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Alaundo's Prophecies [Archive] - Wizards Community

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XhaoSuma
05-03-04, 03:04 PM I found this passage on candlekeep.com. Its supposedly the last of Alaundo's prophecies, dated to happen in 2163 DR:

"When Nightal is almost at a close/
There from the gate wall shall descend/
A serpent to blow the Horn of Doom/
At the graveyard Kingdom of Man.

If the Star of Storms is its brightest/
When the dulcet ballad is played/
Soundest ground shall be torn asunder/
The tapestry forever frayed.

But if the Raging King has failed/
To keep his five retainers true/
Come 'morrow, the blessed sun will rise/
And no chaos shall ill ensue."

--Ninth Portents

"Common Interpretation: This is one of Alaundo's most famous prophecies, as it is the last one to appear in "Ninth Portents." The date is not given, but scholars suggest that it refers to 2163 DR, the Year of the Saddened Magicians, the last year recorded in the Roll of Years. The prophecy is so famous that a number of common people in larger cities may recognize it, and the "Horn of Doom" is an expression used throughout the Moonsea region for any loud noise that causes a fright.

The meaning of the word "serpent" is ambiguous at best: claims range from dragons to yuan-ti to human rouges with serpentine names. The "wall" is most likely the Spine of the World, or the North Wall in some older texts. The Kingdom of Man was an actual empire of little consequence which lasted about forty-five years, but because the actual name appears, there is a good chance the quatrains refer to some largely human kingdom, possibly Cormyr. The Star of Storms has two meanings; Uthgardt barbarians refer to the Aurora Borealis by such a colloquial term, but it is far more likely to refer to Talos, the Stormstar, as Alaundo uses the name in other prophecies. The tapestry is thought to refer to the magical weave, though it appears to be unique to this prediction as a metaphor for magical energy. Most interesting to some, perhaps, is the King and the five retainers. The king may likely be another reference to Talos, and it is thought that the five troops may be five servitor gods. As Talos is one of the most prolific (as well as oldest) of the gods as far as promoting mortals to such divine status, there is a certain cause for alarm to be taken from the passage. Currently it is believed that Talos does have five gods in his service, but certain sages knowledgeable about such things tend to discount Malyk for varying reasons."

Anyway, just thought it might be fun to speculate on what this means and talk about Alaundo's prophecies in general. Also, is this passage form any book because there were a few other phophecies in this article and I'd love to read more of them. Its always fun to ponder the future of the Realms!

-XhaoSuma

P.S.-Who is Malyk?
Cunning Linguist
05-03-04, 03:16 PM P.S.-Who is Malyk?

He is either the former lord of Daggerfall, or the Demi-power who appeared in the Underdark after the destruction of Mystra.
XhaoSuma
05-03-04, 03:20 PM Most likely the demi-god due to the contents of the prophecy.
Faraer
05-03-04, 03:24 PM That's a fan article.
XhaoSuma
05-03-04, 03:31 PM I realize that but much of the article seems to be compiled from various source material. I could be wrong but it seems that this guy wrote the article based on known Realmslore. And even if not, so what? Its still pretty darn interesting.
Faraer
05-03-04, 03:33 PM I'm not saying it's bad, just answering your question 'is this passage form any book', which it's not.
XhaoSuma
05-03-04, 04:22 PM I realize that the "Common Interpretation" part is just speculation but are there any books that have any "canon" prophecies? I know there is at least the one about the possible fall of Cormyr from the Cormyr books. Anyway, I've heard mention that Talos has always wanted to steal the Weave for himself. This above prophecy is very interesting as it could just be another ToT like incident, or it could be the end of Fearun as we know it! Comments, thoughts?
Kuje31
05-03-04, 04:48 PM Originally posted by XhaoSuma
I realize that the "Common Interpretation" part is just speculation but are there any books that have any "canon" prophecies? I know there is at least the one about the possible fall of Cormyr from the Cormyr books. Anyway, I've heard mention that Talos has always wanted to steal the Weave for himself. This above prophecy is very interesting as it could just be another ToT like incident, or it could be the end of Fearun as we know it! Comments, thoughts?

The Spellfire novels (least I believe it was in those) mention Alaundo's ToT's prophecy.....
Mirtek
05-03-04, 05:58 PM Originally posted by XhaoSuma
The meaning of the word "serpent" is ambiguous at best: claims range from dragons to yuan-ti to human rouges with serpentine names. The "wall" is most likely the Spine of the World, or the North Wall in some older texts. Staying as close to canon realmslore as possible, the serpent certainly refers to Dendar The Night Serpent, who has the destiny to someday swallow Toril's sun and start apocalypse.

