Bladesinger flavour [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bladesinger flavour [Archive] - Wizards Community

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serow_#R
08-25-06, 12:23 PM seeing that there are a few Bladesinger threads around, i've really gotten intrigued by this class. i only have CW though, which doesn't really say much. and i don't have RoF either, so i can't check there.

could someone pls tell me the flavour of the Bladesingers? are they an actual organisation? or some kinda status?
MerrikCale
08-25-06, 02:05 PM My sense is that they are almost "jedi" like. The whole teacher/student ideal. My memory is that each bladesinger tutors for an extended period under one master. I don't beilieve they have an organized body, however.
GothicDan
08-25-06, 03:10 PM Bladesingers are elite Elven fighter/mages who champion the Elven people above all else; they cannot knowingly harm an elf, even in self defense or to prevent them from doing evil. They are organized into lodges, traditionally, though depending on the Elven kingdom, this varied (the Bladesingers of Cormanthyr were often captains of the various armies and formed an elite Sun Elf Guard for the royal family).
Lord Karsus
08-26-06, 12:10 AM -In a nutshell, think Jedi + Elves + Samurai, only cooler than everything that you get in that equation.
Prince Indirian
08-26-06, 03:24 AM Bladesingers are elite Elven fighter/mages who champion the Elven people above all else; they cannot knowingly harm an elf, even in self defense or to prevent them from doing evil. They are organized into lodges, traditionally, though depending on the Elven kingdom, this varied (the Bladesingers of Cormanthyr were often captains of the various armies and formed an elite Sun Elf Guard for the royal family).

Exactly what guard are you talking about now, the Armathors or the protectors ? I am quite sure the Armathors were the Royal guards while Protectors were the noble guard (all but the royal family, I suppose) or are we talking the knights whom were similiar to those of the Knights of Evermeet ?
GothicDan
08-26-06, 02:08 PM I was referring to the Protectors; sorry, noble guard in stead of royal guard.

It's stated that Armathor Bladesingers were very rare. This is probably because they were more focused on magic than arms.
Bladesong
08-26-06, 03:27 PM Hmm... I really like the bladesinger but I'm starting to really like the Champion of Corellon too. How does the bladesinger stack up to the champion?
Dark Wizard
08-26-06, 04:11 PM If you like that shiny suit of mithral full plate, like defending elves with just your sword, and want to be an elven knight, go with the Champion.
If you like that equally shiny elven chainmail, would like to toss a few spells around and be the elven version of an arcane "paladin," be a Bladesinger.
Bladesong
08-26-06, 04:24 PM Hmm... so do the champions exist on Faerun? Are there any NPCs that are statted with those levels?
Dark Wizard
08-26-06, 04:29 PM There are no stat'ed Champions that I can recall, but that PrC is certainly a more logical class to introduce into the Realms than Elves with levels of the standard PHB paladin.
Prince Indirian
08-27-06, 03:19 AM I was referring to the Protectors; sorry, noble guard in stead of royal guard.

It's stated that Armathor Bladesingers were very rare. This is probably because they were more focused on magic than arms.

But the Armathors were likely Sun Elves any way (at least in the beginning).
Selvarin
08-28-06, 02:46 AM There are no stat'ed Champions that I can recall, but that PrC is certainly a more logical class to introduce into the Realms than Elves with levels of the standard PHB paladin.

Holy Liberators (Complete Divine) work just as well. Personally, though, I don't see a prob with allowing for NG paladins (which would make paladins of Sune more palatable in the process). The one beef I have with the CW bladesinger is the Song of Celerity. On one hand it's more limiting (can be used once or twice per day max) and at the same time a bit too open (i.e., any 2nd-level spell at 4th level, 4th level spell at 8th level). The drawback with the FR bladesinger is that the bladesinger spells don't "stack", per se, which is a loss to those who want to keep building up their arcane capability. But there's some logic to the kinds of spells the FR bladesinger can cast--all of the spells are of a personal sort, either augmenting movement, the bladesinger's weapon, or himself/herself.
GothicDan
08-28-06, 03:27 AM It doesn't run very well with the original Bladesinger concept, though.

