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Lord Karsus

01-15-08, 08:15 AM
-The theoretical date right now is February 2nd, from around 6 PM to whenever, at the same Starbucks in Florham Park we've been meeting at since the beginning. Who's in, who's out?

Can Attend
Lord Karsus (Steve)
johnkretzer
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
MarkusTay63
Finglas
msatran

Possible
Mr_Miscellany

EDIT: The theme for the current meeting is 'interesting stuff'. Everyone, try to bring something 'interesting', that is D&D/FR related.
Alediran

01-15-08, 08:32 AM
I'll be there in spirit.
Lord Karsus

01-15-08, 08:42 AM
-Of course.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-15-08, 09:48 AM
Can it be earlier than 8:00 pm?
johnkretzer

01-15-08, 03:39 PM
I will be there...and I have no problems with it being earlier.
msatran

01-15-08, 04:12 PM
I have no problem with it being earlier either. What's good for you, Rhee?
Lord Karsus

01-15-08, 05:39 PM
Can it be earlier than 8:00 pm?

-How much earlier? 7? 6? Even earlier?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-15-08, 06:13 PM
6:00 pm is fine! Heck, I wouldn't even mind it being earlier, but that may be too early for some of you.:)
Lord Karsus

01-15-08, 06:15 PM
6:00 pm is fine! Heck, I wouldn't even mind it being earlier, but that may be too early for some of you.:)

-6 PM it is, then.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-15-08, 06:29 PM
Thank you.:)
johnkretzer

01-15-08, 07:01 PM
yes 6 O'clock is fine for me...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-15-08, 07:08 PM
*grins* LK, put me on the list!
MarkusTay63

01-15-08, 09:21 PM
As of right now, I'm in.

I'm sorry I missed the last one. :(

So what do you guys talk about? 4e?
Lord Karsus

01-15-08, 09:27 PM
So what do you guys talk about? 4e?

-Stuff.
msatran

01-15-08, 10:26 PM
While that is a portion of what we do, it's likely that discussion-wise, most of the talk, Markus, will be about your mapmaking projects and what we can do to preserve our Realms, so to speak.

I'm not sure that much of this fourth edition stuff really is for you, or me, or LK, or Rhee, so I think it may be time to put your mapmaking skills to work in some fashion.
Finglas

01-15-08, 10:32 PM
What LK said. ;)

I will probably be able to make it again. Some family stuff is going on, but I should be able to be there for a little while (at least one coffee). Hopefully longer than that (multiple coffees!), but will have to play it by ear a bit. Put me down as "Possible" for now, but I'll keep in touch in the meantime via this thread. Hope to see you all then!
johnkretzer

01-15-08, 11:10 PM
What LK said. ;)

I will probably be able to make it again. Some family stuff is going on, but I should be able to be there for a little while (at least one coffee). Hopefully longer than that (multiple coffees!), but will have to play it by ear a bit. Put me down as "Possible" for now, but I'll keep in touch in the meantime via this thread. Hope to see you all then!

Great. So did you find the book useful?

Actualy I wouldn't mind meeting some pro 4th edition people. Maybe they can sell it to me. Or atleast maybe run a game I can actualy judge it by.

Also Lord Karsus you forgot msatran on the can attend list.
MarkusTay63

01-15-08, 11:19 PM
While that is a portion of what we do, it's likely that discussion-wise, most of the talk, Markus, will be about your mapmaking projects and what we can do to preserve our Realms, so to speak.Funny you should say that; I've been working on my Amn/Tethyr map for the last couple hours.

I wanted to put up a newer version, to go with WotC's Wailing Dwarf article, and I'm in the middle of scouring the two Spulzeer modules for lore. :D

Gawd, I LOVE the old 2e lore... it just goes on and on and on.... :cloud9:
Lord Karsus

01-15-08, 11:47 PM
Also Lord Karsus you forgot msatran on the can attend list.

-I don't want to assume anything until he outright says that 6 PM is good for him.
Finglas

01-16-08, 10:15 AM
I did find it useful, and thanks for lending it to me! I'm still not completely sold on 4th, but can try to prepare a devil's-advocate argument for it in case nobody else does. ;)

If there's a category for "definitely will appear, and hope to be able to stay," that would be more accurate than what was in my first post. So I will see you there, and with any luck will be able to hang out, relax, and talk about stuff. Till next!
Sol_Odlanier

01-16-08, 10:50 AM
Where's the nearest airport there?
Finglas

01-16-08, 11:31 AM
Where's the nearest airport there?

Newark (EWR) is very close.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-16-08, 01:50 PM
I'd talk about 4E because:

--Pro or con, people find it an interesting topic.
--I like the 4E core rules so far.

