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Brand_X 01-27-08, 09:59 AM	The Star Elf's Otherworldly Touch states you can confer Ghost touch on your armor and weapon. It also states that (BUT) it lasts as long as you hold/touch the weapon or armor. This seems to me that it confers for example in the case of leather armor a permanent Ghost touch if you never take off the armor. Which is possible considering the rules about light armor not reducing your rest. The weapon would lose the Ghost touch because no matter what you do you are going to sheath or release the weapon eventually. OR does it ONLY confer this ability at night. It seems to me that this second option almost makes the ability useless. I looked in the UE errata and could find no clarification to it. Also as I said I searched here and on Google for answers and not matter how I jumbled or otherwise tried for keywords I could not surface any articles on this issue. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
mustafathered 01-27-08, 02:20 PM	Only at night by RAW. Even odds whether it is only at night while outdoors from fluff.
Lord Karsus 01-27-08, 03:29 PM	-Only at Twilight, actually, but close enough.
Brand_X 01-27-08, 06:57 PM	Just to Clarify, Otherworld Touch (SU): Between sunset and sunrise a star elf confers the ghost touch ability on any melee weapon she wields and any armor she wears, but only so long as she keeps the weapon in hand of wears the armor. Star elves have a magical affinity for starlight that gives them an unusual edge in fighting extradimensional foes. By the wording and clauses the way the ability is written you could argue both ways. What I see that is this. 1: The ability can only be confered between sunset and sunrise. There is no qualifier as to inside or outside nor is there a qualifier for when at night you can confer the ghost touch ability. 2: There is no statement of how often so I would think this means at will, though with the Caveat that is a standard action. 3: The wording after the BUT is what brings me to believe that once the Ghost Touch is conferred it only ends when possesion is ended. I do not see this as any more potent than most other abilities that difference races have. Also with the consideration that it is only useful in a few cases as opposed to being useful like a basic +1 on a weapon. 4: Ghost Touch Armor is a +3 Enchantment and would cost a base of 9000 GP. While it is a +1 on a Weapon which is a 2000 gp base. For a level 1 character that is a lot BUT when is the last time an Incorporeal Monster was encountered by a level 1 character. That is what I see. I was hoping for some RAW or even a specific statement from the rules team on this. Lord Karsus if you can point to where it says only at Twilight I would appreciate it.
Lord Karsus 01-27-08, 10:45 PM	Lord Karsus if you can point to where it says only at Twilight I would appreciate it. -Twilight is the period of time when the sun is either rising or setting, and the moon is rising: Dawn and Dusk. It is during dawn and dawn that this ability manifests itself.
Brand_X 01-28-08, 05:28 PM	It still seems to me that the statement after the BUT is vague. Since that is a qualifier it could mean either only during the night or as long as you maintain the criteria of wearing the armor and holding the weapon.
mustafathered 01-28-08, 07:44 PM	If BrandX correctly entered the racial ability text, I read it as at night and during periods of civil twilight (civil twilight being the times of day when there is light to see but the sun is still below the horizon). In this case, I would have no problem with the PC wearing light armor tell me that in general they activate this ability on their armor just as the sun drops under the horizon - they would still need to take the standard action for a weapon if they draw one, but the armor could be considered always on at the appropriate times unless an encounter is ongoing just as the sun sets.
Dankan 02-01-08, 02:23 AM	Where can i find info and stats about star elves?
Lord Karsus 02-01-08, 01:58 PM	Where can i find info and stats about star elves? -Unapproachable East and Elves of Faerūn.
Brand_X 02-07-08, 07:55 PM	I would like to point out if you look real close at the pictures of the star elves in UE that you will see the little lights are just connected to a tiara/gold ring around their heads and are NOT part of their physical makeup.
Saefal 02-16-08, 03:00 PM	The act of conferring the ghost touch on the weapons and armor is not an action. It is a state or quality in effect at that time. You will note that the entry does not say a star elf CAN confer it it merely states they do. As soon as they grasp a weapon or don a suit of armor it is 'ghost touch' as long as it is night time. Night time is clearly defined in the DMG as the hours between sunset and sunrise on the plane you are on. This means that being underground or indoors makes no difference at all. So to simplify as soon as the sun goes down the Star Elf's weapon and armor become ghost touch. Should he drop it it is no longer Ghost touch but as soon as he picks it back up it is again. It is ghost touch based off the state of being in the star elf's possession.