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Green Elven Vampire 01-17-07, 03:28 AM	In our campaign I DM, there are several elves. I would like to turn one of them into a Shade (template), but I want to do so without them knowing that they will turn into one. I would like some ideas if you don't mind. Obviously, there will be no dark arts and rituals involved. Just kinda like, "Zap" you've just turned into a Shade. Thanks!
theartistformerlyknownas 01-17-07, 04:19 AM	The Shade template was originally created by the Shadovar, and is only given to human Arcanists from the City of Shade. I imagine you'd have to worship Shar to even get the template, so an elf Shade would be highly unlikely, and it certainly wouldn't happen by coincidence. If you're adamant on the idea, however, an excursion into the Plane of Shadow, (and subsequent possession of said character by a Shadow Demon, and/or undead) should suit your needs.
Green Elven Vampire 01-17-07, 04:25 AM	The Shade template was originally created by the Shadovar, and is only given to human Arcanists from the City of Shade. I imagine you'd have to worship Shar to even get the template, so an elf Shade would be highly unlikely, and it certainly wouldn't happen by coincidence. If you're adamant on the idea, however, an excursion into the Plane of Shadow, (and subsequent possession of said character by a Shadow Demon, and/or undead) should suit your needs. (spoiler) . . . . . . . . . . But Erevis Cale was unknowingly turned into a Shade, and he's certainly not a Shadovar. Plus a Shade was first created back in 1ED as a seperate race in MM2 and follows very closely to the Shadovar. Plus Hadrhune is an elf. The Plane of shadow is along the lines of what I'm thinking, but I don't know how he/she would just stumble into being a Shade.
theartistformerlyknownas 01-17-07, 03:36 PM	But Erevis Cale was unknowingly turned into a Shade, and he's certainly not a Shadovar. Plus a Shade was first created back in 1ED as a seperate race in MM2 and follows very closely to the Shadovar. Plus Hadrhune is an elf. The Plane of shadow is along the lines of what I'm thinking, but I don't know how he/she would just stumble into being a Shade. Ah, point taken. I never read the Everis Cale trilogy (perhaps I should pick it up) and I had forgotten that Hadrhune was an elf. It would be interesting to see hear the story of how he turned away from the worship of the Seldarine for Shar and the promise of the Shadow Weave. Another idea is a "cursed" Shadow Weave item that grants the template while it's being held, and forces the character to make a Fortitude and Will save (in secret) to prevent from gaining the template permanately, and shifting one alignment step closer to evil. It will allow the player the choice, in a sense, to not become a Shade and/or evil if they didn't want to, and they will, of course, keep the template so long as they keep the item. I'd also suggest the DC's for the saves increase every tenday they possess the item until they either shift alignment (Will Save) or gain the Template permanately (Fort save). Suggested Item: cloak, ring, robe/vestment, mask.
The Simbul 01-17-07, 04:42 PM	The player should be given a choice as to whether or not they are going to become a Shade. Unwillingly gaining a +4 to +5 level adjustment for a template that only functions 1/2 the time (ALL benefits of the template vanish in bright light or the radius of a daylight spell), without any possibility for a reversal or a warning, would be enough for me to either abandon the character, or to simply walk out of the game. Players are allowed to create their characters, and make choices for their advancement for a reason...its because no one is going to waste six hours of their life on a weekly basis pretending to be a character they have no desire to play.
DreamStalker 01-17-07, 04:51 PM	A pact with some fine print. Immersed in the essence of the plane of Shadow, such as being stuck halfway through a portal, or in some form of planar whirlpool. Exposure to an artifact. Some sort of magical calamity happening in the region of a Shadow Node. Someone steals his soul (such as Trap the Soul) and hides it in the Plane of Shadow. When the party recovers the stone and return the soul to the elf's body the elf is now a shade. A botched sacrifice. Divine intervention by Shar, Mask, Loth, Vhaerun, Set or any other deity of darkness or shadow. It should be noted that while Shadow Weave is something of a Shar specialty, shadow magic in general is something of specialty for more than just her. Also, the Netherese were not the only ones to have created Shades. The city of Shade is just the largest population of them and only known organization of Shades. Other Shades come across the ritual in individual studies.
