Temple Raiders of ????? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Temple Raiders of ????? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DavidB
07-16-07, 01:49 PM If one wanted to modify the Temple Raider of Olidammara from Complete Divine to be usable in the Forgotten Realms setting, which God would you use to replace Olidammara?

I know Mask could be an obvious choice but what about Oghma? They could be used to help keep certain knowledge from others.
MarkusTay63
07-16-07, 02:55 PM Ohgma would be the perfect choice, but I would have this group be part of 'secret society' within the main church. Just such a group is used, and is the MAIN machination, of the novel Blackstaff.

Basically, small cells of agents 'liberate' hidden knowledge from Wizards, and I suppose it would be possible to include priesthoods in that (hence the main church disavoying ANY knowledge of this group).
Borris
07-16-07, 11:57 PM Well, in the Living Greayhawk campaign, you can play a Temple Raider of Brandobaris, Erevan Ilesere, Kuroth, Lirr, Lydia, Norebo, Olidammara, Shargaas, Vecna, Vergadain, Vhaeraun, and Zagyg.

I've put the name of Fearūnian deities in bold. Looks like there's no readon why there couldn't be Temple Raiders of more than one faith. Non-racial deities that would fit, in my opinion, are Mask, Oghma, Nephthys, Set, Tymora, Beshaba, and even Shar. They do say in Complete Divine that any deity of rogues, thieves, or secret could be a patron for Temple Raiders.
Zanan
07-17-07, 06:02 AM That's the problem with most "Core" books. They give you tons of info and detail, but for lack in adaptation rules - official adaptation rules that is - for other settings. Thus, it needs web articles like those of Eytan Bernstein to Realmsify classes or prestige classes, which can obviously only happen in a limited extend. :(
The_Shaman
07-17-07, 07:53 AM I would peg Mask or Tymora as the most likely among the universal pantheon, with Brandobaris closely behind.
Green Elven Vampire
07-17-07, 10:55 AM One of my favorite PC's ever is a Copper elf Rogue 7/ Tempest 5/ Temple Raider of Erevan Ilesere 10. At 22'nd level he was wicked indeed!!

The best bets are rogue deities.
Aaron Highcolor
07-17-07, 11:51 AM I would peg Mask or Tymora as the most likely among the universal pantheon, with Brandobaris closely behind.

I agree. The first 2 names that popped into my mind were Mask and Tymora.
Fabius Maximus
07-17-07, 04:38 PM That's the problem with most "Core" books. They give you tons of info and detail, but for lack in adaptation rules - official adaptation rules that is - for other settings. Thus, it needs web articles like those of Eytan Bernstein to Realmsify classes or prestige classes, which can obviously only happen in a limited extend. :(

Well, it is part of the fun in the games is to do this for yourself. Where would we be if we only used what the authors cooked up?
Green Elven Vampire
07-17-07, 05:29 PM I agree. The first 2 names that popped into my mind were Mask and Tymora.

Tymora the Halfling goddess, or Tymora the human goddess??
Zanan
07-18-07, 03:21 AM Well, it is part of the fun in the games is to do this for yourself. Where would we be if we only used what the authors cooked up?

In my games, I have no problems with cooking and mixing and changing. :D
The_Shaman
07-18-07, 04:41 AM Tymora the Halfling goddess, or Tymora the human goddess??

I think there is only one Tymora. She is afaik a "general" goddess; halflings say she is a halfling goddess who assumes a humanlike form for a wider appeal, but afaik she is not a member of the racial pantheon. It could be that the halflings are just spinning a yarn - her closest affiliation to the halfling deities that I know of is her on-and-off fling with Brandobaris.
Fabius Maximus
07-18-07, 08:03 AM In my games, I have no problems with cooking and mixing and changing. :D
That's why I wondered about your complaint. ;)
Zanan
07-18-07, 10:11 AM That's why I wondered about your complaint. ;)

Because designers may be hesitant to use Greyhawk/Core stuff for a certain setting unless there is at least a hint somewhere saying that the PrC exists thereabouts. No wonder that you find relatively few non-FR PrC in FR products, where e.g. the Temple Raider would be well suited.

