Bane resurrection [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bane resurrection [Archive] - Wizards Community

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tomerbr1
09-17-06, 01:29 AM Hello,
does any body knows in which book (novel) can I find the story of bane resurrection?
BrianCritchley
09-17-06, 02:25 AM none, this question crops up so often it really should be included in a FAQ. :)

that or WOTC should take the hint that there's MAJOR intrest in a book about Bane. they shoulda done a Bane book when they did a series on the preists.
Old Sage
09-17-06, 04:09 AM Hello,
does any body knows in which book (novel) can I find the story of bane resurrection?There isn't and it's been asked for repeatedly. WotC keeps telling Ed, and others, no.

The FRCS and F&P references are the only sources we have on this. They gave us small notes saying that on this one particular night (Midwinter night of 1372 DR), all worshippers of Iyachtu Xvim had a dream where they saw him split apart and Bane emerge from within.

So Bane came back, at the cost of one who was in my opinion a better evil deity.
BrianCritchley
09-17-06, 05:03 AM we'll have to see how bane does I mean he's got a rep for a reason
Iakhovas
09-17-06, 09:58 AM I still say that Bane never did return. The god calling himself Bane today is in fact Iyactu Xvim, reborn in a grand metamorphosis similar to that undertaken recently by Lloth.
Old Sage
09-17-06, 10:18 AM 'Tis an intriguing theory Brian, and one I've tinkered with myself.

I've theorised that Bane'e Return wasn't planned, and when Xvim had gathered enough of Bane's power and essence, it reached a critical mass and overwhelmed him. I can see Bane, after such an event, being a little different from what he was previously -- perhaps even existing as a merged being between both himself and what was left of Xvim.

His symbols and colour change to more closely match Xvim. That would also indicate more of a merge -- which, in my opinion, points to the theory I listed. Xvim's (ascended) symbol looked more like his dad's -- only with the hand sitting with the thumb facing the left, rather than the right like Bane's. And Xvim's symbols have always had eyes -- old and ascended.

Bane's new symbol has still got the black fist (facing the same way as his old symbol) and squeezing green rays. Xvim's symbols always had a green component to them -- in the form of those eyes on his symbols. Perhaps the green rays in the new Bane symbol could reflect Xvim's past existence with Bane -- maybe illustrating how Xvim was later replaced (or rather subsumed) by a resurrected Bane by the fact that his black fist is closing in on the green rays (that represent Xvim).

And we must not forget that Bane's old symbol had the black hand on a red field -- so Bane 2.0 is using Xvim's colors. The green mainly... though, as I said above, Bane's Hand is still the same in the new symbol as it was in the old -- just clutching rather than flat. Bane 2.0 is utilising Xvim's green.

If the "planned" explanation is used, then Bane should have kept his old colours of red and black. The fact that he's using black and green suggests that some of Xvim remains... And that's another interesting thing: how much of a tyrant could Bane be if he couldn't even totally subsume his own son?

The more I think about this and the lore we do have, the more I tend to think that Bane's return was as much a surprise to him as it was to anyone else.

Though... Bane's Hand is squeezing the green rays -- and if we look at that from the "Bane-eventually-subsumes-Xvim" stand point, that image itself could suggest Bane is perhaps closing in around Xvim's remnants, or rather, slowly squeezing it out of existence (or rather again, completely consuming it).

It could be, if we assume Bane's Return was in fact an opportunity rather than something properly planned on Bane's behalf, that Bane's current image is transitory. Once Bane's completely consumes what remains of Xvim into his being... Bane's older symbol (or a new and reinvigorated symbol) may become apparent. Bane's resurrection then, will be properly complete.

It could also be that Bane's hand is clutching an object that is shining forth, despite his desire to contain it... Xvim perhaps. Sure, it's not appropriate for a god of tyranny, but it is an alternate interpretation. The aspect shining forth could represent also Freedom. Bane's squeezing or crushing it could suggest how tyranny is usually equated with the end of freedom.

If that's the case... then it's highly appropriate.
Lord Karsus
09-17-06, 11:12 PM -Bane almost came back in the novel Finder's Bane. That's the closest you'll ever get to Bane returning in a novel, as of now.
The Ubbergeek
09-18-06, 12:14 AM I still say that Bane never did return. The god calling himself Bane today is in fact Iyactu Xvim, reborn in a grand metamorphosis similar to that undertaken recently by Lloth.

Nice idea,l but I prefer it reversed; what if Bane NEVER died, and that the 'Son' was a decoy, a ruse to hide his real plans, like a chrysalide?
Lord Karsus
09-18-06, 12:26 AM -While we're randomly hurling theories, it could all just be a plot of Cyric, the lord of illusions and deception, as a way for him to gain the worship of all those Banites who never converted.
Chloramantis
09-18-06, 12:05 PM -While we're randomly hurling theories, it could all just be a plot of Cyric, the lord of illusions and deception, as a way for him to gain the worship of all those Banites who never converted.

