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varyar 06-20-06, 08:12 PM	Is there any canon translation of the names of the Outer Planes? If not, can someone take a look at my own attempt (based on the dictionary at Candlekeep.com and with a few combinations of my own)? It's for an eventually forthcoming Outer Plane game with an elvish party. Please and thanks in advance! Elvish Name Translation (Common Name) Suor Ardun Mountain of the Holy (Mount Celestia) Oraeska Fortress Woods (Bytopia) Daoine Duna Hills of the Stars (Elysium) Arsyrūn Great Wilderness (The Beastlands) Arvandor Great Forest (Arborea) Gisiae Duna Hills of the Guardians (Ysgard) Ararrnarūn Land of Great Storms (Limbo) Sharde'Mor'Duna Dark Winds Blow (Pandemonium) Tanar'ri'iilor Place of Outcasts (Abyss) Dhaerow'iilor Place of Traitors (Carceri) Biir Shil Waste of Shadows (Gray Waste) Avaeathilvandor Forest of Sorrow (Gehenna) N'suor'iilor Unhallowed Place (Baator) Dragfaera'iilor Place of Hateful Battles (Acheron) Myth Akh City of Duty (Mechanus) Ondathrūn Kingdom of Peace (Arcadia) Rirūn Outlands (Outlands) (Yes, I am using the Great Wheel for this. Sue me. :D)
GothicDan 06-21-06, 12:36 AM	The only thing is.. The most learned of Elven scholars would probably know that Arvandor is not the same thing as Arborea; Arvandor is a single DOMAIN of Arborea.
Myssa Rei 06-21-06, 01:25 AM	And only a domain on a single layer of Arborea at that, right Dan? That nitpick aside, great work. Might I suggest sharing this with the rest of us there at Candlekeep? I know a few scribes that would be very pleased with this.
GothicDan 06-21-06, 01:43 AM	Yep; Arborea doesn't span several layers. And I agree - share it on Candlekeep! It'd probably be even more appreciated there. :)
varyar 06-21-06, 09:20 AM	The only thing is.. The most learned of Elven scholars would probably know that Arvandor is not the same thing as Arborea; Arvandor is a single DOMAIN of Arborea. That's true. OTOH, the words Arborea and Arvandor are basically the same. Hm... And I'd forgotten Candlekeep had forums. :eek: Off I go to repost it there. Thanks!
stclax_26 06-21-06, 10:02 PM	What prompted the Gehennan name? It seems out of place as far as keeping the names similar to the theme of each plane.
varyar 06-21-06, 10:13 PM	What prompted the Gehennan name? It seems out of place as far as keeping the names similar to the theme of each plane. Two things. A lack of suitable terms in the source dictionary and a failure of imagination on my part. Place of Sorrow might be more appropriate, but I don't want to overuse the -iilor suffix. Hm. Some more planes for your entertainment and edification: Artil Place of Great Air (Elemental Air) Arael Place of Great Earth (Elemental Earth) Arevael Place of Great Flame (Elemental Fire) Arlalala Place of Great Water (Elemental Water) (Air is my own invention, and Earth and Fire are sketchy adaptions of roots in the Candlekeep dictionary.)
Cli' San Aquanova 06-22-06, 12:00 PM	Two things. A lack of suitable terms in the source dictionary and a failure of imagination on my part. Place of Sorrow might be more appropriate, but I don't want to overuse the -iilor suffix. Hm. Some more planes for your entertainment and edification: Artil Place of Great Air (Elemental Air) Arael Place of Great Earth (Elemental Earth) Arevael Place of Great Flame (Elemental Fire) Arlalala Place of Great Water (Elemental Water) (Air is my own invention, and Earth and Fire are sketchy adaptions of roots in the Candlekeep dictionary.) So I take it that the the Plane of Water is the only canon one? -C'SA :u:Bring Back Merfolk!!!:u:
varyar 06-22-06, 01:53 PM	So I take it that the the Plane of Water is the only canon one? The word water is from the Candlekeep dictionary, which (if I'm not mistaken) draws only from published FR material. Air, fire and earth are either my own inventions or guesstimating from words in the dictionary.
