 12-19-07, 07:06 PM	Heh, very true.
Sitara 12-21-07, 12:02 PM	The only bad thing about the good ol' Raumathari battlemage is its rather sad HD. (i.e. a d4)*. So yah, you better have a lotta mage armors in your level 1 slots. But still one of the best, if not the best prc's, right up there with archmage. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20030413c&pf=true *no wonder the RBm shows a troll in the class entry. That regen can be useful eh, when the goin' gets tuff. Oh and as for the spellsword, its cooler than a fighter, but still weak. It doesn't matter how cool its channel spell is when the highest level spell you can cast is 4 or so. So if you gotta go, go for the RBM, the Fearsome Evokers of Old Raumathar!
Green Elven Vampire 12-21-07, 02:01 PM	The only bad thing about the good ol' Raumathari battlemage is its rather sad HD. (i.e. a d4)*. So yah, you better have a lotta mage armors in your level 1 slots. But still one of the best, if not the best prc's, right up there with archmage. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20030413c&pf=true *no wonder the RBm shows a troll in the class entry. That regen can be useful eh, when the goin' gets tuff. Oh and as for the spellsword, its cooler than a fighter, but still weak. It doesn't matter how cool its channel spell is when the highest level spell you can cast is 4 or so. So if you gotta go, go for the RBM, the Fearsome Evokers of Old Raumathar! I agree, just wish it was a more generic PRC for use in any region.
Stigger 12-21-07, 02:58 PM	Nothing says you can't make it such really... beyond your DM anyway.
sfdragon 12-22-07, 04:45 AM	yeah you could say that Raumathari is nothing more than a faerunwide guild. you could mind you make the SS and RBM a bit more off by adding the 5 lvls of Abjurant Champion