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Gleekonu 01-04-08, 08:01 AM	Okay after much arguing and debating i have decided to take to the boards The rogues sa ability, how does it apply to multiple attacks when flanking an opponent? We play it as one attack gets the extra dmg. but the phb does not state that only one att gets dmg What do you all think?
NoirLotus 01-04-08, 08:58 AM	As long as an attack meets the prerequisites, it is a sneak attack (even touch attack with spells that deal damage). The only exception is attacks like Manyshot where you make one roll for several projectiles => in this case only one projectile is a sneak attack.
Gleekonu 01-04-08, 05:35 PM	Ok then thanks thats what i thought but my dm does not. How would you that apply to multiple attacks and sudden strike. My dm says that after the first attack the opp is no longer flat footed so therefore only the first attack is a sudden strike. What do you think.
Another Gnome 01-05-08, 07:34 AM	Ok then thanks thats what i thought but my dm does not. Advice your DM to check the rules FAQ (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a) for reference, or just quote this: Q: If a rogue gets multiple attacks in a round (such as from a high base attack bonus or the Rapid Shot feat), can she make sneak attacks for all of them? A: Yes, but only if each attack meets a requirement to be a sneak attack. For instance, a rogue who flanks an enemy can deliver a sneak attack with every melee attack she makes. A rogue under the effect of a greater invisibility spell treats every attack as a sneak attack, since she remains invisible despite attacking. If later attacks in a round no longer meet any requirement to be a sneak attack, they aren’t sneak attacks. For example, a rogue under the effect of an invisibility spell would deal sneak attack damage only with her first attack in a round, because she turns visible as soon as she makes the attack. How would you that apply to multiple attacks and sudden strike. My dm says that after the first attack the opp is no longer flat footed so therefore only the first attack is a sudden strike. What do you think. A character remains flat-footed until his next initiative count comes up and he loses his Dexterity bonus until that. (I don't know how sudden strike works, but if it specifically says to render the opponent flat-footed and doesn't put additional limitations on it, then clearly all the normal rules for being flat-footed apply.)
18DELTA 01-08-08, 01:40 AM	Okay after much arguing and debating i have decided to take to the boards The rogues sa ability, how does it apply to multiple attacks when flanking an opponent? We play it as one attack gets the extra dmg. but the phb does not state that only one att gets dmg What do you all think? -Every attack when the Rogue flanks gets Sneak Attack Damage. That is what makes a Rogue deadly.:D Rules of the Game: All About Sneak Attacks (Part Three) (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040302a) Number of Sneak Attacks Provided it is possible for you to make a sneak attack at all, you can make multiple sneak attacks when you use the full attack action. For example, if you have a higher initiative result at the beginning of an encounter, your foe is flat-footed and every attack you make is a sneak attack. The same is true if you flank your foe. Anything that allows you to make extra attacks during the full attack action gets you extra sneak attacks as well: fighting with two weapons, the haste spell, and the monk's flurry of blows are the most common ways of getting extra attacks. Remember the earlier note about invisibility effects, however. If you're relying on invisibility to set up a sneak attack, you'll only have the effect for the first attack you make during your turn. You'll still get all your extra attacks, but only the first will be a sneak attack. You don't have this problem if you're using a greaterinvisibility effect. I hope this helps.:D
Khaelieth 01-08-08, 05:20 PM	I honestly find rogues overpowered when coupled with a mêlée character and a spellcaster. Improved invisibility on rogue and he's doing more damage than a catapult, easily. I always prefered thieves, rogues these days are a bit too... WoW... Even if 3rd ed was published first. Just annoys me.
Khaelieth 01-08-08, 05:21 PM	A character remains flat-footed until his next initiative count comes up and he loses his Dexterity bonus until that. (I don't know how sudden strike works, but if it specifically says to render the opponent flat-footed and doesn't put additional limitations on it, then clearly all the normal rules for being flat-footed apply.) If the rogue goes first that round as well, he'll still get the sneak attack that round.