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Anybody else think this would be neat? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Shar Baenre
12-26-03, 09:43 PM I saw something on here about someone wishing they would make the "Necronomicon" as the next mature sourcebook. This got me thinking that it would be cool if they did it, but based in FR since there are so many undead wizards, the shades, and the origin of the dracolich... I was just thinking that it could be cool, with like a rundown of these undead power figures, like Larloch and Tzas, and maybe custom spells by them for necromancers to get. Anyway, just a thought... any opinions?
Dargoth
12-26-03, 09:58 PM There was a 2ed Book called the complete book of Necromancers that had an FR adventure in it
Wooly Rupert
12-27-03, 12:14 AM I don't like the idea, meself. Two two critter types that are most represented in D&D: undead and dragons. I like variety, but enough is enough! I mean, I remember reading (in 2nd edition) of some form of undead that is created when a mage casting contingency is killed by fire magic. How often is that really gonna happen?
Israfel666
12-27-03, 05:40 AM IMO, the Book of Vile Darkness had enough stuff on undead for my liking. And since the Book of Exalted Deeds gave us rules for good/neutral undead ("deathless", yeah... whatever), my graveyard needs are satisfied for the present :D
Shar Baenre
12-28-03, 02:03 AM I agree that the idea of undead as a whole is a bit overdone, but I still think that a Realms based version would be cool, almost like Lords of Darkness. But yeah, I can see how you guys would think its overdone as is.
SharsDarkestMinion
12-30-03, 03:08 PM Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
undead and dragons. I like variety, but enough is enough!

*high up in a tower in thay, the rejected tzas sheds a silent tear*

i don't see how you people can say that there are too many undead. they're people just like us! they've got feelings too! (er..kinda...well, maybe not...but still!) try walking a mile in their boney, disease-ridden, decayed feet. life - or unlife, rather - would suck as an undead. im sure they're angry that there are so many living around! i mean, geez, theyre everywhere! yeah, thats the *real* problem: all of these healthy creatures walking around with their accursed sentience and functional metabolism. who needs a constitution and intelligence score anyway! the world may be against you, undead, but ill support you to the end!:D
The Deep Dark
12-30-03, 05:56 PM I just wanted to add a few cents to this pile of copper. I think that a wizard falling victim to fire magic while casting contingecny could happen often. think about it. you are a wizard and you are casting spells to make a magic item and you have a fireball set to blast after you say this word or that word or whatever. you go to finish and something happens to you and you need to make a concentraion check and you screw it up and BAM fried wizkers. also I think they are using it as a base. say you want to creat lightning undead. now Im not sure on the exact facts cause I have not seen the undead in question. (no viledarkness for me.) I personaly think that WoC should have the harpers get off thier lazy rears and start doing something about all the evil that is taking Toril over.
primemover003
12-30-03, 06:12 PM It was either the Effigy or the Flameskull... both cool undead.
Neblin of the Green
12-31-03, 03:58 AM I've always found that the amount of undead options over satisfy the market.

And sometimes I find that the variety is building on existing ideas and modifying them very slightly. Such as revenant/ curst - ways to similar for my liking.

As a DM, I use undead with energy drain, for balancing out overpowerful characters.

A Nerconomicon, would be good if it didn't increase the number of available undead, but rather expands on the creation of undead, via certain spells or the process of becoming a lich. Spell components, processes, phylactery construction etc. For example in the Underdark expansion they talk about the one of the boneyard liches, waiting to the process to complete. ??????
CannonFodder2244
12-31-03, 03:01 PM Originally posted by SharsDarkestMinion
*high up in a tower in thay, the rejected tzas sheds a silent tear*

i don't see how you people can say that there are too many undead. they're people just like us! they've got feelings too! (er..kinda...well, maybe not...but still!) try walking a mile in their boney, disease-ridden, decayed feet. life - or unlife, rather - would suck as an undead. im sure they're angry that there are so many living around! i mean, geez, theyre everywhere! yeah, thats the *real* problem: all of these healthy creatures walking around with their accursed sentience and functional metabolism. who needs a constitution and intelligence score anyway! the world may be against you, undead, but ill support you to the end!:D

"We did not die on Abeir-Toril! Abeir-Toril died on us!"
Shar Baenre
01-01-04, 07:16 AM Originally posted by Neblin of the Green
I've always found that the amount of undead options over satisfy the market.

And sometimes I find that the variety is building on existing ideas and modifying them very slightly. Such as revenant/ curst - ways to similar for my liking.

As a DM, I use undead with energy drain, for balancing out overpowerful characters.

A Nerconomicon, would be good if it didn't increase the number of available undead, but rather expands on the creation of undead, via certain spells or the process of becoming a lich. Spell components, processes, phylactery construction etc. For example in the Underdark expansion they talk about the one of the boneyard liches, waiting to the process to complete. ??????

