CHARON'S CLAW OFFICIALLY STATED!! [Archive] - Wizards Community

CHARON'S CLAW OFFICIALLY STATED!! [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dxzauvrinn
09-01-07, 10:36 PM If you guys want to see Artemi's Entreri's deadly blade officially stated, pick up the final issue of Dragon magazine.
I won't reveal them here, but I must say, to me the stats left much to be desired.
MarkusTay63
09-02-07, 08:59 PM Well, its not like they had to please the customers or anything.... :rolleyes:
White_Wizard
09-04-07, 11:31 AM Indeed I think the actually had to :P
Derren S.
09-05-07, 04:02 AM If you guys want to see Artemi's Entreri's deadly blade officially stated, pick up the final issue of Dragon magazine.
I won't reveal them here, but I must say, to me the stats left much to be desired.

What? Isn't it the ultimate super uber weapon you expected?
The Simbul
09-08-07, 01:31 AM Seeing how their is not a "smoking" weapon ability in the Dungeon Master's Guide, it would have been nice if they included a (parenthetical) notation or superscript abbreviation indicating exactly where the ability is detailed.

As for whether or not it lives up to expectations, I think I would gladly see an underwhelming statistical interpretation of the weapon in an official source than have to skim through dozens of topics pondering or espousing unofficial interpretations in the Combat, Arms, and Armor section of the FR boards....seriously there are at least three threads devoted to his melee weapons on the first page alone.

Of course, it would be even better if novel authors created the in-game equivalents of people/places/things featured in their novels themselves (or in concert with a game designer) in the first place.
Shemeska the Marauder
09-08-07, 02:06 PM I won't reveal them here, but I must say, to me the stats left much to be desired.

Word limit. Very harsh word limit. For each of those entries I had to compromise between the crunch portion and actually being able to fit in enough relevant detail in the fluff section about them, and inevitably one of them would suffer at the expense of the other. Had I had more space, I would have included more history and I'd have done a more expansive block for Charon's Claw, but the format didn't allow for that.

Usually the guys at Paizo have been incredibly gracious on letting us slide a few more words in, but in this case, it wasn't ultimately possible and I had to mince words.

I could have easily written triple the word count for my portions of that "top 20 villains" article, but there's only so much space an article can take up in a magazine, and they had to fit in the other sections, artwork, etc. Artemis got off light though when compared to others, Orcus especially (whose trimmed material would have touched upon the situation in Vaasa/Damara and his current actions against Kiaransalee, etc).
Shemeska the Marauder
09-08-07, 02:10 PM Indeed I think the actually had to :P

Yes, but only if I like you a lot. Otherwise you're all mezzoloth chow. http://arcanofox.foxpaws.net/shemmywink.gif
White_Wizard
09-10-07, 07:42 AM Of course, it would be even better if novel authors created the in-game equivalents of people/places/things featured in their novels themselves (or in concert with a game designer) in the first place.
They did in the old AD&D (and I'm not a nostalgic old-timer: in that time I didn't even play, but since I've plenty of acces to old AD&D handbooks, I found many character write ups made by the very authors of the novels - RA Salvatore included: he made official stats for Drizzt, Artemis, Bruenor, Wulfgar, Catti-Brie and also Jarlaxle, Matron Baenre and many of the main characters in Menzoberranzan).
Yes, but only if I like you a lot. Otherwise you're all mezzoloth chow. http://arcanofox.foxpaws.net/shemmywink.gif

:rofl:
Mad Mage
09-10-07, 05:15 PM Strangely, the Smoking property's also not featured in MIC. :eek:

*sigh* Guess I better have my mother buy me a copy of LoD from Amazon. :rolleyes:
Eli_the_Tanner
09-10-07, 10:43 PM I quite like the power level Charon's Claw is at, it's just a shame we don't have the full stat block.

The article mentions a few quasi-magical abilities of Charon's Claw(that only work within range of a Mythallar), can anyone tell me if these are mentioned in any of the short stories i.e. a curious sword etc. The only other power I know of is Blacklight, but that wasn't Mythallar dependant...or was it? Is this a hint that there may be a mythallar in Calimport.

Does anyone know the enhancement cost of a smoking weapon?
bondious
09-11-07, 02:50 AM Does anyone know the enhancement cost of a smoking weapon?