GothicDan 01-18-07, 03:20 PM	Normally I'm not the type who is the "let players do whatever they want" guy. But I agree with Simbul, here. Players should feel that the actions of their characters have at least some control over their lives (or that their chosen deities are looking out for them, in their own special ways). At the very least, you could try to talk out a 'general idea' with the player to see if he/she was okay with it, without spelling out exactly what was going on. And if you want the Shade more for flavor options than powers, just cut out a lot of the crap and lower the LA.
LittleCarp04 01-19-07, 02:31 PM	another way to go about it would be depending on the character class. Wizard: finds a new spell (obviously some sort of darkness spell) and while playing around with it, casts it not knowing it is truly a spell to switch your blood with shadowstuff. and now he has to quest to try and devise or find a way to get switched back. Melee character: similar to artemis entreri, give them a item that is cursed, with vampirism, and have him un knowingly kill a shade viola a shade. OR my favorite method (and the method my char used when he became a shade) was to deal with a NPC for a quest and be promised a great reward. unbeknowst to the chars, the NPC is a Great Wyrm shadow dragon wanting to try out his new spell to create shades, but it must be a person wanting the spell to be cast, so when the party finishes the quest and asks for the reward, that qualifies for a request, and he becomes a shade.
DreamStalker 01-19-07, 05:22 PM	Actuallyl I agreee with the Simbul's points too. Unless this is a temporary alteration that would disappear at the end of a session or two I would ask to make sure the players are up for this.
Lord Karsus 01-19-07, 07:34 PM	Ah, point taken. I never read the Everis Cale trilogy (perhaps I should pick it up) and I had forgotten that Hadrhune was an elf. It would be interesting to see hear the story of how he turned away from the worship of the Seldarine for Shar and the promise of the Shadow Weave. -Firstly, yes, you should pick up the Erevis Cale Trilogy, and it's sucessor, the Twilight War Trilogy. Secondly, Hadrhune might have simply been lying, to gain the trust of Galaeron.
Green Elven Vampire 01-19-07, 10:48 PM	-Firstly, yes, you should pick up the Erevis Cale Trilogy, and it's sucessor, the Twilight War Trilogy. Secondly, Hadrhune might have simply been lying, to gain the trust of Galaeron. It was Telemont who told Galaeron, not Hadrhune. ;)
Lord Karsus 01-19-07, 11:37 PM	It was Telemont who told Galaeron, not Hadrhune. ;) -Well, either way, the Shadovar are a slippery bunch, and are not to be trusted more than they can be punted.
GlitterboyUSA_G10 01-20-07, 01:10 AM	I don't really agree with the Simbul cause Artemis Entreri didn't have a choice. When he killed that Shade Assassin he became a shade. Remember the DM creates the story, now if you flat out told your players that i am turning one of you into a shade then yeah i wouldn't stand for it, but if part of your story is one of your elves becoming a shade then go for it. Make it seem like an accident, curse etc.... The Shade template is awesome, as long you are not directly in the sun or really bright light then you have awesome powers. If your group likes to travel at night, through forests, underground then he would have those benefits, but also remember that when your powers are present you take on that shadowy image that the others would find unerving. Curses are a part of a D&D campaign no matter if your players like it or not. This can be looked at in the same way.
Dxzauvrinn 01-20-07, 01:10 AM	In Heroes of Horror there's a section that gives horror scenarios for different campaign settings. In the horror Realms scenario the rift to the Plane of Shadow created when the city of Shade recently appeared never closed and starts effecting the surrounding environment by warping wildlife into shadow creatures and causing humanoids in the area to give birth to shades. Maybe the elf in your campaign was born in this area (making him a shade from birth) and as he's maturing he begins to slowly discover his shade powers. Or, he could have spent a substantial amount of time in this area and has, like the flora and fauna, been "infected" with the shadowstuff leaking from the Plane of Shadow. You could represent him slowly gaining his shade powers by allowing him to gain levels in the shade monster class presented in Dragon 322 instead of his normal class.