That being said, we talk about 4E all the time here. Why not discuss something different in person.
MarkusTay63

01-16-08, 04:05 PM
Well, if I'm still invited... I think we may have a lot of 4e stuff to talk about.

You see...... <dramatic pause>.... I've decided to make the switch! :eek:

No, don't panic... the worlds not about to be taken over by pod-people. :P

Its just that... aside from the stuff in the GHotR... I really don't see the changes as being nearly as dramatic as we feared. I was more concerned with the geography and nations, and thats not really changing all that much. It still looks like Faerūn to me. :bored:

In fact, I think they generated all this hype on purpose, because they really couldn't think of anything 'new' or creative to add, so they pasted in some Draconians and destroyed a couple of places - big whoop.

The Cosmological issues are a BIG DEAL, but we can just ignore that, or work within it.

Anyhow, I hope none of you feel betrayed, but look at it this way - I'm not siding with THEM; I've just realized that they aren't creative enough to actual ADD anything new. All they did was 'mess it up' a bit -- so now we have some house-cleaning to do.

I've been doing that to campaign worlds for years. :rolleyes:

So I hope I can still come... if you'll have me. :(
Lord Karsus

01-16-08, 04:12 PM
So I hope I can still come... if you'll have me. :(

-WTF? Why would you be 'uninvited'? We're not a bunch of closeminded dorks, who only want to hear what we want to hear, like a group of gossiping divourcees talking about their ex-husbands.
MarkusTay63

01-16-08, 04:15 PM
But thats what certain people on these boards have been accusing the anti-4e crowd of being...

You mean..... thay've been WRONG all along?! :eek:





;) :P
Lord Karsus

01-16-08, 04:18 PM
You mean..... thay've been WRONG all along?! :eek:

-How...shocking. :cool:
MarkusTay63

01-16-08, 04:29 PM
Quite. :cool:
johnkretzer

01-16-08, 04:44 PM
*grumble, grumble, grumble*

Sure Markus can come...maybe I can enlighten him on what the Blood War really was since his comments have me thinking he doesn't have a clue. ;)

Nah it is ok. Though I do hope we can talk about other things like Rino said...
Lord Karsus

01-16-08, 04:54 PM
-I'm thinking I might have a special gift for everyone who comes...
MarkusTay63

01-16-08, 04:55 PM
I don't HAVE clues...

I CREATED all the clues. ;)

I know EXACTLY what the Bloodwar IS, and I also know the first thing most folks thought of when they envisioned it - Gehenna. You and I might both know it took place everywhere, on many fronts, but a lot of people didn't get that. By 'de-centralizing' the Bloodwar, they've actually embraced its true purpose.

I have plenty of planescape material, don't you worry: I just think newer DMs - and even older, less savy ones - will now realize that a person doesn't NEED to travel to experience the Bloodwar; its taking place in his own backyard, ALL the time.

For all we know, 'Gehenna' could just be the name of some poor Prime World that made the mistake of 'porting in' too many fiends to fight a mortal war, and now it is a dead husk of a planet, where mortals are prey and the Fiends continue the conflict without them.

I find that cutting the fiends down to just two groups a bit annoying, but hopefully those 'other fiends' will still retain their original flavor, for the most part.

Anyway, like I said, I think 4e is all 'smoke and mirrors' at this point - they really couldn't come up with anything great, so they just snowballed us into thinking everything was going to be different.

As you so handily pointed out with the fiends.. ;)
johnkretzer

01-16-08, 05:12 PM
I don't HAVE clues...

I CREATED all the clues. ;)

I know EXACTLY what the Bloodwar IS, and I also know the first thing most folks thought of when they envisioned it - Gehenna. You and I might both know it took place everywhere, on many fronts, but a lot of people didn't get that. By 'de-centralizing' the Bloodwar, they've actually embraced its true purpose.

I have plenty of planescape material, don't you worry: I just think newer DMs - and even older, less savy ones - will now realize that a person doesn't NEED to travel to experience the Bloodwar; its taking place in his own backyard, ALL the time.

For all we know, 'Gehenna' could just be the name of some poor Prime World that made the mistake of 'porting in' too many fiends to fight a mortal war, and now it is a dead husk of a planet, where mortals are prey and the Fiends continue the conflict without them.

I find that cutting the fiends down to just two groups a bit annoying, but hopefully those 'other fiends' will still retain their original flavor, for the most part.

Anyway, like I said, I think 4e is all 'smoke and mirrors' at this point - they really couldn't come up with anything great, so they just snowballed us into thinking everything was going to be different.

As you so handily pointed out with the fiends.. ;)

*grumble, grumble, grumble*

You might be right. Or are just using reverse phsychology to get the design team convinced they aren't doing anything new...