As of 'Lords of Darkness', a 3.0 book which I'm not sure if it's been updated to 3.5, the "Smoking" is a +1 property.
Eli_the_Tanner
09-11-07, 10:09 PM Thankyou Bondious:)

Incidently what are your thoughts on the recent stats of Charon's Claw?
bondious
09-11-07, 11:05 PM Thankyou Bondious:)

Incidently what are your thoughts on the recent stats of Charon's Claw?

I've not seen them, but am interested nonetheless. ;)
Purple Dragon Knight
09-12-07, 09:44 PM Charon's Claw's stats, as per the last issue of Dragon, are great IMHO. Whoever wrote them: good job.
Eli_the_Tanner
09-12-07, 10:13 PM Charon's Claw's stats, as per the last issue of Dragon, are great IMHO. Whoever wrote them: good job.

That would be Shemeska the Marauder(see above). All credit, and thanks, goes toward Shemeska.:clap:
Alurvelve
09-13-07, 01:13 AM If the stats in the dragon mag cant be posted here can someone PM me them? I won't be able to got my hands on it :( I usually am the one telling my gameshop whats comeing out and etc. He still had no idea about Grand History of the Realms, much less knowing it comes out this month :rolleyes:
Eli_the_Tanner
09-13-07, 12:45 PM As others have stated above it is abit brief, but I'll send you them anyway - would be good to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Alurvelve
09-13-07, 01:30 PM Thanx Eli for the PM. I think that is a good base for the sword and it's abilities. It opens up some questions on some of its other powres its showed. Makes me wonder if there is indeed a mythallar near Calimport.

A number of people have said this in the R.A. boards, and I agree with them and we think that it would be cool and interesting if Salvatore did a number of short storys dealing with the history of Charon's Claw, Iceingdeath, Twinkle, Heartseeker etc.
thrallmaster
09-13-07, 04:15 PM Can someone PM the stats! Please! I would be really greatful!
Muddman
09-13-07, 09:59 PM They are well done and the power level is spot on. Doesn't make it an epic weapon or anything, just a kick butt sword for a kick butt swordsman.
tallymario
09-15-07, 08:58 PM could someone please Pm me the stats? im dying to see them. ive been waiting for this forever (crossing of fingers)
Eli_the_Tanner
09-16-07, 12:50 PM I think I may have started something here. I would suggest people go out and buy the Dragon Magazine, it's still available in many shops - and available for order online.

This is the last Dragon mag published and perhaps one of the best ever printed. With articles like Unsolved mysteries of D&D, wizards three, Elminster vs Raistlin, Ecology of the Tarrasque;), Treasures of Greyhawk, Demonicon of Iggwilv: Apocrypha, Volo's guide to Myth Drannor and the top 20 D&D villans, comedy from Order of the Stick and Nodwick; it really is a must-have piece of D&D history.

There are many, many contributions in the mag from Ed Greenwood, Gary Gygax, Keith Baker, Eric L. Boyd, James Wyatt, Eric Mona, Jame Jacobs; so many reasons to buy it.

I'd advise If you've got time to buy it, buy it. Even if you buy it just for the short 81-odd words about Charon's claw - you will not be disappointed by the rest of the mag.

At any rate if you choose not to buy the last of an amazing line of magazines, then the stats will probably pop up on the boards soon enough - for now I'd say buy it while you can.

Come back with your thoughts not only on Charon's Claw but the many other articles printed in the magazine and we'll have some good discussions.
GothicDan
09-16-07, 12:54 PM I was surprised you did it the one time, Eli. ;)

(I've been tracking this thread only because Shemmy's a friend of mine. I could care less about the Claw, except for him writing it. Though now I wish I had bought it for everything BUT the Claw..)
Eli_the_Tanner
09-16-07, 01:30 PM Aye, I was hoping initially it would make people go out and but the mag, but it seems to be having the opposite affect - I don't want to be some guy selling 'pirated' copies of 'Dragun' magazine in an alley.:(

Hopefully my last post will get people buying the mag for more than 'the Claw'. Incidently Dan what were your thoughts on the last printed issue of Dragon?
GothicDan
09-16-07, 06:10 PM Well, as I said, I didn't get it, and am not likely to any time soon. Financial matters are pretty serious right now... As in, if I didn't have a meal plan at school, I'd be starving.