DreamStalker 01-20-07, 03:29 PM	I don't really agree with the Simbul cause Artemis Entreri didn't have a choice. When he killed that Shade Assassin he became a shade. Remember the DM creates the story, now if you flat out told your players that i am turning one of you into a shade then yeah i wouldn't stand for it, but if part of your story is one of your elves becoming a shade then go for it. Make it seem like an accident, curse etc.... The Shade template is awesome, as long you are not directly in the sun or really bright light then you have awesome powers. If your group likes to travel at night, through forests, underground then he would have those benefits, but also remember that when your powers are present you take on that shadowy image that the others would find unerving. Curses are a part of a D&D campaign no matter if your players like it or not. This can be looked at in the same way. Artemis Entreri isn't a PC. He's a character in a set of novels. There are different conventions that apply to novel stories and RPG stories. Most games I would be perfectly fine with this sort of thing happening to me, yet I enjoy most of these types of stories. Not everyone does. One of my friends ran a V:tM game I played in, and one of the things he did was systematically destroy every players' backgrounds. In the course of the first session we went from power brokers to hobos on the run and that was going to be the focus for the rest of the story. Not that such a story was a bad idea, but it wasn't what we came to the table for. DM heavy handedness in terms of character direction should be up front at the beginning of a story, not mid-play, so the players have the option to join in or not.
Lord Karsus 01-20-07, 11:24 PM	I don't really agree with the Simbul cause Artemis Entreri didn't have a choice. When he killed that Shade Assassin he became a shade. -We don't neccessarily know that Entreri is a Shade. He became something more than a Human, but that's all.
GlitterboyUSA_G10 01-21-07, 02:10 AM	-We don't neccessarily know that Entreri is a Shade. He became something more than a Human, but that's all. Entreri is a shade.
GlitterboyUSA_G10 01-21-07, 02:15 AM	Artemis Entreri isn't a PC. He's a character in a set of novels. There are different conventions that apply to novel stories and RPG stories. Most games I would be perfectly fine with this sort of thing happening to me, yet I enjoy most of these types of stories. Not everyone does. One of my friends ran a V:tM game I played in, and one of the things he did was systematically destroy every players' backgrounds. In the course of the first session we went from power brokers to hobos on the run and that was going to be the focus for the rest of the story. Not that such a story was a bad idea, but it wasn't what we came to the table for. DM heavy handedness in terms of character direction should be up front at the beginning of a story, not mid-play, so the players have the option to join in or not. Yeah and you can't go into a game thinking that it is going to go the way you want it to. If a game is going to go the way you want it then why play? A true gamer will take what happens to his character and keep going. Thats what adds flavor to a character. If the DM wants one to be a shade he could have the side affect of an item turn him into one or a powerful curse. See what you are missing is you have knowledge of this DM wanting to turn one of his players into a Shade. Now, if you are playing and you have no idea then thats different. What if you lose a limb in a game and can't get it back are you going to quit? If you are a two-weapon fighter and you burn all of your feats into two-weapon fighting and you lose your arm are you going to quit? That changes the whole concept of your character. Think about it.
GothicDan 01-21-07, 02:56 AM	So you're saying, "Sure, I'll play!" and learn ALL of the character creation rules of a game, just to "be okay" with the DM killing your character, resurrecting him as a different race, gender, class, and level, with a different alignment? D&D is a COOPERATIVE story. What you suggest is more like an author writing a book and his editor simply changing huge things about the characters. It happens, but that doesn't mean the author will ever hire that editor again. And what you described is almost entirely a mechanical case. The first character I played as a Rogue Fairy Elf, who lost 3 of his fingers in a failed trap, on like the second gaming session. It didn't affect my character's CONCEPT.
