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Barthalas 11-17-07, 11:21 PM	So I know that Lord Karsus and Sean K. Reynolds have done great work on this type of Planetouched (see Surin’Tel’Quessir in the Elven Notebook and SKR's sight for more info on their work) but both seem to use Eladrin as the original Celestial, something I'd rather not do. I'd prefer Angels or Archons (namely Trumpet Archons) as the Celestial Bloodline and am looking to set them up as a Celestial counterpart to the Demonic Fey'ri but have no idea what to call them. The stats 'm thinking of would be the following: • +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, -2 Constitution. • Medium-size. • Land speed is 30 feet. When in their winged form (they have angelic wings), they may fly at a speed of 40. • Darkvision up to 60 feet. • Low-light Vision • +2 racial bonus on Will saves against enchantment spells and effects • Alter Self (Sp): They can use Alter Self at will to assume any humanoid form and remain in that form indefinitely. • +2 racial bonus on Gather Information, Intimidate, Listen, Search and Spot checks. • Elven Blood: For all special abilities and effects they are considered an elf. • Angelic Abilities: They choose 4 spell-like abilities from the following list: Bless (Sp) 1/day, Daylight (Sp) 1/day, Detect Evil (Sp) 1/day, Detect Thoughts (Sp) 1/day, Smite Evil (Sp) 1/day, Electrical Resistance 10, +2 racial bonus on Fire, +2 racial bonus on saves against Disease, Damage Reduction 10/+1*, Stoneskin*, Lesser Globe of Invulnerability* • Automatic Languages: Common, Elven & Celestial • Level Adjustment: +2. +3 if they choose one of the angelic abilities with an * So my main reason for posting here is to get suggestions for a name and suggestions for different abilities then above (if you feel it's needed.)
johnkretzer 11-18-07, 12:59 AM	So I know that Lord Karsus and Sean K. Reynolds have done great work on this type of Planetouched (see Surin’Tel’Quessir in the Elven Notebook and SKR's sight for more info on their work) but both seem to use Eladrin as the original Celestial, something I'd rather not do. I'd prefer Angels or Archons (namely Trumpet Archons) as the Celestial Bloodline and also view them as a Celestial counter-part to the Demonic Fey'ri but have no idea what to call them. The stats 'm thinking of would be the following: • +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, -2 Constitution. • Medium-size. • Land speed is 30 feet. When in their winged form (they have angelic wings), they may fly at a speed of 40. • Darkvision up to 60 feet. • Low-light Vision • +2 racial bonus on Will saves against enchantment spells and effects • Alter Self (Sp): They can use Alter Self at will to assume any humanoid form and remain in that form indefinitely. • +2 racial bonus on Gather Information, Intimidate, Listen, Search and Spot checks. • Elven Blood: For all special abilities and effects, an anakim is considered an elf. • Angelic Abilities: They choose 4 spell-like abilities from the following list: Bless (Sp) 1/day, Daylight (Sp) 1/day, Detect Evil (Sp) 1/day, Detect Thoughts (Sp) 1/day, Smite Evil (Sp) 1/day, Electrical Resistance 10, +2 racial bonus on Fire, +2 racial bonus on saves against Disease, Damage Reduction 10/+1*, Stoneskin*, Lesser Globe of Invulnerability* • Automatic Languages: Common, Elven & Celestial • Level Adjustment: +2. +3 if they choose one of the angelic abilities with an * So my main reason for posting here is to get suggestions for a name and suggestions for different abilities then above. What is there flight maneuverability? As to more abilities I think you got everything covered.
Butterface 11-18-07, 11:53 AM	Well, before 4E information came out, I would've said Elf + Angel = Eladrin. . . .
Barthalas 11-18-07, 01:20 PM	Well, before 4E information came out, I would've said Elf + Angel = Eladrin. . . . Yep, me too. The 4e info had lead me down this path. Based on their MM entry, I'm leaning toward Trumpet Archon and either a Moon Elf or Green Elf (before the slipped into their current quasi-feral state) union.
Barthalas 11-18-07, 01:22 PM	What is there flight maneuverability? As to more abilities I think you got everything covered. I hadn't given it much thought, I'm basically DMing a 4e preview game and it looks like 4e is doing away with maneuverability.
johnkretzer 11-18-07, 02:35 PM	I hadn't given it much thought, I'm basically DMing a 4e preview game and it looks like 4e is doing away with maneuverability. Um...as not being the privilaged few to do so...then I got no idea...well another mark against 4th.... Should you be disclosing this info.?