I understand that not everything can be directly translated from one edition to the next, but if for some reason they're not even going to -try- to translate things as they originally were, I would rather that they simply be new things altogether, rather than redefining old things.
Selvarin
08-28-06, 03:35 AM It doesn't run very well with the original Bladesinger concept, though.

I understand that not everything can be directly translated from one edition to the next, but if for some reason they're not even going to -try- to translate things as they originally were, I would rather that they simply be new things altogether, rather than redefining old things.

I wound up using the CW bladesinger but I squidged the Song of Celerity so that the bladesinger can use a total spell level equal to his bladesinger level quickened. So, starting at 4th level a bladesinger in my campaign can use SoC on up to 4 spell levels' worth, but none above 2nd level. At 8th level it increases to 8 spell levels (none above 4th), and finally 10 at 10th level. So, more spells usable with SoC than the CW bladesinger but not as many as the FR version, plus he/she still gets to advance their arcane spellcasting ability overall.

Also, the spells eligible for use with SoC have to augment/affect either the weapon or the bladesinger. so no quickened fireballs. So I think this is a good compromise in flavor of versaitility and original flavor.
MerrikCale
08-30-06, 09:52 PM I wound up using the CW bladesinger but I squidged the Song of Celerity so that the bladesinger can use a total spell level equal to his bladesinger level quickened. So, starting at 4th level a bladesinger in my campaign can use SoC on up to 4 spell levels' worth, but none above 2nd level. At 8th level it increases to 8 spell levels (none above 4th), and finally 10 at 10th level. So, more spells usable with SoC than the CW bladesinger but not as many as the FR version, plus he/she still gets to advance their arcane spellcasting ability overall.

Also, the spells eligible for use with SoC have to augment/affect either the weapon or the bladesinger. so no quickened fireballs. So I think this is a good compromise in flavor of versaitility and original flavor.