Anyway it is all OK. I unlike you, just don't like the new rules as much....especialy the new skill system...so if I don't convert I really don't have to care.
MarkusTay63

01-16-08, 05:20 PM
I don't want anyone to convert, or do what I'm doing - I'm just sharing my own ideas about how I'm handling it.

I think a lot of FR fans will stay with the old 3e world, and I think thats great! Thats pretty much what I'm doing, you know. My campaign date is only five years away from the 3e one, and 89 years away from the 4e one.

By squeezing the Spellplague into five years, I get to use the new rules in the old setting, with minimal fuss. I just have to 'patch' areas where NPCs conflict - like my example above, concerning who rules Cormyr.

I get to choose beteen both versions now, and use whatever I like, or come up with my own stuff. Its really not at all different from what I've been doing for years anyway.

So technically, I'll be running 3.75e. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-16-08, 07:28 PM
-I'm thinking I might have a special gift for everyone who comes...

Oooh, I want to find out what that is...:D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-16-08, 07:30 PM
I don't want anyone to convert, or do what I'm doing - I'm just sharing my own ideas about how I'm handling it.


I would play 4E, just not the 4E Realms.:)
MarkusTay63

01-16-08, 07:40 PM
Missed this the first time around -

-I'm thinking I might have a special gift for everyone who comes...Will it hurt? :eek:
Lord Karsus

01-16-08, 07:54 PM
Missed this the first time around -

Will it hurt? :eek:

-Will it hurt...? Only if used improperly.
msatran

01-17-08, 12:51 AM
"They destroyed the Forgotten Realms, and Wizards made me PAY for this Tee Shirt anyway."
Mr_Miscellany

01-17-08, 01:05 AM
I should be able to make it if I can clear my San Francisco appointments for that Saturday.

It's the Starbucks off of the Columbia Turnpike and James Street, correct?
Lord Karsus

01-17-08, 01:18 AM
It's the Starbucks off of the Columbia Turnpike and James Street, correct?

-That is correct.
Mr_Miscellany

01-17-08, 01:23 AM
Excellent. Thank you.
DMD

01-17-08, 10:41 AM
Can't make it. I will be in San Antonio.

Maybe I can make it in March but I might be in Vegas, not too sure about the calendar yet.

I know my calendar for early April is pretty clear right now though.

Have fun. :D
Alediran

01-17-08, 10:42 AM
Can't make it. I will be in San Antonio.

Maybe I can make it in March but I might be in Vegas, not too sure about the calendar yet.

I know my calendar for early April is pretty clear right now though.

Have fun. :D

Wow, somebody moves a lot.
msatran

01-20-08, 03:19 AM
I also have a special treat for people.

I will bring my copy of The Enchanted Wood. That's right, I will show everyone this module, which is the basis for everything that exists in the High Forest. I swear to you, I'm not kidding.

It has Amelior Amanitas, it has Karsus, his apparent godly abilities, the original 1ed stats for Wulgreth, and stats for Jingleshod. Everything is FIRST EDITION!

It has maps for what's inside the ring of elms in the High Forest, which is MUCH bigger on the inside than it is on the outside, and old stats for Tianna Skyflower, who somehow went from Fighter/Mage in 1st and Second Edition to Barbarian 14 in 3rd. ?????????

OH! AND you can get to the pillar of Karsus by going INTO the Ring of Elms and going through a portal.

I kid you not. This is the real deal.
Lord Karsus

01-20-08, 03:25 AM
I kid you not. This is the real deal.

-Yes, yes, I am an interloper. Does that make me any less of a person? :P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-20-08, 07:30 PM
I also have a special treat for people.

I will bring my copy of The Enchanted Wood. That's right, I will show everyone this module, which is the basis for everything that exists in the High Forest. I swear to you, I'm not kidding.

It has Amelior Amanitas, it has Karsus, his apparent godly abilities, the original 1ed stats for Wulgreth, and stats for Jingleshod. Everything is FIRST EDITION!

It has maps for what's inside the ring of elms in the High Forest, which is MUCH bigger on the inside than it is on the outside, and old stats for Tianna Skyflower, who somehow went from Fighter/Mage in 1st and Second Edition to Barbarian 14 in 3rd. ?????????

OH! AND you can get to the pillar of Karsus by going INTO the Ring of Elms and going through a portal.

I kid you not. This is the real deal.