stclax_26 06-22-06, 06:04 PM	I have some alternatives that I spent about 10 minutes on, so pardon the shotty quality but they may fit better, flavor wise. Perhaps something along the lines of: "Mounts of Woe/Sorrow" Avaeathil Arduna (no idea what the plural would be so I threw in a safe Latin 2nd decl. neuter plural) (Khov')Anilessa Arduna "The Nefarious Mounts/ Mounts of the Trio Nefarious" or Dur/Morv'Arduna "Mounts of Twilight/Darkness". Just some thoughts, and you are welcome to completely disregard them. Andrew
varyar 06-22-06, 08:09 PM	"Mounts of Woe/Sorrow" Avaeathil Arduna (no idea what the plural would be so I threw in a safe Latin 2nd decl. neuter plural) (Khov')Anilessa Arduna "The Nefarious Mounts/ Mounts of the Trio Nefarious" or Dur/Morv'Arduna "Mounts of Twilight/Darkness". Just some thoughts, and you are welcome to completely disregard them. Oh, very nice. I like Anilessa Arduna.
varyar 07-07-06, 04:05 PM	And here's the updated version (includes some material from the Semberholme dictionary and a few words of my own devising), with more of the inner and transitive planes. Alignment Common Name Elvish Name Translation LG Mount Celestia Suor Ardun Mountain of the Holy LG/NG Bytopia Oraeska Fortress Woods NG Elysium Daoine Duna Hills of the Stars NG/CG The Beastlands Veluthesyrūn Beautiful Wilderness CG Arborea Arvandor Great Forest CG/CN Ysgard Gisiae Duna Hills of the Guardians CN Limbo Ararrnarūn Land of Great Storms CN/CE Pandemonium Sharde'Mor'Duna Dark Windswept Hills CE Abyss Tanar'ri'iilor Place of Outcasts CE/NE Carceri Dhaerow'iilor Place of Traitors NE Gray Waste Biir Shil Waste of Shadows NE/LE Gehenna Anilessa Arduna The Nefarious Mounts LE Baator N'suor'iilor Unhallowed Place LE/LN Acheron Dragfaera'iilor Place of Hateful Battles LN Mechanus Mytha Akh Cities of Duty LN/LG Arcadia Ondathrūn Kingdom of Peace N The Outlands Rirūna Outlands - Sigil Myth Aeloua City of Meetings NG River Oceanus Suoralus Holy Water NE River Styx N'suoralus Unholy Water - Infinite Staircase Hondghaatiil The True Traveling Path - Astral Plane Rina'iilor Place of Memory - Ethereal Plane Mithshae Grey Ocean - Shadow Plane Tumbassra'iilor Place of Deep Shadows - Far Realm Kimrūn Realm of Madness - Elemental Air [i]Drii'iilor Place of Air - Elemental Earth Erek'iilor Place of Earth - Elemental Fire Rillis'iilor Place of Flame - Elemental Water Alus'iilor Place of Water - Positive Energy Hondcoia'iilor Place of Pure Life - Negative Energy Hondmora'iilor Place of Pure Death - Para-elemental Ice Khelek'iilor Place of Ice - Para-elemental Smoke She'iilor Place of Smoke - Para-elemental Magma Rivo'iilor Place of Magma - Para-elemental Ooze Uita'iilor Place of Ooze - Quasi-elemental Steam Vilus'iilor Place of Steam - Quasi-elemental Lightning Sakkamen'iilor Place of Lightning - Quasi-elemental Mineral Dilun'iilor Place of Mineral - Quasi-elemental Radiance Ivae'iilor Place of Brightness - Quasi-elemental Vacuum Lost'iilor Place of Emptiness - Quasi-elemental Dust Asto'iilor Place of Dust - Quasi-elemental Salt Geet'iilor Place of Salt - Quasi-elemental Ash Lith'iilor Place of Ash
GothicDan 07-07-06, 08:24 PM	Very cool. :)
Lord Karsus 07-07-06, 10:00 PM	-Pssht, and I don't get any credit... :rolleyes: -Well, it is good to see that people are using my stuff!
GothicDan 07-07-06, 10:37 PM	No credit for you!