I like that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
serow_#R 08-25-06, 12:23 PM	seeing that there are a few Bladesinger threads around, i've really gotten intrigued by this class. i only have CW though, which doesn't really say much. and i don't have RoF either, so i can't check there. could someone pls tell me the flavour of the Bladesingers? are they an actual organisation? or some kinda status?
MerrikCale 08-25-06, 02:05 PM	My sense is that they are almost "jedi" like. The whole teacher/student ideal. My memory is that each bladesinger tutors for an extended period under one master. I don't beilieve they have an organized body, however.
GothicDan 08-25-06, 03:10 PM	Bladesingers are elite Elven fighter/mages who champion the Elven people above all else; they cannot knowingly harm an elf, even in self defense or to prevent them from doing evil. They are organized into lodges, traditionally, though depending on the Elven kingdom, this varied (the Bladesingers of Cormanthyr were often captains of the various armies and formed an elite Sun Elf Guard for the royal family).
Lord Karsus 08-26-06, 12:10 AM	-In a nutshell, think Jedi + Elves + Samurai, only cooler than everything that you get in that equation.
Prince Indirian 08-26-06, 03:24 AM	Bladesingers are elite Elven fighter/mages who champion the Elven people above all else; they cannot knowingly harm an elf, even in self defense or to prevent them from doing evil. They are organized into lodges, traditionally, though depending on the Elven kingdom, this varied (the Bladesingers of Cormanthyr were often captains of the various armies and formed an elite Sun Elf Guard for the royal family). Exactly what guard are you talking about now, the Armathors or the protectors ? I am quite sure the Armathors were the Royal guards while Protectors were the noble guard (all but the royal family, I suppose) or are we talking the knights whom were similiar to those of the Knights of Evermeet ?
GothicDan 08-26-06, 02:08 PM	I was referring to the Protectors; sorry, noble guard in stead of royal guard. It's stated that Armathor Bladesingers were very rare. This is probably because they were more focused on magic than arms.
Bladesong 08-26-06, 03:27 PM	Hmm... I really like the bladesinger but I'm starting to really like the Champion of Corellon too. How does the bladesinger stack up to the champion?
Dark Wizard 08-26-06, 04:11 PM	If you like that shiny suit of mithral full plate, like defending elves with just your sword, and want to be an elven knight, go with the Champion. If you like that equally shiny elven chainmail, would like to toss a few spells around and be the elven version of an arcane "paladin," be a Bladesinger.
Bladesong 08-26-06, 04:24 PM	Hmm... so do the champions exist on Faerun? Are there any NPCs that are statted with those levels?
Dark Wizard 08-26-06, 04:29 PM	There are no stat'ed Champions that I can recall, but that PrC is certainly a more logical class to introduce into the Realms than Elves with levels of the standard PHB paladin.
Prince Indirian 08-27-06, 03:19 AM	I was referring to the Protectors; sorry, noble guard in stead of royal guard. It's stated that Armathor Bladesingers were very rare. This is probably because they were more focused on magic than arms. But the Armathors were likely Sun Elves any way (at least in the beginning).
Selvarin 08-28-06, 02:46 AM	There are no stat'ed Champions that I can recall, but that PrC is certainly a more logical class to introduce into the Realms than Elves with levels of the standard PHB paladin. Holy Liberators (Complete Divine) work just as well. Personally, though, I don't see a prob with allowing for NG paladins (which would make paladins of Sune more palatable in the process). The one beef I have with the CW bladesinger is the Song of Celerity. On one hand it's more limiting (can be used once or twice per day max) and at the same time a bit too open (i.e., any 2nd-level spell at 4th level, 4th level spell at 8th level). The drawback with the FR bladesinger is that the bladesinger spells don't "stack", per se, which is a loss to those who want to keep building up their arcane capability. But there's some logic to the kinds of spells the FR bladesinger can cast--all of the spells are of a personal sort, either augmenting movement, the bladesinger's weapon, or himself/herself.
GothicDan 08-28-06, 03:27 AM	It doesn't run very well with the original Bladesinger concept, though. I understand that not everything can be directly translated from one edition to the next, but if for some reason they're not even going to -try- to translate things as they originally were, I would rather that they simply be new things altogether, rather than redefining old things.
Selvarin 08-28-06, 03:35 AM	It doesn't run very well with the original Bladesinger concept, though. I understand that not everything can be directly translated from one edition to the next, but if for some reason they're not even going to -try- to translate things as they originally were, I would rather that they simply be new things altogether, rather than redefining old things. I wound up using the CW bladesinger but I squidged the Song of Celerity so that the bladesinger can use a total spell level equal to his bladesinger level quickened. So, starting at 4th level a bladesinger in my campaign can use SoC on up to 4 spell levels' worth, but none above 2nd level. At 8th level it increases to 8 spell levels (none above 4th), and finally 10 at 10th level. So, more spells usable with SoC than the CW bladesinger but not as many as the FR version, plus he/she still gets to advance their arcane spellcasting ability overall. Also, the spells eligible for use with SoC have to augment/affect either the weapon or the bladesinger. so no quickened fireballs. So I think this is a good compromise in flavor of versaitility and original flavor.
MerrikCale 08-30-06, 09:52 PM	I wound up using the CW bladesinger but I squidged the Song of Celerity so that the bladesinger can use a total spell level equal to his bladesinger level quickened. So, starting at 4th level a bladesinger in my campaign can use SoC on up to 4 spell levels' worth, but none above 2nd level. At 8th level it increases to 8 spell levels (none above 4th), and finally 10 at 10th level. So, more spells usable with SoC than the CW bladesinger but not as many as the FR version, plus he/she still gets to advance their arcane spellcasting ability overall. Also, the spells eligible for use with SoC have to augment/affect either the weapon or the bladesinger. so no quickened fireballs. So I think this is a good compromise in flavor of versaitility and original flavor. I like that.