In this case the wall is the mountain in Chult where she will emerge and which is, because of that, guarded by the greater god Ubtao (the other faerunian gods agreed to give him monopoly over Chult in turn for him taking the eternal guard against Dendar).

Dendar (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/fr/elderevil) (also see 2e's Faiths&Avatars if you can get it)
Falstaff the Fighter
05-04-04, 12:29 PM Yeah, its a fan thing, but its pretty fun to have a guess at it. Here is mine:

"When Nightal is almost at a close/

A month, of course, but it could be somewhat figurative, a sort of twilight of the world, but I think its literal.

There from the gate wall shall descend/
A serpent to blow the Horn of Doom/

Yep, this is Dendar and the mountain in Chult.

At the graveyard Kingdom of Man.

Another Chult refrence.

If the Star of Storms is its brightest/

Talos most likely, a refrence to him reaching a height of power. It could be a celestial (Astronomy) refrence as well. A sort of star conjunction? I think its Talos though.

When the dulcet ballad is played/

Hmmm... a refrence to a song, if literal. If the "star of storms" is a celestial event, it could mean a ritual to be conducted at this time. I still think the former refrence is to Talos though. Personally, if this were 2e, i would say it was a refrence to Heward's Mystcial Organ (Since it definately might be able to wreck great devastation is played right.). Unknown though. This could be anything.

Soundest ground shall be torn asunder/
The tapestry forever frayed.

The weave is toast.

But if the Raging King has failed/

Raging King = Talos

To keep his five retainers true/

Five servitor demi-gods who might rise up and turn on Talos, destroying him and saving the world.

Come 'morrow, the blessed sun will rise/
And no chaos shall ill ensue."

See above.

Here is my interpretation:

Talos will create five servitors, some of which might already exist (Velashroon.) who he will send to find a a heretofore unknown artifact or ritual (A horn or a song or some such, something.) that, if used / performed, will awaken Dendar and free her into the world, destroying everything.

However, if his five minions turn on him and destroy Talos before hand, then the crisis will be averted and things will be okay.

Anyone else got any thoughts?
XhaoSuma
05-06-04, 10:26 PM One thing I love about this prophecy is that it has the potential to be not just a world-shaking event, but a world-ending (or ruining if its just the Weave) event. And although 2163 is far off and WotC may never reach it in "canon" material, this is a pretty nice plot to incorperate into a campaign (and I may do just that)! The scary thing is, Talos already has at least 3, maybe more that I can't think of at the moment, gods who serve him.

-XhaoSuma
madoule
05-06-04, 11:03 PM Speaking of Alaundo's Propecys, is there a complete list of the roll of years in its entirity? Im sure some years get a name, but others dont and how many have been used already?? thanks
Alac Luin
05-07-04, 06:56 PM Originally posted by madoule
Speaking of Alaundo's Propecys, is there a complete list of the roll of years in its entirity? Im sure some years get a name, but others dont and how many have been used already?? thanks

It does exist, somewhere on the internet but I have no link, PM me with e-mail I'll send it to you.
(checks harddrive to make sure it's still there, yep there)
EDIT: see also the link that Kuje provided below.
Kuje31
05-07-04, 07:32 PM Originally posted by madoule
Speaking of Alaundo's Propecys, is there a complete list of the roll of years in its entirity? Im sure some years get a name, but others dont and how many have been used already?? thanks

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2566/rollofyears.rtf
madoule
05-08-04, 02:01 PM Mmmmmmmmmm <smacks lips> tasty

Darn it... Darn it..., Kuji31...

fine...

double fine....

hers your :cookie:

:P

shhhhhhhhhhhhh tell no one!
Kuje31
05-08-04, 04:19 PM Originally posted by madoule
Mmmmmmmmmm <smacks lips> tasty

Darn it... Darn it..., Kuji31...

fine...

double fine....

hers your :cookie:

:P

shhhhhhhhhhhhh tell no one!

Hmm maybe I need to add that to my FAQ, it seems to be a question people ask a lot. :)
Lashan
05-11-04, 12:39 PM The retainers of Talos don't have to be gods that he created, but servant gods that are under him. These gods don't even have to rise up against him, but just have to stop supporting him. Perhaps one gives valid information, or perhaps even one quites sending divine essence as tribute to him. This part can take many meanings.

As for retainer gods, how many does he have now?
-Velsharoon
-Umberlee
-Auril

Who else? I know I am forgetting some.
ywhtptgtfo
05-12-04, 03:51 AM Malar and one other.