BTW, off to the Gate!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DavidB 07-16-07, 01:49 PM	If one wanted to modify the Temple Raider of Olidammara from Complete Divine to be usable in the Forgotten Realms setting, which God would you use to replace Olidammara? I know Mask could be an obvious choice but what about Oghma? They could be used to help keep certain knowledge from others.
MarkusTay63 07-16-07, 02:55 PM	Ohgma would be the perfect choice, but I would have this group be part of 'secret society' within the main church. Just such a group is used, and is the MAIN machination, of the novel Blackstaff. Basically, small cells of agents 'liberate' hidden knowledge from Wizards, and I suppose it would be possible to include priesthoods in that (hence the main church disavoying ANY knowledge of this group).
Borris 07-16-07, 11:57 PM	Well, in the Living Greayhawk campaign, you can play a Temple Raider of Brandobaris, Erevan Ilesere, Kuroth, Lirr, Lydia, Norebo, Olidammara, Shargaas, Vecna, Vergadain, Vhaeraun, and Zagyg. I've put the name of Fearūnian deities in bold. Looks like there's no readon why there couldn't be Temple Raiders of more than one faith. Non-racial deities that would fit, in my opinion, are Mask, Oghma, Nephthys, Set, Tymora, Beshaba, and even Shar. They do say in Complete Divine that any deity of rogues, thieves, or secret could be a patron for Temple Raiders.
Zanan 07-17-07, 06:02 AM	That's the problem with most "Core" books. They give you tons of info and detail, but for lack in adaptation rules - official adaptation rules that is - for other settings. Thus, it needs web articles like those of Eytan Bernstein to Realmsify classes or prestige classes, which can obviously only happen in a limited extend. :(
The_Shaman 07-17-07, 07:53 AM	I would peg Mask or Tymora as the most likely among the universal pantheon, with Brandobaris closely behind.
Green Elven Vampire 07-17-07, 10:55 AM	One of my favorite PC's ever is a Copper elf Rogue 7/ Tempest 5/ Temple Raider of Erevan Ilesere 10. At 22'nd level he was wicked indeed!! The best bets are rogue deities.
Aaron Highcolor 07-17-07, 11:51 AM	I would peg Mask or Tymora as the most likely among the universal pantheon, with Brandobaris closely behind. I agree. The first 2 names that popped into my mind were Mask and Tymora.
Fabius Maximus 07-17-07, 04:38 PM	That's the problem with most "Core" books. They give you tons of info and detail, but for lack in adaptation rules - official adaptation rules that is - for other settings. Thus, it needs web articles like those of Eytan Bernstein to Realmsify classes or prestige classes, which can obviously only happen in a limited extend. :( Well, it is part of the fun in the games is to do this for yourself. Where would we be if we only used what the authors cooked up?
Green Elven Vampire 07-17-07, 05:29 PM	I agree. The first 2 names that popped into my mind were Mask and Tymora. Tymora the Halfling goddess, or Tymora the human goddess??
Zanan 07-18-07, 03:21 AM	Well, it is part of the fun in the games is to do this for yourself. Where would we be if we only used what the authors cooked up? In my games, I have no problems with cooking and mixing and changing. :D
The_Shaman 07-18-07, 04:41 AM	Tymora the Halfling goddess, or Tymora the human goddess?? I think there is only one Tymora. She is afaik a "general" goddess; halflings say she is a halfling goddess who assumes a humanlike form for a wider appeal, but afaik she is not a member of the racial pantheon. It could be that the halflings are just spinning a yarn - her closest affiliation to the halfling deities that I know of is her on-and-off fling with Brandobaris.
Fabius Maximus 07-18-07, 08:03 AM	In my games, I have no problems with cooking and mixing and changing. :D That's why I wondered about your complaint. ;)
Zanan 07-18-07, 10:11 AM	That's why I wondered about your complaint. ;) Because designers may be hesitant to use Greyhawk/Core stuff for a certain setting unless there is at least a hint somewhere saying that the PrC exists thereabouts. No wonder that you find relatively few non-FR PrC in FR products, where e.g. the Temple Raider would be well suited. BTW, off to the Gate!