Cosmology: Placement of the "Far Realm" [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cosmology: Placement of the "Far Realm" [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Messer
06-14-07, 07:21 PM It's not Uber important, but, well, I am interested in how you guys place the "Far Realm" in Forgotten Realms. The thing is, I have this great idea for a game, and I want to set it in Faerun, but, well....

I'd also like to have the Far Realms in the Forgotten Realms... (mischievous snicker)

Anyway, Whatever can you do for me? How do you swing the 'elder evils?' if you swing them at all. Any Ideas would be /greatly/ appreciated!
Faraer
06-14-07, 07:52 PM The point of the Far Realm is that it's Outside all cosmological maps.
Old Sage
06-14-07, 08:24 PM Indeed. The Far Realm itself does not exist within the cosmological framework of the Great Tree -- merely some element of the Far Realm has been referenced as impacting on 3e FR and its planar structure. This implies that it exists -- has been referenced -- in 3e FR.

The Far Realm works best as the "unknowable alien territory" -- existing outside the traditional cosmological structure.
Old Sage
06-14-07, 08:25 PM Thus, the Far Realm does exist with the 3e FR cosmology, and can be considered an element outside the Realms planar framework. Specifically, it's noted in the Dragonking details in CoS:W... pg. 63 -- under the "Wands" noble family entry.

The original reference was in the 3rd of the "Marco Volo" modules in which the Dragonking makes a brief appearance in the Realms. (I wouldn't really recommend this adventure trilogy however, but they are considered part of canon Realmslore). Eric tells us he that tried to work with them when expanding on the Dragonking entry in CoS. You can find the modules here for free:- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads

From there, the Dragonking was mentioned in Volo's Guide to All Things Magical -- under the entry for the "Dragonking's Eye". Eric, thus, continued with the reference into CoS:W and makes a more solid connection to the Far Realm...
Messer
06-14-07, 09:33 PM Awesome... actually, I understand that the far realm is 'far' I just wanted to know if there was an ordained structure with which Forgotten Realms accesses it, and if there was any precedence for which I should search, and/or to which I should adhere.

Thanks!
Gray Richardson
06-14-07, 09:38 PM As Faraer and Old Sage have mentioned, the Far Realms is not only outside the Great Tree cosmology, it is also outside the Great Wheel cosmology. It was never actually a plane within the Great Wheel, but rather that which lays outside the known planes of existence.

There are links and portals between the Far Realms and Faerūn. I think there is at least one Kaorti cyst, maybe more, in the Realms if I recall, though I cannot remember the source for this reference. Maybe in the Underdark sourcebook.
Shemeska the Marauder
06-15-07, 09:09 AM The Far Realms don't exist within either the Great Wheel or the Great Tree (or outside of it either in a three dimensional framework). It's a seperate multiverse, its own little bubble of self-contained reality with its own laws, its own concepts, and its own structure that might be meaningless when compared to that of the Great Wheel.

It's a seperate reality that occasionally might be touched upon by other bordering bubbles of cohesive reality, randomly, or perhaps intentionally in some cases. And it's very likely that exposure to the cosmology of the Great Wheel (or Tree if that's your thing) is just as incomprehensible and destructive to the Far Realms as exposure to it is to us.

I'd treat it the same way I'd treat the alien reality that spawned the Keepers.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Messer 06-14-07, 07:21 PM	It's not Uber important, but, well, I am interested in how you guys place the "Far Realm" in Forgotten Realms. The thing is, I have this great idea for a game, and I want to set it in Faerun, but, well.... I'd also like to have the Far Realms in the Forgotten Realms... (mischievous snicker) Anyway, Whatever can you do for me? How do you swing the 'elder evils?' if you swing them at all. Any Ideas would be /greatly/ appreciated!
Faraer 06-14-07, 07:52 PM	The point of the Far Realm is that it's Outside all cosmological maps.
Old Sage 06-14-07, 08:24 PM	Indeed. The Far Realm itself does not exist within the cosmological framework of the Great Tree -- merely some element of the Far Realm has been referenced as impacting on 3e FR and its planar structure. This implies that it exists -- has been referenced -- in 3e FR. The Far Realm works best as the "unknowable alien territory" -- existing outside the traditional cosmological structure.
Old Sage 06-14-07, 08:25 PM	Thus, the Far Realm does exist with the 3e FR cosmology, and can be considered an element outside the Realms planar framework. Specifically, it's noted in the Dragonking details in CoS:W... pg. 63 -- under the "Wands" noble family entry. The original reference was in the 3rd of the "Marco Volo" modules in which the Dragonking makes a brief appearance in the Realms. (I wouldn't really recommend this adventure trilogy however, but they are considered part of canon Realmslore). Eric tells us he that tried to work with them when expanding on the Dragonking entry in CoS. You can find the modules here for free:- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads From there, the Dragonking was mentioned in Volo's Guide to All Things Magical -- under the entry for the "Dragonking's Eye". Eric, thus, continued with the reference into CoS:W and makes a more solid connection to the Far Realm...
Messer 06-14-07, 09:33 PM	Awesome... actually, I understand that the far realm is 'far' I just wanted to know if there was an ordained structure with which Forgotten Realms accesses it, and if there was any precedence for which I should search, and/or to which I should adhere. Thanks!
Gray Richardson 06-14-07, 09:38 PM	As Faraer and Old Sage have mentioned, the Far Realms is not only outside the Great Tree cosmology, it is also outside the Great Wheel cosmology. It was never actually a plane within the Great Wheel, but rather that which lays outside the known planes of existence. There are links and portals between the Far Realms and Faerūn. I think there is at least one Kaorti cyst, maybe more, in the Realms if I recall, though I cannot remember the source for this reference. Maybe in the Underdark sourcebook.
Shemeska the Marauder 06-15-07, 09:09 AM	The Far Realms don't exist within either the Great Wheel or the Great Tree (or outside of it either in a three dimensional framework). It's a seperate multiverse, its own little bubble of self-contained reality with its own laws, its own concepts, and its own structure that might be meaningless when compared to that of the Great Wheel. It's a seperate reality that occasionally might be touched upon by other bordering bubbles of cohesive reality, randomly, or perhaps intentionally in some cases. And it's very likely that exposure to the cosmology of the Great Wheel (or Tree if that's your thing) is just as incomprehensible and destructive to the Far Realms as exposure to it is to us. I'd treat it the same way I'd treat the alien reality that spawned the Keepers.