Sounds neat, thank you!
Lord Karsus

01-21-08, 03:24 AM
-Phew, for a second, I thought the 2nd was when the Super Bowl was...
johnkretzer

01-21-08, 03:56 AM
-Yes, yes, I am an interloper. Does that make me any less of a person? :P

How can you be any less of a person? :P

I mean you are just a vestige aren't you? :P

You might want to pray to something that the designers don't realize you are a interloper though...they are seemingly very anti-interloper. I am guessing they are getting pressure from forgien competion. :P
msatran

01-21-08, 05:27 PM
-Yes, yes, I am an interloper. Does that make me any less of a person? :P

Actually, lorewise, I thought you might find it fascinating. :)
MarkusTay63

01-21-08, 05:56 PM
I don't have any of the modules, by I do own this -

http://www.dragonorama.com/games/B000E8B0AW.jpg

Which is the World that Karsus came from, before TSR bought it from SPI. :D
18DELTA

01-21-08, 06:23 PM
Missed this the first time around -

Will it hurt? :eek:
-In your case I hope its HURTS alot!!!:P


LORD DELTA:heehee
Lord Karsus

01-22-08, 06:25 AM
I don't have any of the modules, by I do own this -

http://www.dragonorama.com/games/B000E8B0AW.jpg

Which is the World that Karsus came from, before TSR bought it from SPI. :D

-That's actually my cousin on the cover, there.

-Hey, yeah, how about everyone bring something interesting.
DMD

01-22-08, 11:22 AM
Not moving, vacationing.

:D

yes I am a busy little bee.
MarkusTay63

01-23-08, 02:05 AM
I hope thats in one of my boxes - I moved out of the Ex's house rather quickly, and only grabbed my D&D stuff, books, and clothes. I'm pretty sure I have it, though, because it was in the box of 'ancient' cr@p, and my original set of Runequest rules was in there as well, and I've seen that around.

Maybe I can dig out the OD&D rule book as well. :D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-23-08, 10:11 AM
-Hey, yeah, how about everyone bring something interesting.

You mean a gift for everybody?

How about candy?
MarkusTay63

01-23-08, 12:21 PM
Well, my books aren't to be gifts, and neither, I think, is msatran's.

More along the lines of "something to share" with the rest.

I was going to make a joke here... but thought better of it. ;)

Funny thing is, this might be the very first time the covers of that rulebook actually get cracked. :rolleyes:
Lord Karsus

01-23-08, 12:22 PM
You mean a gift for everybody?

How about candy?

-I didn't necessarily mean it like that. I meant, like, bring something interesting to show everyone. But, hey, if you want to bring candy, be my guest. I won't say no! :)
MarkusTay63

01-23-08, 12:58 PM
-I didn't necessarily mean it like that. I meant, like, bring something interesting to show everyone... :D

I'm REALLY biting my tongue here... :P
Lord Karsus

01-23-08, 01:06 PM
:D

I'm REALLY biting my tongue here... :P

-How so...? PM me, or something, I don't get it.
DMD

01-23-08, 05:05 PM
Markus' mind is in the gutter methinks.....
MarkusTay63

01-23-08, 05:37 PM
ALWAYS. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-23-08, 07:04 PM
-I didn't necessarily mean it like that. I meant, like, bring something interesting to show everyone. But, hey, if you want to bring candy, be my guest. I won't say no! :)

I'm so glad.;) I hope everyone who's coming has a sweet tooth, like me!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-23-08, 07:06 PM
:D

I'm REALLY biting my tongue here... :P

*I* get it. :rofl:

Sorry, Markus, but I don't think showing...stuff like that would go over well in a public place like Starbucks.:)
MarkusTay63

01-23-08, 08:52 PM
Ya never know... but then again, Starbucks is usually so packed they don't need any 'added attractions'. ;)
Lord Karsus

01-24-08, 12:06 AM
-That place wasn't very crowded last two meetings. First time, there was a bunch of emo kids, and then last time, there were a few randomly assorted people.
MarkusTay63

01-24-08, 03:35 AM
The ones around here are always packed, and one of them is in a s__t neighborhood - the folks in there must be using their whole Welfare check on one cup of coffee. :rolleyes:
johnkretzer

01-28-08, 12:42 AM
The ones around here are always packed, and one of them is in a s__t neighborhood - the folks in there must be using their whole Welfare check on one cup of coffee. :rolleyes:

It could have been rich people slumming....?
Lord Karsus

01-28-08, 12:54 AM
-That's what I do. Whenever I fill up my car, I go to a gas station that isn't the best neighborhood, or isn't located anywhere near a major intersection. Prices are anywhere between $.05-$.20 cents a gallon cheaper.
Finglas

01-28-08, 11:50 AM
Speaking of which, don't forget to fill up in Jersey, if you're driving Saturday. ;) If you're feeling especially adventurous, you could even fill up in Newark on the way to the meeting or on the way back, to save a little more money--but it may not be worth the extra time or the er, risk. See you there!

Oh, wait, just remembered my original reason to post--would old Dragonlance stuff be cool to bring? I'm going to look through my stuff anyway just to see if there's anything else that might be good.
Lord Karsus

01-28-08, 11:56 AM
Speaking of which, don't forget to fill up in Jersey, if you're driving Saturday. ;) If you're feeling especially adventurous, you could even fill up in Newark on the way to the meeting or on the way back, to save a little more money--but it may not be worth the extra time or the er, risk. See you there!