I wonder if the next major focus of FR will be the emergence of the fifth servant god of Talos, which will be something that many would try to prevent.
Alac Luin
05-13-04, 11:46 AM Originally posted by Lashan
As for retainer gods, how many does he have now?
-Velsharoon
-Umberlee
-Auril

F&P lists "Deities of Fury" Auril, Malar, and Umberlee (Talos as leader)
Malar is the one you missed, I think.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
XhaoSuma 05-03-04, 03:04 PM	I found this passage on candlekeep.com. Its supposedly the last of Alaundo's prophecies, dated to happen in 2163 DR: "When Nightal is almost at a close/ There from the gate wall shall descend/ A serpent to blow the Horn of Doom/ At the graveyard Kingdom of Man. If the Star of Storms is its brightest/ When the dulcet ballad is played/ Soundest ground shall be torn asunder/ The tapestry forever frayed. But if the Raging King has failed/ To keep his five retainers true/ Come 'morrow, the blessed sun will rise/ And no chaos shall ill ensue." --Ninth Portents "Common Interpretation: This is one of Alaundo's most famous prophecies, as it is the last one to appear in "Ninth Portents." The date is not given, but scholars suggest that it refers to 2163 DR, the Year of the Saddened Magicians, the last year recorded in the Roll of Years. The prophecy is so famous that a number of common people in larger cities may recognize it, and the "Horn of Doom" is an expression used throughout the Moonsea region for any loud noise that causes a fright. The meaning of the word "serpent" is ambiguous at best: claims range from dragons to yuan-ti to human rouges with serpentine names. The "wall" is most likely the Spine of the World, or the North Wall in some older texts. The Kingdom of Man was an actual empire of little consequence which lasted about forty-five years, but because the actual name appears, there is a good chance the quatrains refer to some largely human kingdom, possibly Cormyr. The Star of Storms has two meanings; Uthgardt barbarians refer to the Aurora Borealis by such a colloquial term, but it is far more likely to refer to Talos, the Stormstar, as Alaundo uses the name in other prophecies. The tapestry is thought to refer to the magical weave, though it appears to be unique to this prediction as a metaphor for magical energy. Most interesting to some, perhaps, is the King and the five retainers. The king may likely be another reference to Talos, and it is thought that the five troops may be five servitor gods. As Talos is one of the most prolific (as well as oldest) of the gods as far as promoting mortals to such divine status, there is a certain cause for alarm to be taken from the passage. Currently it is believed that Talos does have five gods in his service, but certain sages knowledgeable about such things tend to discount Malyk for varying reasons." Anyway, just thought it might be fun to speculate on what this means and talk about Alaundo's prophecies in general. Also, is this passage form any book because there were a few other phophecies in this article and I'd love to read more of them. Its always fun to ponder the future of the Realms! -XhaoSuma P.S.-Who is Malyk?
Cunning Linguist 05-03-04, 03:16 PM	P.S.-Who is Malyk? He is either the former lord of Daggerfall, or the Demi-power who appeared in the Underdark after the destruction of Mystra.
XhaoSuma 05-03-04, 03:20 PM	Most likely the demi-god due to the contents of the prophecy.
Faraer 05-03-04, 03:24 PM	That's a fan article.
XhaoSuma 05-03-04, 03:31 PM	I realize that but much of the article seems to be compiled from various source material. I could be wrong but it seems that this guy wrote the article based on known Realmslore. And even if not, so what? Its still pretty darn interesting.
Faraer 05-03-04, 03:33 PM	I'm not saying it's bad, just answering your question 'is this passage form any book', which it's not.
XhaoSuma 05-03-04, 04:22 PM	I realize that the "Common Interpretation" part is just speculation but are there any books that have any "canon" prophecies? I know there is at least the one about the possible fall of Cormyr from the Cormyr books. Anyway, I've heard mention that Talos has always wanted to steal the Weave for himself. This above prophecy is very interesting as it could just be another ToT like incident, or it could be the end of Fearun as we know it! Comments, thoughts?
Kuje31 05-03-04, 04:48 PM	Originally posted by XhaoSuma I realize that the "Common Interpretation" part is just speculation but are there any books that have any "canon" prophecies? I know there is at least the one about the possible fall of Cormyr from the Cormyr books. Anyway, I've heard mention that Talos has always wanted to steal the Weave for himself. This above prophecy is very interesting as it could just be another ToT like incident, or it could be the end of Fearun as we know it! Comments, thoughts? The Spellfire novels (least I believe it was in those) mention Alaundo's ToT's prophecy.....