DreamStalker 01-21-07, 08:21 AM	Yeah and you can't go into a game thinking that it is going to go the way you want it to. If a game is going to go the way you want it then why play? A true gamer will take what happens to his character and keep going. Thats what adds flavor to a character. If the DM wants one to be a shade he could have the side affect of an item turn him into one or a powerful curse. See what you are missing is you have knowledge of this DM wanting to turn one of his players into a Shade. Now, if you are playing and you have no idea then thats different. What if you lose a limb in a game and can't get it back are you going to quit? If you are a two-weapon fighter and you burn all of your feats into two-weapon fighting and you lose your arm are you going to quit? That changes the whole concept of your character. Think about it. So I am not a true gamer because I put a great deal of effort into a character and some DMs don't care and completely disregard my effort? No offense, but if I am specifically given the impression of a social political game and devote 8 hours to crafting up a complex character deeply embedded in the supposed campaign we are using, then yes, I get a little upset that the game was REALLY a on the run through the sewers with absolutely zero ability to deal with any chalenges that come my way as I watch the unfolding story of just how badass the DM/GM/ST/whatevers favorite villian is. I am fine with a campaign changing pace, or even odd things happening to my character. I personally would be okay with the supposed shade change happening in the middle of a long term campaign with most of my PCs. However my point is not everyone is. Everyone comes to these games with ideas of what they want to do. Some of us put great effort into our characters. We want to play those characters in the situations that arise. Shade is a major change in a character. It is not just a situation, it affects psychology physiology interactions and the very nature of a character's existence. Which are reasons why I would personally enjoy that with most of my past characters. Yet let us face it. Not everyone is happy with such enforced drastic changes. Both the players and the DM should be served in a game. Not one or the other.
theartistformerlyknownas 01-21-07, 02:47 PM	All this isn't to say that the change need be permanent, mind you... ;)
Lord Karsus 01-21-07, 08:19 PM	Entreri is a shade. -Well, since he's never been officially given D&D stats (And I know how much you love those) that say he is a Shade, he must, therefore, not be a Shade. You cannot be something and it's opposite at the same time. -But, all kidding aside, no, Entrei is not a Shade. Unless it was specifically stated in Road of the Patriarch (Which I am refusing to buy in harcover for $26.00, when I can get it in paperback for $6.99), the mystery of what has happened to Entreri is still up in the air. He is more than Human, but he is less than a Shade.
Green Elven Vampire 01-21-07, 10:38 PM	Are there any Shadow Weave items listed in any source books??
Lord Karsus 01-21-07, 11:06 PM	Are there any Shadow Weave items listed in any source books?? -Um...Magic of Faerūn has the rules, I think.
Dxzauvrinn 01-22-07, 12:09 AM	Magic of Faerun has the helm of darkness, which is the evil shadow weave version of the helm of brilliance. There's also that shadow weave girdle that a drow priestess of Shar has in the ruins of Ched Nasad listed in the Underdark accessory.
BloodofNumenor 01-23-07, 09:42 PM	-Well, since he's never been officially given D&D stats (And I know how much you love those) that say he is a Shade, he must, therefore, not be a Shade. You cannot be something and it's opposite at the same time. -But, all kidding aside, no, Entrei is not a Shade. Unless it was specifically stated in Road of the Patriarch (Which I am refusing to buy in harcover for $26.00, when I can get it in paperback for $6.99), the mystery of what has happened to Entreri is still up in the air. He is more than Human, but he is less than a Shade. It does not specifically state that. It hints at an extended life, but says nothing finite about it.
Lord Karsus 01-23-07, 11:24 PM	It does not specifically state that. It hints at an extended life, but says nothing finite about it. -I know. That was what I was getting at. His exact status is up in the air, and is still a mystery.