-Nah, for whatever reason, my car sometimes has problems filling up. As a result, I need to pump it myself, to make sure that it actually works. The pump sometimes 'clicks' before the tank is full, and needs to me manually pumped like a million times. Since you can't pump gas yourself in Jersey, it kind of eliminates being able to fuel up there.

Oh, wait, just remembered my original reason to post--would old Dragonlance stuff be cool to bring? I'm going to look through my stuff anyway just to see if there's anything else that might be good.

-Sure, that's good.
DMD

01-28-08, 05:25 PM
Newark isn't Baghdad people. I went to school there and worked there and never had a problem. Its like anywhere else really, don't go where you don't belong and you will be fine.
MarkusTay63

01-29-08, 11:39 AM
I used to work in East NY, and ended up there at night more then once - I had customers tell me I was crazy, but I never had a problem.

If your going to be a victim, it can happen anywhere, anytime... worrying about isn't going to prevent it.

And I've also traveled through Newark a couple of times - had to take Greyhound south - and it was an 'experience', but it wasn't as bad as people say.

I did have to buy that one guy a bottle, but after that I had lots of friends. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-29-08, 08:15 PM
-Nah, for whatever reason, my car sometimes has problems filling up. As a result, I need to pump it myself, to make sure that it actually works. The pump sometimes 'clicks' before the tank is full, and needs to me manually pumped like a million times. Since you can't pump gas yourself in Jersey, it kind of eliminates being able to fuel up there.


I enjoy being waited on. I'm a lady.:)

And yes, gas does cost less in NJ, apparently...but it's still expensive. :-P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-29-08, 08:17 PM
If your going to be a victim, it can happen anywhere, anytime... worrying about isn't going to prevent it.


I totally agree. I distinctly recall some pretty bad incidents that supposedly happened in "nice" areas. Although, there are of course ways to make yourself less likely to be a victim.
johnkretzer

01-30-08, 02:13 AM
-Nah, for whatever reason, my car sometimes has problems filling up. As a result, I need to pump it myself, to make sure that it actually works. The pump sometimes 'clicks' before the tank is full, and needs to me manually pumped like a million times. Since you can't pump gas yourself in Jersey, it kind of eliminates being able to fuel up there.

I was a gas station attendent for about 9 years. I have never seen or heard of anybody get in trouble for pumping their own gas. I have asked cops, D.A.s, lawyers, even a judge, etc and they never heard of anyone get into trouble for it. They couldn't even answear the question of who is breaking the law, the station or the customer.

Your problem is not unfamilar to me...I have seen it alot. It could be a small hole in your gas system that is causing problems w/ the pressure...or it just could be the style of nozzel. It is a very annoying problem...(especialy considering that yours is most likely not the only car at the station) It was my policy if somebody wanted to pump their own gas let them. I think you'll find most places wouldn't have issues.

I could probably bore everyone to tears on how to deal with it.
MarkusTay63

01-30-08, 09:58 AM
Certain compact car's gas lines take a rather severe bend near the top, and if the gas is flowing quickly, it will 'bunch up' near the fill-opening and trigger the automatic turn-off on the pump.

My wife's old car was like that. :bored:

One solution is to go to one of those very large stations on the expressway/turnpike during rush-hour. The more people using the pumps, the slower the gas flows, and it doesn't trigger the shut-off response so much.


Does anyone else find it funny that a thread that has 'Jersey' in the title winds up about gasoline? :D

As a NYer, the first thing that always comes to mind are all those refineries you pass when you first enter NJ - the ones that make the whole state smell like sh_t. :P
Lord Karsus

01-30-08, 11:59 AM
Certain compact car's gas lines take a rather severe bend near the top, and if the gas is flowing quickly, it will 'bunch up' near the fill-opening and trigger the automatic turn-off on the pump.

-That's what I think it is. I've discovered that, in order to alleviate the problem, I need to shove the nozzle in there, and then pump it slow for about a gallon or so. Then, I squeeze the trigger all the way, and it's all good.

My wife's old car was like that. :bored:

-I'm sure you paid for it, too. :nonono:

Does anyone else find it funny that a thread that has 'Jersey' in the title winds up about gasoline? :D

-Leave it to Jersey.

As a NY, the first thing that always comes to mind are all those refineries you pass when you first enter NJ - the ones that make the whole state smell like sh_t. :P

-Yep. Right off the Goethals is a friggin' sewage refinery. First thing you smell, after crossing into Jersey. ;)

I was a gas station attendent for about 9 years. I have never seen or heard of anybody get in trouble for pumping their own gas.

