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Cunning Linguist 01-03-04, 02:46 PM	If some Native Outsiders from Toril, lets say a Aasimar and a Teifling from Thay, where to be traveling in the Astral Plane, and some Gith Wizard cast a Banishment spell on them.. where would they go? Toril? (in that case, where on Toril) The Outer Planes? Despite several generations without planer interferance?
Kuje31 01-03-04, 02:57 PM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist If some Native Outsiders from Toril, lets say a Aasimar and a Teifling from Thay, where to be traveling in the Astral Plane, and some Gith Wizard cast a Banishment spell on them.. where would they go? Toril? (in that case, where on Toril) The Outer Planes? Despite several generations without planer interferance? I'd say they would return to Toril and to the place on Toril where they were born or where there home region is.......
Bloodtide_the_Red 01-03-04, 09:41 PM	A Native Outsider is native to the plane they were born on.....so if they are from Thay, that makes them native to Toril...just like an elf or human in FR. When your banished, it realy does not say where you go...you could appear anywhere on Toril. BT
Garen Thal 01-03-04, 10:26 PM	A quick note: on transitive planes (including the Astral Plane), no creature has the extraplanar subtype; see the description of the subtype in the Monster Manual. Lacking the extraplanar subtype, the banishment spell fails to remove anyone from the immediate area. The example situation would have to occur on one of the Outer or Inner Planes. Beyond that, however, there's nothing that really delineates where an extraplanar creature appears when forced off of a plane. It's entirely in the DM's purview to determine where exactly the character will appear. Nothing about the banishment spell says that a target is forced onto a specific plane, only that they are forced off the caster's home plane. An aasimar might wind up on another Outer Plane, or even on the Ethereal, as close to or far from Faerūn as they might imagine.
Cunning Linguist 01-04-04, 10:24 AM	Hmm.. Is that so you say? You see im reading the Lich Queen's beloveds adventure from Dungon 100. (Going to do a twist with some Illithids, since I have evil players) but anyhu, there is a tiefling, a aasimar, a fey'ri and some normal humans. In one encounter it says "During the first round of battle, he cast dimensional anchor on a enemy spellcaster, followied by banishment on opponentes with poor will saves." So it would be dimensjonal anchor on the fey'ri and banishment on the tiefling. But sinch this battle is going on in the astral plane, this would be a stupid tactic done by the wizard? Nothing would happen?
Garen Thal 01-04-04, 03:03 PM	Well, if I'm not mistaken, Dungeon #100 was still operating under 3.0 rules, which don't mention where banishment will or will not work. The passage about transitive planes comes from the 3.5 interpretation of the rules: 1) Banishment only works on extraplanar creatures (that's straight from the spell). 2) No creature is considered extraplanar on a transitive plane (Monster Manual 3.5). Given 1) and 2), it follows that 3) Banishment is a useless spell on transitive planes, at least according to D&D v.3.5.
Cunning Linguist 01-04-04, 04:13 PM	Dungeon 100 has the 3.5 Damage Reduction rules in place at least, but it must be a mistake by Christopher Perkins.
JybraEel 01-05-04, 01:07 AM	What would happen if a character native to a plane that they were on were banished/dismissed while on it? Could they not leave that plane for 100 years?
Kuje31 01-05-04, 01:14 AM	Originally posted by JybraEel What would happen if a character native to a plane that they were on were banished/dismissed while on it? Could they not leave that plane for 100 years? You cant banish some one if that is thier native plane..... They are alrdy on thier native plane so they wouldn't go any where and it wouldn't affect them.
Bocklin 01-06-04, 10:18 AM	(mistake -> please delete this specific post, I can't do it)
Bocklin 01-06-04, 10:21 AM	Hi! I am afraid I am going to add to the confusion with this question. In FCRS, where the races are described, doesn't it say that plane-touched creatures like Aasimar or Tieflings would be banished from Toril if falling victims of the above mentioned spell ? This seemed to me to be the downset for being somehow "from somewhere else". What do you think? And then where to would they be banished? Should the DM use the "random portal destination" table? Bocklin
cwslyclgh 01-06-04, 02:15 PM	In FCRS, where the races are described, doesn't it say that plane-touched creatures like Aasimar or Tieflings would be banished from Toril if falling victims of the above mentioned spell ? This seemed to me to be the downset for being somehow "from somewhere else". no actually the FRCS says that assimar and Teiflings can't be banished by the spell (and is from the point of view that they are on Toril at the time of the spells casting)
Wooly Rupert 01-06-04, 02:38 PM	Originally posted by cwslyclgh no actually the FRCS says that assimar and Teiflings can't be banished by the spell (and is from the point of view that they are on Toril at the time of the spells casting) You are incorrect. Page 18 says that native outsiders, which includes tieflings and aasimar, are subject to being banished. However, other spells that drive extra-planar sorts back to their home planes do not work on the plane-touched, since they are on their native plane. Banishment just kicks them off of the caster's home plane. No destination is specified.
cwslyclgh 01-06-04, 03:37 PM	Ah I see... (this would be in part, because banishment wroked differntly in 3.0 then it does in 3.5, banishment now only affects creatures with the extraplanar subtype, which native outsiders do not possess, in 3.0 it affected all outsiders).
Bocklin 01-06-04, 04:53 PM	Then, to take a look at a 3.5 version of the plane-touched characters, I grabbed a copy of my Unapproachable East (the Star Elves are plane-touched). It seems that here, rather than being simply "native-outsiders", they got the "Extraplanar" descriptor. In their cases, since they DO have a native plane that is NOT Toril, they get bumbed back to their plane "Sildeyuir". Makes sense in the light of the previous exchange. ...so the comparison does not stand with the Aasimars or Tieflings, I agree (with myself, which usually is a good thing)... Now, the Monsters Manual 3.5 gives the "Outsider (native)" descriptive to both Aasimar and Tieflings. How does this translate for our question in 3.5 rules, I wonder. Any idea out there ? Bocklin