Evergreen_Aldaron 01-24-07, 09:38 AM	-Well, since he's never been officially given D&D stats (And I know how much you love those) that say he is a Shade, he must, therefore, not be a Shade. You cannot be something and it's opposite at the same time. -But, all kidding aside, no, Entrei is not a Shade. Unless it was specifically stated in Road of the Patriarch (Which I am refusing to buy in harcover for $26.00, when I can get it in paperback for $6.99), the mystery of what has happened to Entreri is still up in the air. He is more than Human, but he is less than a Shade. Entreri is not a shade in the full sense. he absorbed some shade essence, but is not completely converted. Road of the Patriarch does not even address it from what I can remember. I think Salvatore may use it as a vehicle to prolong Entreri's life (hence more books, more interaction with Drizzt, etc.) because Entreri is human. I am also sure that the shades will continue after him for the same reasons they have been (don't want to give too much away for those who haven't read the series....) EA
Ehput_Keh 01-24-07, 05:03 PM	Here's one I am surprised no one else mentioned. Have the group meet a wizard(or some sort of spell caster) that uses shadow magic. Have them help him(perhaps he is a shade) fight some phaerim, in the process they learn that their magic isn't affecting the phaerim. So the wizard offers to teach them the magic but warn's about the corruptive influence it has. If you haven't recognized this is what happened to Gallaeron with Melegaunt. Now Gallaeron isn't a Shade yet, but if he continues to use the magic he eventually will be. This would I think satisfy Simbul and Gothic Dan, in that the characters have a choice. They can learn the magic and possibly succumb to the seductive lure of the Shadow, or they can refuse. Another one is they can accept the invitation to learn and try to fight off the lure(which could make for some fun rping) perhaps with some will save to resist using shadow magic(like in stressfull situations in battle) that would increase the save dc everytime they use it without being corrupted. I think it is safe to say that at least one of the Elves would jump at the chance to learn the magic, satisfing your desire though it might be slow, but the roleplaying would be interesting. On another note the creature/s need not be phaerim(with so obvious a tie to what happened in the novels) but something that has high magic resistance or even magic absorbtion, like the phaerim. Maybe some creature that the shades found while in the plane of shadow(you would probably have to create something). Anyway's there it is.
XunValDorl of HouseKilsek 01-25-07, 06:41 PM	I believe he is truly a shade, but what Salvatore will do is have his powers come out as the books go along. The Sellswords book on the Witch mentions his current state a lot.
Lord Karsus 01-25-07, 07:32 PM	I believe he is truly a shade, but what Salvatore will do is have his powers come out as the books go along. The Sellswords book on the Witch mentions his current state a lot. -Both Promise of the Witch-King and Road of the Patriarch mention it a lot, because it is a rather startling development in the rather boring Entreri's life. The source of the debate about it, though, is that he is not exibiting the powers of a normal Shade, but we know he is more than Human. Thus, as far as we know, he is not a Shade, but, at the same time, he is not a Human anymore. He is somewhere in-between. He is (pun intended), a shade of gray, right now.
CainJustice 02-01-07, 07:19 AM	-Well, since he's never been officially given D&D stats (And I know how much you love those) that say he is a Shade, he must, therefore, not be a Shade. You cannot be something and it's opposite at the same time. -But, all kidding aside, no, Entrei is not a Shade. Unless it was specifically stated in Road of the Patriarch (Which I am refusing to buy in harcover for $26.00, when I can get it in paperback for $6.99), the mystery of what has happened to Entreri is still up in the air. He is more than Human, but he is less than a Shade. Check the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting...Entreri's D&D Stats are there
Lord Karsus 02-01-07, 09:17 AM	Check the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting...Entreri's D&D Stats are there -I was talking about since the incident in the Realms of Shadow short story, but, you're right, it wasn't too clear.
Green Elven Vampire 02-06-07, 06:41 PM	What if the said elf casted the spell "Kiss of the vampire" and drained the lifesource of a shade cleric of Shar or a shadovar shade wizard? Would he then become a shade?
LittleCarp04 02-06-07, 10:50 PM	if you want him to. Thats the answer. espcially with the onyl "real" way to become a shade (RAW IMO) is through the shadovar, basically anything you want to work will.
Lord Karsus 02-06-07, 11:37 PM	What if the said elf casted the spell "Kiss of the vampire" and drained the lifesource of a shade cleric of Shar or a shadovar shade wizard? Would he then become a shade? -Sure, why not? That's more or less what happened to Entreri. Of course, because of the Elven Bond, and Elven Communion and all that, it might take a couple of repeated "uses", as the Elven soul seems a little more hardy to me than that of an ordinary Human. -The only problem with that scenario is...Why is an Elf dabbling in necromancy?