I agree with you, and this is more what I was aiming for... something dealing in more detail with them, rather than creating more, kinda like the Draconomicon just did with some old favorites. But yeah, it could talk about the histories of certain known liches and shades, the processes they took to become what they are, and where their phylacteries or life essences may be hidden. But the thing that really made me think of all this was the fact that there are so few necro spells, and I thought that in a land where most of the power-cats are undead, there should be some campaign specific focus on that as well.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Shar Baenre 12-26-03, 09:43 PM	I saw something on here about someone wishing they would make the "Necronomicon" as the next mature sourcebook. This got me thinking that it would be cool if they did it, but based in FR since there are so many undead wizards, the shades, and the origin of the dracolich... I was just thinking that it could be cool, with like a rundown of these undead power figures, like Larloch and Tzas, and maybe custom spells by them for necromancers to get. Anyway, just a thought... any opinions?
Dargoth 12-26-03, 09:58 PM	There was a 2ed Book called the complete book of Necromancers that had an FR adventure in it
Wooly Rupert 12-27-03, 12:14 AM	I don't like the idea, meself. Two two critter types that are most represented in D&D: undead and dragons. I like variety, but enough is enough! I mean, I remember reading (in 2nd edition) of some form of undead that is created when a mage casting contingency is killed by fire magic. How often is that really gonna happen?
Israfel666 12-27-03, 05:40 AM	IMO, the Book of Vile Darkness had enough stuff on undead for my liking. And since the Book of Exalted Deeds gave us rules for good/neutral undead ("deathless", yeah... whatever), my graveyard needs are satisfied for the present :D
Shar Baenre 12-28-03, 02:03 AM	I agree that the idea of undead as a whole is a bit overdone, but I still think that a Realms based version would be cool, almost like Lords of Darkness. But yeah, I can see how you guys would think its overdone as is.
SharsDarkestMinion 12-30-03, 03:08 PM	Originally posted by Wooly Rupert undead and dragons. I like variety, but enough is enough! high up in a tower in thay, the rejected tzas sheds a silent tear i don't see how you people can say that there are too many undead. they're people just like us! they've got feelings too! (er..kinda...well, maybe not...but still!) try walking a mile in their boney, disease-ridden, decayed feet. life - or unlife, rather - would suck as an undead. im sure they're angry that there are so many living around! i mean, geez, theyre everywhere! yeah, thats the real problem: all of these healthy creatures walking around with their accursed sentience and functional metabolism. who needs a constitution and intelligence score anyway! the world may be against you, undead, but ill support you to the end!:D
The Deep Dark 12-30-03, 05:56 PM	I just wanted to add a few cents to this pile of copper. I think that a wizard falling victim to fire magic while casting contingecny could happen often. think about it. you are a wizard and you are casting spells to make a magic item and you have a fireball set to blast after you say this word or that word or whatever. you go to finish and something happens to you and you need to make a concentraion check and you screw it up and BAM fried wizkers. also I think they are using it as a base. say you want to creat lightning undead. now Im not sure on the exact facts cause I have not seen the undead in question. (no viledarkness for me.) I personaly think that WoC should have the harpers get off thier lazy rears and start doing something about all the evil that is taking Toril over.
primemover003 12-30-03, 06:12 PM	It was either the Effigy or the Flameskull... both cool undead.
Neblin of the Green 12-31-03, 03:58 AM	I've always found that the amount of undead options over satisfy the market. And sometimes I find that the variety is building on existing ideas and modifying them very slightly. Such as revenant/ curst - ways to similar for my liking. As a DM, I use undead with energy drain, for balancing out overpowerful characters. A Nerconomicon, would be good if it didn't increase the number of available undead, but rather expands on the creation of undead, via certain spells or the process of becoming a lich. Spell components, processes, phylactery construction etc. For example in the Underdark expansion they talk about the one of the boneyard liches, waiting to the process to complete. ??????
CannonFodder2244 12-31-03, 03:01 PM	Originally posted by SharsDarkestMinion high up in a tower in thay, the rejected tzas sheds a silent tear i don't see how you people can say that there are too many undead. they're people just like us! they've got feelings too! (er..kinda...well, maybe not...but still!) try walking a mile in their boney, disease-ridden, decayed feet. life - or unlife, rather - would suck as an undead. im sure they're angry that there are so many living around! i mean, geez, theyre everywhere! yeah, thats the real problem: all of these healthy creatures walking around with their accursed sentience and functional metabolism. who needs a constitution and intelligence score anyway! the world may be against you, undead, but ill support you to the end!:D "We did not die on Abeir-Toril! Abeir-Toril died on us!"
Shar Baenre 01-01-04, 07:16 AM	Originally posted by Neblin of the Green I've always found that the amount of undead options over satisfy the market. And sometimes I find that the variety is building on existing ideas and modifying them very slightly. Such as revenant/ curst - ways to similar for my liking. As a DM, I use undead with energy drain, for balancing out overpowerful characters. A Nerconomicon, would be good if it didn't increase the number of available undead, but rather expands on the creation of undead, via certain spells or the process of becoming a lich. Spell components, processes, phylactery construction etc. For example in the Underdark expansion they talk about the one of the boneyard liches, waiting to the process to complete. ?????? I agree with you, and this is more what I was aiming for... something dealing in more detail with them, rather than creating more, kinda like the Draconomicon just did with some old favorites. But yeah, it could talk about the histories of certain known liches and shades, the processes they took to become what they are, and where their phylacteries or life essences may be hidden. But the thing that really made me think of all this was the fact that there are so few necro spells, and I thought that in a land where most of the power-cats are undead, there should be some campaign specific focus on that as well.