But the articles, and their authors, make me think that there is little way it could go wrong!
Eli_the_Tanner
09-18-07, 11:24 PM Aye, it was an issue where they pulled out the cream of the crop to give Dragon the Farewell it deserves.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dxzauvrinn 09-01-07, 10:36 PM	If you guys want to see Artemi's Entreri's deadly blade officially stated, pick up the final issue of Dragon magazine. I won't reveal them here, but I must say, to me the stats left much to be desired.
MarkusTay63 09-02-07, 08:59 PM	Well, its not like they had to please the customers or anything.... :rolleyes:
White_Wizard 09-04-07, 11:31 AM	Indeed I think the actually had to :P
Derren S. 09-05-07, 04:02 AM	If you guys want to see Artemi's Entreri's deadly blade officially stated, pick up the final issue of Dragon magazine. I won't reveal them here, but I must say, to me the stats left much to be desired. What? Isn't it the ultimate super uber weapon you expected?
The Simbul 09-08-07, 01:31 AM	Seeing how their is not a "smoking" weapon ability in the Dungeon Master's Guide, it would have been nice if they included a (parenthetical) notation or superscript abbreviation indicating exactly where the ability is detailed. As for whether or not it lives up to expectations, I think I would gladly see an underwhelming statistical interpretation of the weapon in an official source than have to skim through dozens of topics pondering or espousing unofficial interpretations in the Combat, Arms, and Armor section of the FR boards....seriously there are at least three threads devoted to his melee weapons on the first page alone. Of course, it would be even better if novel authors created the in-game equivalents of people/places/things featured in their novels themselves (or in concert with a game designer) in the first place.
Shemeska the Marauder 09-08-07, 02:06 PM	I won't reveal them here, but I must say, to me the stats left much to be desired. Word limit. Very harsh word limit. For each of those entries I had to compromise between the crunch portion and actually being able to fit in enough relevant detail in the fluff section about them, and inevitably one of them would suffer at the expense of the other. Had I had more space, I would have included more history and I'd have done a more expansive block for Charon's Claw, but the format didn't allow for that. Usually the guys at Paizo have been incredibly gracious on letting us slide a few more words in, but in this case, it wasn't ultimately possible and I had to mince words. I could have easily written triple the word count for my portions of that "top 20 villains" article, but there's only so much space an article can take up in a magazine, and they had to fit in the other sections, artwork, etc. Artemis got off light though when compared to others, Orcus especially (whose trimmed material would have touched upon the situation in Vaasa/Damara and his current actions against Kiaransalee, etc).
Shemeska the Marauder 09-08-07, 02:10 PM	Indeed I think the actually had to :P Yes, but only if I like you a lot. Otherwise you're all mezzoloth chow. http://arcanofox.foxpaws.net/shemmywink.gif
White_Wizard 09-10-07, 07:42 AM	Of course, it would be even better if novel authors created the in-game equivalents of people/places/things featured in their novels themselves (or in concert with a game designer) in the first place. They did in the old AD&D (and I'm not a nostalgic old-timer: in that time I didn't even play, but since I've plenty of acces to old AD&D handbooks, I found many character write ups made by the very authors of the novels - RA Salvatore included: he made official stats for Drizzt, Artemis, Bruenor, Wulfgar, Catti-Brie and also Jarlaxle, Matron Baenre and many of the main characters in Menzoberranzan). Yes, but only if I like you a lot. Otherwise you're all mezzoloth chow. http://arcanofox.foxpaws.net/shemmywink.gif :rofl:
Mad Mage 09-10-07, 05:15 PM	Strangely, the Smoking property's also not featured in MIC. :eek: sigh Guess I better have my mother buy me a copy of LoD from Amazon. :rolleyes:
Eli_the_Tanner 09-10-07, 10:43 PM	I quite like the power level Charon's Claw is at, it's just a shame we don't have the full stat block. The article mentions a few quasi-magical abilities of Charon's Claw(that only work within range of a Mythallar), can anyone tell me if these are mentioned in any of the short stories i.e. a curious sword etc. The only other power I know of is Blacklight, but that wasn't Mythallar dependant...or was it? Is this a hint that there may be a mythallar in Calimport. Does anyone know the enhancement cost of a smoking weapon?