-Good to know.
_________________

-So, is everyone still good for 6 PM this Saturday?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-30-08, 02:17 PM
Yup, because there are no wastewater treatment plants in any other state.:rolleyes:

Next thing you're going to say is NY has no toilets, because the people there don't need them (which I know is untrue, having been to the state plenty of times...).
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-30-08, 02:21 PM
As a NYer, the first thing that always comes to mind are all those refineries you pass when you first enter NJ - the ones that make the whole state smell like sh_t. :P

I don't think these "jokes" are funny, or true. Please, just stop.

I don't make fun of where other people live, please respect *my* home.
DMD

01-30-08, 02:33 PM
That smell is really only in select parts of the state. Most of it smells fine. :)

Enjoy Saturday all.
Finglas

01-30-08, 02:58 PM
Hey, Jersey ain't that bad, once you get past the refineries and stuff that Rockefeller and the other NYers foisted on us. ;)

As for Newark, it's kind of nice to see people defending the place. I've worked in Newark for the past 9 years and 11 of the past 13, so my warning was half tongue-in-cheek. It has plenty to offer in terms of good food (most of it at reasonable prices), museums (well, at least one good one that I know of), and there are plenty of other things to do. And to anyone who follows hockey, Barry Melrose was out of line to say what he said without ever even being here--the area around the arena is actually fine on a game night. There are plenty of cops and lots of other people around, so I wouldn't worry too much about walking around, stopping for dinner, and catching a game. And I agree with what Rinonalyrna and Markus said, bad things can happen anywhere, not just in inner cities.

However (and who didn't see a but coming :) ), you do really have to be careful, especially at night after rush hour is over. Certain areas are pretty safe, but like in many cities, if you're unfamiliar or only somewhat familiar with the area, it's hard to know which areas those might be. And while the new hockey arena, the performing arts center, etc. are good for the place, murders and gang violence are pretty rampant and getting worse. In terms of the city's future, things could really break either way, and I'm really, really hoping it gets better. But it is very different, IMO, than it was 7 or 8 years ago when the economy was booming.

Anyway, enough out of me, especially about serious RL matters. And our get-together is in Florham Park, not Brick City, so the point is moot. Hope everyone can make it on Saturday! Should be interesting to see what kind of stuff everyone brings (and if anyone does bring candy or other sweets, I will gladly pitch in--nobody should have to eat alone ;) ).
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-30-08, 05:22 PM
I'm still bringing candy.:)

I apologize for being "snappy" before. I guess I wasn't in the best of moods, and frankly I'm still not.
Alediran

01-30-08, 05:30 PM
I know how you feel. After reading that last article I got berserker, something very unusual for me.
Lord Karsus

01-30-08, 11:37 PM
Next thing you're going to say is NY has no toilets, because the people there don't need them...

-Actually...
msatran

01-30-08, 11:52 PM
Actually, they have to have toilets, because the massive sound of people flushing the 4E Realms down them after running it through a shredder will be heard for miles.
Lord Karsus

01-31-08, 12:07 AM
-Ah, you never miss a beat. :)
johnkretzer

01-31-08, 12:23 AM
-That's what I think it is. I've discovered that, in order to alleviate the problem, I need to shove the nozzle in there, and then pump it slow for about a gallon or so. Then, I squeeze the trigger all the way, and it's all good.

You could also try turning the nozzel upside down...



-So, is everyone still good for 6 PM this Saturday?

Yes I am still good.
Lord Karsus

01-31-08, 12:27 AM
You could also try turning the nozzel upside down...

-Yeah, I did that too (I actually created an entire threat about it in the Rec-Room), and that didn't help. I haven't had a problem for a while now (Just filled up today, actually. $31 G-d damn dollars...), doing what I do, so...
Alediran

01-31-08, 06:20 AM
-Yeah, I did that too (I actually created an entire threat about it in the Rec-Room), and that didn't help. I haven't had a problem for a while now (Just filled up today, actually. $31 G-d damn dollars...), doing what I do, so...

:eek: With 31 dollars you could fill 3 trucks in Argentina.
MarkusTay63

01-31-08, 10:47 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to be insulting... I have cousins in Jersey, and growing up the whole thing became a huge running joke, and none of my relatives were ever offended.

Besides, everyone knows it's the LANDFILLS that cause that smell. :P

Ooops... did it again... my bad. :embarrass

Maybe it's the Jersey devil.... :incog:


Seriously though, you can knock NY all you want, and I won't care - borders are ficticous barriers invented by governments to keep us corraled so they can continue milking us to provide income to politicians who do not do anything that they are paid to do.

We are just 'batteries' to them - Welcome to the Matrix. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-31-08, 11:26 AM
-Actually...

