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Forsaken_Rocker 09-19-04, 03:25 PM	I just picked up Demon Stone for the ps2 and it is so awesome i could drop dead. But it changes a lot in Faerun (wont give away any spoilers but lets just say a famous wizard gets killled) I was just wondering when they write up the History in Faerun, if they count any of the video games in the history of Faerun, looking through the timeline i havent found anything yet, but ive only played a couple FR games (icewind dale 1&2, neverwinter nights, baulders gate 1&2, both dark alliance games for ps2) thanks
aravilar_holistacia 09-19-04, 03:47 PM	As far as I can tell, the video games don't add to the history. I don't remember seeing anything in the FRCS or the PGtF regarding events in games... I usually regard events in the games as either stories and legends, or rumors.
Cthulhu 09-19-04, 03:55 PM	I don't remember exactly but were not the events from the old Pool of Radiance computer game incorporated into the FR setting? And no I don't have a clue about the newer games.
EmeraldFox 09-19-04, 04:34 PM	The games do not add to the history. I mean think about it. In Baldur's Gate you can kill Drizzt and have a devastating war in the Sword Coast. In Neverwinter Nights, you kill EVERYBODY. Obould, Klauth, two high captains of Luskan, etc. Plus Neverwinter is virtually destroyed. This might be one of the reasons why the Neverwinter Nights novel was scrapped. Could the Forgotten Realms franchise stand to have so many of their intrigue sources destroyed? Maybe, but they won't. Rannek is going to be in the upcoming Drizzt novel though. SPOILERS So my friend wasn't lying. Khelben dies? Are you sure, did you finish it? End SPOILERS
Kuje31 09-19-04, 08:11 PM	The old SSI games were considered canon by TSR. However the newer games like BG or NwN's, etc, are not. BUT the novels and sourcebooks based on those games are. :) BTW that isn't the reason why NwN's novel was scrapped and the reason was mostly because the NwN game took so long to come out. Also that "novel" was a book of short stories based on the game. :)
warlockco 09-19-04, 08:30 PM	The old SSI games were considered canon by TSR. However the newer games like BG or NwN's, etc, are not. That's what I kinda thought, since the old God Box games only had Realms affecting outcomes only if the PCs failed. And if they didn't then only the local area, if even that, knew that the PCs even did anything. While BG and NwN are have things going on that does too much change in the world, and almost everyone would notice, and it would attract the attention of alot of the Big Guns.
Suu'thien Fethomir 09-19-04, 09:55 PM	FORGOTTEN REALMS: DEMON STONE SPOILER BELOW!! NO, Khelben does not die, are you out of your mind? lol. He's been in and out of so much crap in his life it's nigh impossible to kill the man, though this is bordering on novel discussion.
EmeraldFox 09-20-04, 06:14 PM	Oh thank God Suu'thien Fethomir! I'm going to shoot my lying friend in the face! I'll be getting the game any day now, once the game store restocks. Anyway, I was aware that the BG novels were canon, but I'm sort of at a lost to why none of the other novels or sources ever mention its events. I might be wrong, which in that case Kuje will promptly correct me, but a sequence of events that big should really be mentioned more often.
Kuje31 09-20-04, 06:19 PM	Anyway, I was aware that the BG novels were canon, but I'm sort of at a lost to why none of the other novels or sources ever mention its events. I might be wrong, which in that case Kuje will promptly correct me, but a sequence of events that big should really be mentioned more often. Parts of the BG games were mentioned in a sourcebook, as well as in Dragon articles. The sourcebook was Volo's Guide to BG II, writen by Ed to tie into the novels and the Dragon article stat'd the novel characters. The same with the Pools of Radiance:Attack on Myth Drannor novel, it had a module tied into it and also a Dragon article that stat'd the novel characters. :) Shrug 3/3.5e sources really doesn't need to mention those events because there is only so much room in sourcebooks and in the 3/3.5e material. There are a lot of 1e and 2e events not covered by 3/3.5e material. I called this also. I said about week ago it was time for a new, "Are the computer games considered canon" debate. :) :D
EmeraldFox 09-20-04, 09:17 PM	Could you tell me which Dragon issues have these articles? Hmm... I've never heard of Volo's Guide to BGII...
Kuje31 09-20-04, 10:19 PM	Could you tell me which Dragon issues have these articles? Hmm... I've never heard of Volo's Guide to BGII... It was supposed to be called, and its in game name is still that, Volo's Guide to the Lands of Intrigue but it was renamed to tie in with the BG games. The BG characters were stat'd in Dragon issue #262 in 2e and there is a Bhaalspawn template for 3e in Dragon issue #288. I can't find the issue # atm that has the characters from the last Pool of Radiance novel.