bondious 09-11-07, 02:50 AM	Does anyone know the enhancement cost of a smoking weapon? As of 'Lords of Darkness', a 3.0 book which I'm not sure if it's been updated to 3.5, the "Smoking" is a +1 property.
Eli_the_Tanner 09-11-07, 10:09 PM	Thankyou Bondious:) Incidently what are your thoughts on the recent stats of Charon's Claw?
bondious 09-11-07, 11:05 PM	Thankyou Bondious:) Incidently what are your thoughts on the recent stats of Charon's Claw? I've not seen them, but am interested nonetheless. ;)
Purple Dragon Knight 09-12-07, 09:44 PM	Charon's Claw's stats, as per the last issue of Dragon, are great IMHO. Whoever wrote them: good job.
Eli_the_Tanner 09-12-07, 10:13 PM	Charon's Claw's stats, as per the last issue of Dragon, are great IMHO. Whoever wrote them: good job. That would be Shemeska the Marauder(see above). All credit, and thanks, goes toward Shemeska.:clap:
Alurvelve 09-13-07, 01:13 AM	If the stats in the dragon mag cant be posted here can someone PM me them? I won't be able to got my hands on it :( I usually am the one telling my gameshop whats comeing out and etc. He still had no idea about Grand History of the Realms, much less knowing it comes out this month :rolleyes:
Eli_the_Tanner 09-13-07, 12:45 PM	As others have stated above it is abit brief, but I'll send you them anyway - would be good to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Alurvelve 09-13-07, 01:30 PM	Thanx Eli for the PM. I think that is a good base for the sword and it's abilities. It opens up some questions on some of its other powres its showed. Makes me wonder if there is indeed a mythallar near Calimport. A number of people have said this in the R.A. boards, and I agree with them and we think that it would be cool and interesting if Salvatore did a number of short storys dealing with the history of Charon's Claw, Iceingdeath, Twinkle, Heartseeker etc.
thrallmaster 09-13-07, 04:15 PM	Can someone PM the stats! Please! I would be really greatful!
Muddman 09-13-07, 09:59 PM	They are well done and the power level is spot on. Doesn't make it an epic weapon or anything, just a kick butt sword for a kick butt swordsman.
tallymario 09-15-07, 08:58 PM	could someone please Pm me the stats? im dying to see them. ive been waiting for this forever (crossing of fingers)
Eli_the_Tanner 09-16-07, 12:50 PM	I think I may have started something here. I would suggest people go out and buy the Dragon Magazine, it's still available in many shops - and available for order online. This is the last Dragon mag published and perhaps one of the best ever printed. With articles like Unsolved mysteries of D&D, wizards three, Elminster vs Raistlin, Ecology of the Tarrasque;), Treasures of Greyhawk, Demonicon of Iggwilv: Apocrypha, Volo's guide to Myth Drannor and the top 20 D&D villans, comedy from Order of the Stick and Nodwick; it really is a must-have piece of D&D history. There are many, many contributions in the mag from Ed Greenwood, Gary Gygax, Keith Baker, Eric L. Boyd, James Wyatt, Eric Mona, Jame Jacobs; so many reasons to buy it. I'd advise If you've got time to buy it, buy it. Even if you buy it just for the short 81-odd words about Charon's claw - you will not be disappointed by the rest of the mag. At any rate if you choose not to buy the last of an amazing line of magazines, then the stats will probably pop up on the boards soon enough - for now I'd say buy it while you can. Come back with your thoughts not only on Charon's Claw but the many other articles printed in the magazine and we'll have some good discussions.
GothicDan 09-16-07, 12:54 PM	I was surprised you did it the one time, Eli. ;) (I've been tracking this thread only because Shemmy's a friend of mine. I could care less about the Claw, except for him writing it. Though now I wish I had bought it for everything BUT the Claw..)
Eli_the_Tanner 09-16-07, 01:30 PM	Aye, I was hoping initially it would make people go out and but the mag, but it seems to be having the opposite affect - I don't want to be some guy selling 'pirated' copies of 'Dragun' magazine in an alley.:( Hopefully my last post will get people buying the mag for more than 'the Claw'. Incidently Dan what were your thoughts on the last printed issue of Dragon?
GothicDan 09-16-07, 06:10 PM	Well, as I said, I didn't get it, and am not likely to any time soon. Financial matters are pretty serious right now... As in, if I didn't have a meal plan at school, I'd be starving. But the articles, and their authors, make me think that there is little way it could go wrong!
Eli_the_Tanner 09-18-07, 11:24 PM	Aye, it was an issue where they pulled out the cream of the crop to give Dragon the Farewell it deserves.