Mirtek 05-03-04, 05:58 PM	Originally posted by XhaoSuma The meaning of the word "serpent" is ambiguous at best: claims range from dragons to yuan-ti to human rouges with serpentine names. The "wall" is most likely the Spine of the World, or the North Wall in some older texts. Staying as close to canon realmslore as possible, the serpent certainly refers to Dendar The Night Serpent, who has the destiny to someday swallow Toril's sun and start apocalypse. In this case the wall is the mountain in Chult where she will emerge and which is, because of that, guarded by the greater god Ubtao (the other faerunian gods agreed to give him monopoly over Chult in turn for him taking the eternal guard against Dendar). Dendar (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/fr/elderevil) (also see 2e's Faiths&Avatars if you can get it)
Falstaff the Fighter 05-04-04, 12:29 PM	Yeah, its a fan thing, but its pretty fun to have a guess at it. Here is mine: "When Nightal is almost at a close/ A month, of course, but it could be somewhat figurative, a sort of twilight of the world, but I think its literal. There from the gate wall shall descend/ A serpent to blow the Horn of Doom/ Yep, this is Dendar and the mountain in Chult. At the graveyard Kingdom of Man. Another Chult refrence. If the Star of Storms is its brightest/ Talos most likely, a refrence to him reaching a height of power. It could be a celestial (Astronomy) refrence as well. A sort of star conjunction? I think its Talos though. When the dulcet ballad is played/ Hmmm... a refrence to a song, if literal. If the "star of storms" is a celestial event, it could mean a ritual to be conducted at this time. I still think the former refrence is to Talos though. Personally, if this were 2e, i would say it was a refrence to Heward's Mystcial Organ (Since it definately might be able to wreck great devastation is played right.). Unknown though. This could be anything. Soundest ground shall be torn asunder/ The tapestry forever frayed. The weave is toast. But if the Raging King has failed/ Raging King = Talos To keep his five retainers true/ Five servitor demi-gods who might rise up and turn on Talos, destroying him and saving the world. Come 'morrow, the blessed sun will rise/ And no chaos shall ill ensue." See above. Here is my interpretation: Talos will create five servitors, some of which might already exist (Velashroon.) who he will send to find a a heretofore unknown artifact or ritual (A horn or a song or some such, something.) that, if used / performed, will awaken Dendar and free her into the world, destroying everything. However, if his five minions turn on him and destroy Talos before hand, then the crisis will be averted and things will be okay. Anyone else got any thoughts?
XhaoSuma 05-06-04, 10:26 PM	One thing I love about this prophecy is that it has the potential to be not just a world-shaking event, but a world-ending (or ruining if its just the Weave) event. And although 2163 is far off and WotC may never reach it in "canon" material, this is a pretty nice plot to incorperate into a campaign (and I may do just that)! The scary thing is, Talos already has at least 3, maybe more that I can't think of at the moment, gods who serve him. -XhaoSuma
madoule 05-06-04, 11:03 PM	Speaking of Alaundo's Propecys, is there a complete list of the roll of years in its entirity? Im sure some years get a name, but others dont and how many have been used already?? thanks
Alac Luin 05-07-04, 06:56 PM	Originally posted by madoule Speaking of Alaundo's Propecys, is there a complete list of the roll of years in its entirity? Im sure some years get a name, but others dont and how many have been used already?? thanks It does exist, somewhere on the internet but I have no link, PM me with e-mail I'll send it to you. (checks harddrive to make sure it's still there, yep there) EDIT: see also the link that Kuje provided below.
Kuje31 05-07-04, 07:32 PM	Originally posted by madoule Speaking of Alaundo's Propecys, is there a complete list of the roll of years in its entirity? Im sure some years get a name, but others dont and how many have been used already?? thanks http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2566/rollofyears.rtf
madoule 05-08-04, 02:01 PM	Mmmmmmmmmm <smacks lips> tasty Darn it... Darn it..., Kuji31... fine... double fine.... hers your :cookie: :P shhhhhhhhhhhhh tell no one!
Kuje31 05-08-04, 04:19 PM	Originally posted by madoule Mmmmmmmmmm <smacks lips> tasty Darn it... Darn it..., Kuji31... fine... double fine.... hers your :cookie: :P shhhhhhhhhhhhh tell no one! Hmm maybe I need to add that to my FAQ, it seems to be a question people ask a lot. :)
Lashan 05-11-04, 12:39 PM	The retainers of Talos don't have to be gods that he created, but servant gods that are under him. These gods don't even have to rise up against him, but just have to stop supporting him. Perhaps one gives valid information, or perhaps even one quites sending divine essence as tribute to him. This part can take many meanings. As for retainer gods, how many does he have now? -Velsharoon -Umberlee -Auril Who else? I know I am forgetting some.
ywhtptgtfo 05-12-04, 03:51 AM	Malar and one other. I wonder if the next major focus of FR will be the emergence of the fifth servant god of Talos, which will be something that many would try to prevent.
Alac Luin 05-13-04, 11:46 AM	Originally posted by Lashan As for retainer gods, how many does he have now? -Velsharoon -Umberlee -Auril F&P lists "Deities of Fury" Auril, Malar, and Umberlee (Talos as leader) Malar is the one you missed, I think.