OK, I could understand YOU not needing a toilet, being a god and all.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-31-08, 11:29 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to be insulting...

I'm not upset anymore.:)

Seriously though, you can knock NY all you want, and I won't care...

I don't want to, because I like every state.:)
Lord Karsus

01-31-08, 12:28 PM
I don't want to, because I like every state.:)

-Even Texas? California?

:eek: With 31 dollars you could fill 3 trucks in Argentina.

-A lot of it is taxes, a lot of it is shipping costs, and a lot of it is greed. Of course, you can get all the petrolium you need from your friend Hugo over there next door...:P
MarkusTay63

01-31-08, 12:35 PM
Don't knock Texas... it used to be an independent country. :D

And California should be....... :rolleyes:
Alediran

01-31-08, 01:08 PM
you can get all the petrolium you need from your friend Hugo over there next door...:P

No thanks, we have our own oil wells. A medium one was discovered last week in the state I lived a couple years before.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-31-08, 01:54 PM
-Even Texas? California?



Yes.:) As a matter of fact...I would LOVE to visit those states!
Lord Karsus

01-31-08, 02:10 PM
:yuck:

-I don't know which one I like least. I guess I like Texas better, because they have Tex-Mex food, and didn't steal the Dodgers.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

01-31-08, 02:27 PM
Texas has desert, and California, sequioas!:)
MerrikCale

02-03-08, 01:28 PM
how was the meeting?
Lord Karsus

02-03-08, 01:31 PM
how was the meeting?

-It was good. First meeting, there were three people. Next meeting, there were four. This time, we had five (five and 1/2, if you want to get technical, as we had a junior member with us for a time). Good times were had by all, I hope. I know I enjoyed it, as I always do with these things.
MarkusTay63

02-03-08, 03:22 PM
Bummer!

I forgot all about it! :eek:

I wouldn't of been able to go anyway, though, being kinda broke ATM. :rolleyes:

Fixed Incomes suck. :(
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-03-08, 05:23 PM
I was there, and I loved meeting LK, Finglas, mstrasan, and John.:) I had fun.

Hope to see you next time, Markus.:)
MarkusTay63

02-03-08, 09:17 PM
I can't believe I forgot, but I had all sorts of 'family emergencies' this past week, keeping me busy as hell. I had my kids all week, and I normally only get them on weekends - they just went home a little while ago.

And with everything going on, I didn't even get to sit down and play a game with them. :(
MarkusTay63

02-03-08, 10:18 PM
Giants WIN!!! :cheer:
DMD

02-03-08, 10:41 PM
Indeed they did!!!!!

Texas has beautiful countryside. Had to drive from Houston to San Antonio friday morning.

Glad everyone had fun. I know I will miss March, perhaps in April though....
Lord Karsus

02-03-08, 11:16 PM
I can't believe I forgot, but I had all sorts of 'family emergencies' this past week, keeping me busy as hell.

-Excuses, excuses, excuses...But, being as that I am in a mirthful mood *cough 18-and-1 cough*, I'll forgive you. :P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-04-08, 12:48 PM
I can't believe I forgot, but I had all sorts of 'family emergencies' this past week, keeping me busy as hell. I had my kids all week, and I normally only get them on weekends - they just went home a little while ago.

And with everything going on, I didn't even get to sit down and play a game with them. :(

It's understandable--happens to the best of us.

And yeah, GO GIANTS!:cheer:

:bounce:

I don't usually follow sports, but I watched most of the Super Bowl, and I thought it was a great game!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-04-08, 12:49 PM
Indeed they did!!!!!

Texas has beautiful countryside. Had to drive from Houston to San Antonio friday morning.

Glad everyone had fun. I know I will miss March, perhaps in April though....

Hope to see you soon.:)
Alediran

02-04-08, 12:55 PM
Did somebody took pictures? Even one taken with a celular camera is enough. One of these days I'll take a picture of my gaming group. That gives me a good idea for the Vault.
Lord Karsus

02-04-08, 01:11 PM
Did somebody took pictures? Even one taken with a celular camera is enough. One of these days I'll take a picture of my gaming group. That gives me a good idea for the Vault.

-I said originally that I'd bring a camera, but I've forgotten every single time up to this point. Meh, no matter. There's always next time (that I'll forget, too :embarrass)...
Alediran

02-04-08, 01:18 PM
Next time I'll remind you.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-04-08, 02:25 PM
I'm rather "camera shy" anyway...:)
Lord Karsus

02-04-08, 03:14 PM
I'm rather "camera shy" anyway...:)

-You can take the pictures, when/if I ever remember to bring a camera. :P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-04-08, 07:35 PM
-You can take the pictures, when/if I ever remember to bring a camera. :P

Ha!:P
msatran

02-04-08, 08:06 PM
Yeah. Next time I might be bringing minis and a map, and markers. There might even...gasp...be a game. :)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-04-08, 08:37 PM
Yeah. Next time I might be bringing minis and a map, and markers. There might even...gasp...be a game. :)

I look forward to it!:) I'll just have to think up a character...
Lord Karsus

02-04-08, 10:45 PM
I look forward to it!:) I'll just have to think up a character...