Cyric wasn't the Lord of Illusions AND Deception until after Bane's death, no?
Lord Karsus
09-18-06, 12:14 PM -Cyric gained those portfolios after he and Mask killed Leira, who was the former holder of said portfolios. Was this after Bane was killed by Torm? Well, it had to have been, since Cyric became a deity after Bane died.

-But, like I said, within the Zhentarim, there was a power struggle between the Cyricists and the Banites. Cyric posing as Bane, which would be feasable because of his position as Lord of Intrigue, Lies and Illusions. But, in all likelihood, it's a though out, but zany, hypothesis.
Chloramantis
09-18-06, 12:21 PM I always thought like Ubbergeek, but other theories are very possible. I was mad that Bane never took back his old symbol, and in my little world, Banites use the Red and Black configuration over the Green and Black. To me, I can't see old school Banites using Green over Red! Maybe newer Banites use Green and old hold-out Banites still perfer Red.

I see another split in Bane's church, Orthodox (Red and Black) vs. Arisen (Green and Black). Hence, Bane's legitamacy in the portfolio of Strife (here we go again).

I guess we'll never really know, until a novel is written?
Chloramantis
09-18-06, 12:38 PM -Cyric gained those portfolios after he and Mask killed Leira, who was the former holder of said portfolios. Was this after Bane was killed by Torm? Well, it had to have been, since Cyric became a deity after Bane died.

-But, like I said, within the Zhentarim, there was a power struggle between the Cyricists and the Banites. Cyric posing as Bane, which would be feasable because of his position as Lord of Intrigue, Lies and Illusions. But, in all likelihood, it's a though out, but zany, hypothesis.