Green Elven Vampire 11-18-07, 03:05 PM	That's because 4ED is a joke! By far the worst edition to date! Die 4ED DIE!!
Barthalas 11-18-07, 04:47 PM	Um...as not being the privilaged few to do so...then I got no idea...well another mark against 4th.... Should you be disclosing this info.? I should clarify. I'm using my own rules, nothing official. I'm just pasting together the tidbits we currently know and adding that to SWSE.
Suin Bahhar 11-19-07, 09:03 AM	That's because 4ED is a joke! By far the worst edition to date! Die 4ED DIE!! I agree the designers should hold on to maneuverability (and so Barthalass should too). Everyone flying perfectly. LAME.
Barthalas 11-19-07, 09:26 AM	I agree the designers should hold on to maneuverability (and so Barthalass should too). Everyone flying perfectly. LAME. It's not that they all fly perfectly per say I'd guess, just that it's not a detail that needs to have a game mechanic in their eyes.
Suin Bahhar 11-19-07, 09:48 AM	Dumb. I think your celestial elves could be called Fi-Tell-Quassir or Light Elves.
Barthalas 11-19-07, 11:12 AM	Dumb. What are you referring to here?
Suin Bahhar 11-19-07, 11:32 AM	The potential removal of flight maneuverability. Why does a dragon fly the same as a willow the wisp? Why the dumbing down. Its just unrealistic.
Barthalas 11-19-07, 11:44 AM	The potential removal of flight maneuverability. Why does a dragon fly the same as a willow the wisp? Why the dumbing down. Its just unrealistic. Got it. I think/hope that the deal is not that they feel all fly the same, just that they didn't feel the need to put crunch behind it. They may feel it's okay to mention what type of flyers they are and leave it up to the DM. I'm guessing here, no inside info or anything like that.
Zanan 11-19-07, 01:07 PM	Sidenote: Demon & Elf = Half-fiend ... and only a long way down the line (much as it takes the Human & Demon line to become a tiefling) comes the fey'ri. For the latter are essentially elven tieflings. (Even though they tend to have a bit more "bite" than your average tiefling.) So essentially, an angel mating with an elf would yield a half-celestial and that could be watered down somewhat.
Barthalas 11-19-07, 03:19 PM	Sidenote: Demon & Elf = Half-fiend ... and only a long way down the line (much as it takes the Human & Demon line to become a tiefling) comes the fey'ri. For the latter are essentially elven tieflings. (Even though they tend to have a bit more "bite" than your average tiefling.) So essentially, an angel mating with an elf would yield a half-celestial and that could be watered down somewhat. Yes, I know that. I guess I didn't make the original post clear. I'm looking for the Fey'ri equivalent from the past union of an elf and Archon/Angel. I'll edit the original post
Aerostoth 11-20-07, 02:23 PM	So I know that Lord Karsus and Sean K. Reynolds have done great work on this type of Planetouched (see Surin’Tel’Quessir in the Elven Notebook and SKR's sight for more info on their work) but both seem to use Eladrin as the original Celestial, something I'd rather not do. I'd prefer Angels or Archons (namely Trumpet Archons) as the Celestial Bloodline and am looking to set them up as a Celestial counterpart to the Demonic Fey'ri but have no idea what to call them. The stats 'm thinking of would be the following: • +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, -2 Constitution. • Medium-size. • Land speed is 30 feet. When in their winged form (they have angelic wings), they may fly at a speed of 40. • Darkvision up to 60 feet. • Low-light Vision • +2 racial bonus on Will saves against enchantment spells and effects • Alter Self (Sp): They can use Alter Self at will to assume any humanoid form and remain in that form indefinitely. • +2 racial bonus on Gather Information, Intimidate, Listen, Search and Spot checks. • Elven Blood: For all special abilities and effects they are considered an elf. • Angelic Abilities: They choose 4 spell-like abilities from the following list: Bless (Sp) 1/day, Daylight (Sp) 1/day, Detect Evil (Sp) 1/day, Detect Thoughts (Sp) 1/day, Smite Evil (Sp) 1/day, Electrical Resistance 10, +2 racial bonus on Fire, +2 racial bonus on saves against Disease, Damage Reduction 10/+1*, Stoneskin*, Lesser Globe of Invulnerability* • Automatic Languages: Common, Elven & Celestial • Level Adjustment: +2. +3 if they choose one of the angelic abilities with an * So my main reason for posting here is to get suggestions for a name and suggestions for different abilities then above (if you feel it's needed.) I say keep all the abilities, but call it fey'el or fey'on (i know, not very creative, but a similar name to the fey'ri would say alot about the race).