Green Elven Vampire 02-06-07, 11:50 PM	-Sure, why not? That's more or less what happened to Entreri. Of course, because of the Elven Bond, and Elven Communion and all that, it might take a couple of repeated "uses", as the Elven soul seems a little more hardy to me than that of an ordinary Human. -The only problem with that scenario is...Why is an Elf dabbling in necromancy? Easy enough... The said star elf stumbled onto the Shadow Weave through the study of the subschool of Shadows, and has since become a shadow adept who is still learning the facts behind this new weave. Heck he doesn't even know why the servants of Shar are hounding him and trying to destroy him as of yet. I thought the idea of him turning into a Shade by accident would further make a good PC hook for him. So he knows several Necro spells prior to being a shadow adept, and has picked up one more since becoming one. I guess he has always felt that to deal with the undead he needed to learn some Necro spells for good use. Does that help much?
Lord Karsus 02-06-07, 11:59 PM	Easy enough... The said star elf stumbled onto the Shadow Weave through the study of the subschool of Shadows, and has since become a shadow adept who is still learning the facts behind this new weave. Heck he doesn't even know why the servants of Shar are hounding him and trying to destroy him as of yet. I thought the idea of him turning into a Shade by accident would further make a good PC hook for him. So he knows several Necro spells prior to being a shadow adept, and has picked up one more since becoming one. I guess he has always felt that to deal with the undead he needed to learn some Necro spells for good use. Does that help much? -Yes, and no. As a general rule, beneign Elves (which includes Star Elves) abhor Necromancy. Those who practice it are shunned, if not outright slain. But, Sehanine does believe that "White Necromancy"- that is, using Necromancy for the purposes of defending an Elven realm- is tolerable.
Green Elven Vampire 02-17-07, 04:01 AM	Okay, events in our campaign are unfolding much faster than I thought it was going to. So I kinda need suggestions on a immediate/sudden transformation. It's all set up. He and his band are going to be attacked by followers of Shar (several dark moon brothers and a high level shadow cleric of Shar) But I want the star elf to somehow become a Shade through calamity or fate, or something unexpected. Any ideas?? I was leaning towards the whole Vampiric lifesource drain thingy, but decided it's too Entreri. :(
Lord Karsus 02-17-07, 07:04 PM	-Hmm...How about some kind of Shadow creature "possesses" the body of the character, giving him/her the Shadow Template (From the Manual of the Planes) temporarily, or perminently. This happened to a character of mine, only with a Fire creature instead.
Green Elven Vampire 02-17-07, 08:54 PM	-Hmm...How about some kind of Shadow creature "possesses" the body of the character, giving him/her the Shadow Template (From the Manual of the Planes) temporarily, or perminently. This happened to a character of mine, only with a Fire creature instead. That sounds like a very feasable situation indeed! I don't have the manual of the Planes, but I do have the Shadow Creature template from the last page of the 3ED adventure Into the Dragon's Lair. It's not really suited to humanoids as much as beasts and animals are. What do you think??
Lord Karsus 02-17-07, 09:01 PM	That sounds like a very feasable situation indeed! I don't have the manual of the Planes, but I do have the Shadow Creature template from the last page of the 3ED adventure Into the Dragon's Lair. It's not really suited to humanoids as much as beasts and animals are. What do you think?? -I don't have that, but the Shadow Creature Template from MotP is just a generic Shade-like template. Anything works, really.
Green Elven Vampire 02-17-07, 09:20 PM	-I don't have that, but the Shadow Creature Template from MotP is just a generic Shade-like template. Anything works, really. How does this sound to you... The shadow weave cleric of Shar will be a Shade, and I'm looking to possibly have her transform the Star elf by accident. Now, how could/would a Shadow Creature possess the star elf and so give her the Shade Template? Possibly a Shadow Wight draining her life force? What about having the Shade shadow cleric stab the star elf with a shadow weapon and thus turn her into a shade somehow? Maybe being healed by a shade shadow cleric and so infused with shadowstuff and turned into a Shade by mistake?