-Oh, I have an awesome character already thought out...:)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-05-08, 10:59 AM
Lucky you, I don't.:P Of course, knowing where the campaign will be sent will help me fill out the details. In the meantime, I'll come up with some viable ideas.
GothicDan

02-05-08, 11:12 AM
Texas and CA are actually both AMAZING states. Texas is full of Ron Paul. GO RON PAUL!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-05-08, 11:23 AM
And CA has tons of places I'd love to visit, like Death Valley.
DMD

02-05-08, 12:19 PM
I have not been to California in 15 years so my memoery is a bit hazy, but the few times I went I enjoyed it.
DMD

02-05-08, 12:20 PM
If we run a game who is going to DM it? I think pretty much all of us are DM's...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-05-08, 01:19 PM
If we run a game who is going to DM it? I think pretty much all of us are DM's...

Not me.:)

I'm pretty sure mstrasan is going to be our DM.
Lord Karsus

02-05-08, 01:24 PM
And CA has tons of places I'd love to visit, like Death Valley.

-The Undertaker is from Death Valley. :)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-05-08, 02:01 PM
-The Undertaker is from Death Valley. :)

Are you serious?:P
Lord Karsus

02-05-08, 02:05 PM
Are you serious?:P

-The persona the Undertaker, yeah. That's where he used to be billed from. Kinda goes with the character. Not the actual wrestler, though.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-05-08, 04:10 PM
-The persona the Undertaker, yeah. That's where he used to be billed from. Kinda goes with the character. Not the actual wrestler, though.

Somehow I figured as much.:) But still, I didn't think being a lover of 120 degree temperatures was a part of that character's schtick. :-/
Lord Karsus

02-05-08, 04:46 PM
Somehow I figured as much.:) But still, I didn't think being a lover of 120 degree temperatures was a part of that character's schtick. :-/

-I figure it's, you know, the entire 'death' thing.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-05-08, 05:49 PM
-I figure it's, you know, the entire 'death' thing.

Yeah. Although, that desert is quite full of life.:) Even aboriginal humans lived there, although they did leave the valley during the summer, when temperatures get so hot that humans can't survive there without modern technology.

I really, really want to visit that place!
MarkusTay63

02-05-08, 11:36 PM
I want to sunbathe there - I really need to work on my tan, and I can't afford salons anymore. :P

If msatran DMs, that would be VERY cool - I haven't played in someone else's game since the mid-90's (although I'm supposed to play in my son's game, if he ever gets started).
msatran

02-06-08, 01:45 AM
It will be a challenge. I have to figure out stuff like "When I'm running" and "What to run." Though usually, I like to let the lady decide. :)
Lord Karsus

02-06-08, 02:06 AM
-Did the gifts I gave everyone work? I was having a problem with one of the CDs, when I first started...
DMD

02-06-08, 03:58 PM
Run the "Return to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk". Everyone probably already read return to Undermountain......

:D
msatran

02-07-08, 09:08 AM
I haven't even figured out what year it's going to be.

My desire is Icewind Dale in 1381, but I am always willing to pick a location based on what Rino or Karsus wants. :)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-07-08, 02:40 PM
It will be a challenge. I have to figure out stuff like "When I'm running" and "What to run." Though usually, I like to let the lady decide. :)

I'll get back to you probably today.;) I had a really, really busy (and stressful) day yesterday.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-07-08, 02:40 PM
I haven't even figured out what year it's going to be.

My desire is Icewind Dale in 1381, but I am always willing to pick a location based on what Rino or Karsus wants. :)

Ohh, so it's a game set in the "future"? Neat.:)
msatran

02-08-08, 02:42 PM
Well, it's been 101 years since 1280, and a wise person would already know what I'm going to do at this point...:)
Alediran

02-08-08, 02:53 PM
Well, it's been 101 years since 1280, and a wise person would already know what I'm going to do at this point...:)

Screw with Shar's plans to kill Mystra? Neat :D
MarkusTay63

02-08-08, 05:11 PM
Is there any way we can turn Shar mortal and keep her as a pet? :dancin:
msatran

02-08-08, 08:26 PM
I don't know. Shar has taken a couple of big hits in my game, delivered by PCs, so no doubt, if she takes a couple more, and they kill a whole bunch of worshippers, she might actually lose a divine rank.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

02-10-08, 07:38 PM
I wouldn't mind taking some shots at Shar...

*slowly smiles*