Cyric posing as Bane did mess a lot up, didn't it. Let me think, you're right! If Bane was planning for his son to take over after his death, then why didn't Xvim instantly pose as Bane instead letting Cyric do it. If Fzoul didn't turn to Cyric and then Xvim and then Bane, things wouldn't be so messed up in the Zhentarim.
thorchilde
09-18-06, 10:08 PM Xvim didn't instantly pose as Bane after his fathers death b/c he was trapped beneath Zhentil Keep. It wasn't until the Keep was besieged, that Xvim was released from his prison. I like Old Sages' theory, as my campaign is still in 1371 DR, I might use this with my group.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
tomerbr1 09-17-06, 01:29 AM	Hello, does any body knows in which book (novel) can I find the story of bane resurrection?
BrianCritchley 09-17-06, 02:25 AM	none, this question crops up so often it really should be included in a FAQ. :) that or WOTC should take the hint that there's MAJOR intrest in a book about Bane. they shoulda done a Bane book when they did a series on the preists.
Old Sage 09-17-06, 04:09 AM	Hello, does any body knows in which book (novel) can I find the story of bane resurrection?There isn't and it's been asked for repeatedly. WotC keeps telling Ed, and others, no. The FRCS and F&P references are the only sources we have on this. They gave us small notes saying that on this one particular night (Midwinter night of 1372 DR), all worshippers of Iyachtu Xvim had a dream where they saw him split apart and Bane emerge from within. So Bane came back, at the cost of one who was in my opinion a better evil deity.
BrianCritchley 09-17-06, 05:03 AM	we'll have to see how bane does I mean he's got a rep for a reason
Iakhovas 09-17-06, 09:58 AM	I still say that Bane never did return. The god calling himself Bane today is in fact Iyactu Xvim, reborn in a grand metamorphosis similar to that undertaken recently by Lloth.
Old Sage 09-17-06, 10:18 AM	'Tis an intriguing theory Brian, and one I've tinkered with myself. I've theorised that Bane'e Return wasn't planned, and when Xvim had gathered enough of Bane's power and essence, it reached a critical mass and overwhelmed him. I can see Bane, after such an event, being a little different from what he was previously -- perhaps even existing as a merged being between both himself and what was left of Xvim. His symbols and colour change to more closely match Xvim. That would also indicate more of a merge -- which, in my opinion, points to the theory I listed. Xvim's (ascended) symbol looked more like his dad's -- only with the hand sitting with the thumb facing the left, rather than the right like Bane's. And Xvim's symbols have always had eyes -- old and ascended. Bane's new symbol has still got the black fist (facing the same way as his old symbol) and squeezing green rays. Xvim's symbols always had a green component to them -- in the form of those eyes on his symbols. Perhaps the green rays in the new Bane symbol could reflect Xvim's past existence with Bane -- maybe illustrating how Xvim was later replaced (or rather subsumed) by a resurrected Bane by the fact that his black fist is closing in on the green rays (that represent Xvim). And we must not forget that Bane's old symbol had the black hand on a red field -- so Bane 2.0 is using Xvim's colors. The green mainly... though, as I said above, Bane's Hand is still the same in the new symbol as it was in the old -- just clutching rather than flat. Bane 2.0 is utilising Xvim's green. If the "planned" explanation is used, then Bane should have kept his old colours of red and black. The fact that he's using black and green suggests that some of Xvim remains... And that's another interesting thing: how much of a tyrant could Bane be if he couldn't even totally subsume his own son? The more I think about this and the lore we do have, the more I tend to think that Bane's return was as much a surprise to him as it was to anyone else. Though... Bane's Hand is squeezing the green rays -- and if we look at that from the "Bane-eventually-subsumes-Xvim" stand point, that image itself could suggest Bane is perhaps closing in around Xvim's remnants, or rather, slowly squeezing it out of existence (or rather again, completely consuming it). It could be, if we assume Bane's Return was in fact an opportunity rather than something properly planned on Bane's behalf, that Bane's current image is transitory. Once Bane's completely consumes what remains of Xvim into his being... Bane's older symbol (or a new and reinvigorated symbol) may become apparent. Bane's resurrection then, will be properly complete. It could also be that Bane's hand is clutching an object that is shining forth, despite his desire to contain it... Xvim perhaps. Sure, it's not appropriate for a god of tyranny, but it is an alternate interpretation. The aspect shining forth could represent also Freedom. Bane's squeezing or crushing it could suggest how tyranny is usually equated with the end of freedom. If that's the case... then it's highly appropriate.
Lord Karsus 09-17-06, 11:12 PM	-Bane almost came back in the novel Finder's Bane. That's the closest you'll ever get to Bane returning in a novel, as of now.
The Ubbergeek 09-18-06, 12:14 AM	I still say that Bane never did return. The god calling himself Bane today is in fact Iyactu Xvim, reborn in a grand metamorphosis similar to that undertaken recently by Lloth. Nice idea,l but I prefer it reversed; what if Bane NEVER died, and that the 'Son' was a decoy, a ruse to hide his real plans, like a chrysalide?
Lord Karsus 09-18-06, 12:26 AM	-While we're randomly hurling theories, it could all just be a plot of Cyric, the lord of illusions and deception, as a way for him to gain the worship of all those Banites who never converted.
Chloramantis 09-18-06, 12:05 PM	-While we're randomly hurling theories, it could all just be a plot of Cyric, the lord of illusions and deception, as a way for him to gain the worship of all those Banites who never converted. Cyric wasn't the Lord of Illusions AND Deception until after Bane's death, no?
Lord Karsus 09-18-06, 12:14 PM	-Cyric gained those portfolios after he and Mask killed Leira, who was the former holder of said portfolios. Was this after Bane was killed by Torm? Well, it had to have been, since Cyric became a deity after Bane died. -But, like I said, within the Zhentarim, there was a power struggle between the Cyricists and the Banites. Cyric posing as Bane, which would be feasable because of his position as Lord of Intrigue, Lies and Illusions. But, in all likelihood, it's a though out, but zany, hypothesis.
Chloramantis 09-18-06, 12:21 PM	I always thought like Ubbergeek, but other theories are very possible. I was mad that Bane never took back his old symbol, and in my little world, Banites use the Red and Black configuration over the Green and Black. To me, I can't see old school Banites using Green over Red! Maybe newer Banites use Green and old hold-out Banites still perfer Red. I see another split in Bane's church, Orthodox (Red and Black) vs. Arisen (Green and Black). Hence, Bane's legitamacy in the portfolio of Strife (here we go again). I guess we'll never really know, until a novel is written?
Chloramantis 09-18-06, 12:38 PM	-Cyric gained those portfolios after he and Mask killed Leira, who was the former holder of said portfolios. Was this after Bane was killed by Torm? Well, it had to have been, since Cyric became a deity after Bane died. -But, like I said, within the Zhentarim, there was a power struggle between the Cyricists and the Banites. Cyric posing as Bane, which would be feasable because of his position as Lord of Intrigue, Lies and Illusions. But, in all likelihood, it's a though out, but zany, hypothesis. Cyric posing as Bane did mess a lot up, didn't it. Let me think, you're right! If Bane was planning for his son to take over after his death, then why didn't Xvim instantly pose as Bane instead letting Cyric do it. If Fzoul didn't turn to Cyric and then Xvim and then Bane, things wouldn't be so messed up in the Zhentarim.
thorchilde 09-18-06, 10:08 PM	Xvim didn't instantly pose as Bane after his fathers death b/c he was trapped beneath Zhentil Keep. It wasn't until the Keep was besieged, that Xvim was released from his prison. I like Old Sages' theory, as my campaign is still in 1371 DR, I might use this with my group.