Lord Karsus 02-17-07, 09:28 PM	How does this sound to you... The shadow weave cleric of Shar will be a Shade, and I'm looking to possibly have her transform the Star elf by accident. Now, how could/would a Shadow Creature possess the star elf and so give her the Shade Template? Possibly a Shadow Wight draining her life force? What about having the Shade shadow cleric stab the star elf with a shadow weapon and thus turn her into a shade somehow? Maybe being healed by a shade shadow cleric and so infused with shadowstuff and turned into a Shade by mistake? -I'll use the example I noted before, since this did happen to a character of mine. Here's what happened: We were fighting a bunch (5) of creatures we believed were smallish Fire Elementals (Think Bombs, from the Final Fantasy Series). The party made "quick work" of all of them, except for one. My character (Fighter/Sorcerer) was the one who landed the final blow. As it began to fade away, the flames that it was made up of entered into my character's mouth, and "possessed" him. Basically, what my DM did was, when my character became very stressed in some way, he rolled a die. If I passed, nothing happened. If I failed, the "other" side of my character came out. It was a CN version of my LN character, with the Fire Creature template attached. -For your purposes, how about when the Shade dies, his form becomes misty shadowstuff, and it is inhaled (accidentally or not) by the character you want to have turned into a Shade. After he swallow it, he slowly gets Shade abilities, one by one, and he slowly starts changing attitude, until he eventually is a full blown Shade. Of course, feel free to edit/change that at any point, since this is your game, here.
LittleCarp04 02-17-07, 11:21 PM	have the sharran cleric summon a nightshadow or nightwalker whatever they are called (undead from plane of shadow) and either have it possess, or greivously wound said character, or like karsus said, some sort of death curse, or keep in mind that depening on the DM alot of higher lvl devils/demons are allowed to do death curses (in ours they are) and you could have some wierd circumstance where their death curse "You will always be in darkness light lover!!" will make you a shade.
Green Elven Vampire 08-01-07, 04:28 AM	Very excellent ideas everyone!!!
Boda 08-01-07, 08:43 PM	Entreri is a Shade? Where is that said? Not on any RAS book. The only thing that is sad about is that he had is life span slightly extended, but that's all. Maybe elfs learn about shadow weave and want to create a order of shadow weave elfs. Didnt some of them turned themselves into sea elf in Evermeet?
Lord Karsus 08-01-07, 08:45 PM	Very excellent ideas everyone!!! -Talk about a time lag. ;)
Drew1369r 08-01-07, 10:15 PM	I didn't even see the dates until you posted the time lag comment LK... interesting
Lord Karsus 08-02-07, 12:03 AM	Entreri is a Shade? Where is that said? Not on any RAS book. The only thing that is sad about is that he had is life span slightly extended, but that's all. -Read the assorted conversations on the topic above. I didn't even see the dates until you posted the time lag comment LK... interesting -Yeah, you gotta keep your eyes open around here, what, with the scum and villainy that hangs around these parts. ;)
Beaver 08-02-07, 12:57 AM	However you decide to turn him into a shade, in fairness of him, drop the level adjustment. In most of my campaigns we believe its fair to drop the LA all together. You have either worked hard to gain a template (chosen), or done so by accident (lychanthropy)..., either way I do not believe you should add a LA.
Green Elven Vampire 08-10-07, 08:22 PM	Okay, this particular group has just now gotten around to this campaign again. Here's what were going to do... The enemies: Duchess of Venom - female human Vampire Cleric 15/ Divine Disciple 2 of Shar (from Lords of Darkness - Night Masks) Esvele Greycastle - female human Cleric 8/ Shadow Adept 5 of Shar (Lords of Darkness) Kurdric Blankeye - male human Rogue 4/ Assassin 6 Vlardin Vestmaul - male Gold half elf Wizard 6/ Assassin 8 Giraldus - Male Shade Wizard 10/ Shadow Adept 5 (lords of Darkness) Basically the Rogues of the Laughing Twilight will be stalked and ambushed in and out of Silverymoon and Everlund where they have their guild bases. Once the major confrontation begins the Vampire cleric of Shar will bring forth a Nightshade and all attention will be placed on the groups Shadowdancer and Shadow Adept. Shar demands their capture or death.