Forsaken_Rocker 09-22-04, 04:16 PM	Oh thank God Suu'thien Fethomir! I'm going to shoot my lying friend in the face! I'll be getting the game any day now, once the game store restocks. Anyway, I was aware that the BG novels were canon, but I'm sort of at a lost to why none of the other novels or sources ever mention its events. I might be wrong, which in that case Kuje will promptly correct me, but a sequence of events that big should really be mentioned more often. NOTHER DEMON STONE SPOILER!!1 Um... before you do anything to irrational you may want to let your friend beat the game first, you get the impression that he dies (sladd lord closing in on him when he is all but incapasitated) but he comes back in the end of the game
warlockco 09-22-04, 11:56 PM	I'm just interested on what map they used to make Demonstone. From what I read at the start of the guide, it takes place in Damara/Vaasa, yet has Nesme, Drizzt, and Khelben. What are people and cities from the North doing in the Cold Lands?!?
Forsaken_Rocker 09-23-04, 12:17 AM	I'm just interested on what map they used to make Demonstone. From what I read at the start of the guide, it takes place in Damara/Vaasa, yet has Nesme, Drizzt, and Khelben. What are people and cities from the North doing in the Cold Lands?!? MEDIUM SIZED DEMON STONE SPOILERS BELOW The warrior is an outcast rider from Nesme who felt drawn to Damara. The game starts as a battle between orcs in Damara, goes to Gemspark mines, they then travel to Khelben since he is the sorcerer's mentor, they then goto umm... jungle area in the very south west of Faerun (cant remember name, lots of yuan-ti) then they seek Drizzt for his tracking skills, then head into the underdark, then portal right by Damara again and once again goto Gemspark
warlockco 09-23-04, 12:20 AM	Ouch now my head hurts more. I heard that the warrior is going to be in the next Drizzt book, too bad Zhai couldn't be in there too, it was art of her that actually had me mildly interested in the game, until I took a look at how it was supposed to be played, way too consolish for me. I miss the old gold box games.
Thelandrach 09-23-04, 11:32 AM	I haven't seen any mention of the Netherese city Undrentide rising out of the Anauroch and flying around for a while before augering into the sand, so they probably didn't incorporate Shades of Undrentide... And you'd think, if Mephistopheles showed up and slagged major parts of Waterdeep, that'd be mentioned in a book somewhere... let along Halaster getting kidnapped...
Royton Chaney 09-23-04, 12:08 PM	I tend to think of the games as seperate from the published material, but incorporate my fave bits into my campaigns, such as the Bhaalspawn, Legion of the Chimera. I find that this adds a little more to the Realms in general and has so far provided some interesting spin-off ideas. (The Severed Hand from IWD and IWD2 has just reappeared in one of my campaigns, in exactly the same manner as the Event Horizon :)) Better stop before I go completely off-topic.
Kuje31 09-23-04, 12:25 PM	let along Halaster getting kidnapped... Can you give details about this even that happened in that game? Since since I didn't play that one. However, Halaster did get kidnapped once upon a time and it was only a few years ago in FR's history. :)
Thelandrach 09-24-04, 04:01 PM	Can you give details about this even that happened in that game? Since since I didn't play that one. However, Halaster did get kidnapped once upon a time and it was only a few years ago in FR's history. :) They don't give a lot of details, but an elven matriarch calling herself the Valsharess had him kidnapped and imprisoned so that he wouldn't interfere with her using Undermountain as a staging area for her invasion of Waterdeep. Halaster's version of the story is that he let a clone of himself get kidnapped so he could draw her out; when she showed up to gloat, he'd teleport in and nuke her. Unfortunately for his master plan, Our Hero shows up first and breaks the clone free. Halaster is Not Pleased and geases Our Hero into going and killing the Valsharess for him.
Sarleryon 09-24-04, 04:16 PM	The City of Shade in the Anauroch could be related / tied into Undrentide, it has a similar background. It's said that wizards of the City of Shade are long lived archmages from the time of Karsis, and when he went kablooey they moved their beholden City into the demi-plane of shadows and reappeared only recently, bringing the shades with them.
Kuje31 09-24-04, 04:24 PM	They don't give a lot of details, but an elven matriarch calling herself the Valsharess had him kidnapped and imprisoned so that he wouldn't interfere with her using Undermountain as a staging area for her invasion of Waterdeep. Halaster's version of the story is that he let a clone of himself get kidnapped so he could draw her out; when she showed up to gloat, he'd teleport in and nuke her. Unfortunately for his master plan, Our Hero shows up first and breaks the clone free. Halaster is Not Pleased and geases Our Hero into going and killing the Valsharess for him. Ah I guess this is different kidnapping then. Ah well. :)
Aluroon 09-27-04, 06:09 PM	NOTHER DEMON STONE SPOILER!!1 Um... before you do anything to irrational you may want to let your friend beat the game first, you get the impression that he dies (sladd lord closing in on him when he is all but incapasitated) but he comes back in the end of the game So who dies? El? :devil: Aluroon
Forsaken_Rocker 09-27-04, 10:59 PM	well, no one dies, just got the impression they did, but after i completed the game, no one really died