Lord Karsus 07-07-06, 10:42 PM	-Well, at least I get my soup.
varyar 07-07-06, 11:00 PM	-Pssht, and I don't get any credit... :rolleyes: -Well, it is good to see that people are using my stuff! 'cept I didn't use your site... Unless it was the source for the dictionaries on Candlekeep and myth-drannor.net? If it was, then my apologies. :embarrass The main file this is part of does give credit where due, and I'd be happy to add your name. Either way, I can give you more soup if you like, though.
Lord Karsus 07-07-06, 11:05 PM	'cept I didn't use your site... Unless it was the source for the dictionaries on Candlekeep and myth-drannor.net? If it was, then my apologies. :embarrass The main file this is part of does give credit where due, and I'd be happy to add your name. Either way, I can give you more soup if you like, though. -The one on Candlekeep is mine. But, Myth-Drannor.net? Hmm...I need to check that out. I know I never gave anyone else asides for Alaundo permission to reproduce it in it's entirety...And, I'd like to Matzoh Ball Soup, if you have any.
varyar 07-07-06, 11:07 PM	-The one on Candlekeep is mine. Ahhh. /me edits the acknowledgements. But, Myth-Drannor.net? Hmm...I need to check that out. I know I never gave anyone else asides for Alaundo permission to reproduce it in it's entirety...And, I'd like to Matzoh Ball Soup, if you have any. Sure! Anyhoo. The one on myth-drannor.net is slightly different and has some Tolkien influences that I've tried to avoid. It can be found here: http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-semberholm/Language/Dictionary.htm
Lord Karsus 07-07-06, 11:15 PM	Ahhh. /me edits the acknowledgements. Sure! Anyhoo. The one on myth-drannor.net is slightly different and has some Tolkien influences that I've tried to avoid. It can be found here: http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-semberholm/Language/Dictionary.htm -Yeah, they haven't stolen my work. I've got lots of canon stuff that they haven't mentioned. Man, I really need to update soon. I've got about two months of additions to tack on. -I'd avoid their "Grelvish" dictionary, since too much of it is based on Tolkien's Sindarin and Quenya, or "Elven-like" words that were simply made up by the contributers to that web-site. -Mmm, that soup sure is good...
varyar 07-07-06, 11:53 PM	-Yeah, they haven't stolen my work. I've got lots of canon stuff that they haven't mentioned. Man, I really need to update soon. I've got about two months of additions to tack on. Cool, can't wait to see it. -I'd avoid their "Grelvish" dictionary, since too much of it is based on Tolkien's Sindarin and Quenya, or "Elven-like" words that were simply made up by the contributers to that web-site. In the case of the Outer (and Inner) Planes, making stuff up is unavoidable. I doubt we'll see the Elvish word for ooze any time soon, f'instance.
Lord Karsus 07-07-06, 11:58 PM	Cool, can't wait to see it. -Yeah, I did a little bit tonight. It gets monotonous, very quicky. Stupid HTML... In the case of the Outer (and Inner) Planes, making stuff up is unavoidable. I doubt we'll see the Elvish word for ooze any time soon, f'instance. -Hey, you never know. Getting strange words are the reason why I scour Ed's Candlekeep replies. Every now and then, he gives us a few uncommon Elven words and/or phrases.
varyar 07-09-06, 04:14 AM	-Yeah, I did a little bit tonight. It gets monotonous, very quicky. Stupid HTML... /me views source. Oy. Yeah. -Hey, you never know. Getting strange words are the reason why I scour Ed's Candlekeep replies. Every now and then, he gives us a few uncommon Elven words and/or phrases. True 'nuff.
Lord Karsus 07-09-06, 10:09 PM	True 'nuff. -Hey, you yourself can pose the question about the names to Ed himself, on Candlekeep. How's that for service, when he answers, eh?
varyar 07-10-06, 02:15 PM	-Hey, you yourself can pose the question about the names to Ed himself, on Candlekeep. How's that for service, when he answers, eh? True, true. His insight into the elven view of the Planes would be pretty cool.
GothicDan 07-10-06, 04:18 PM	Or mine! Er... Yes, ask Ed. ;)
varyar 07-10-06, 07:26 PM	Or mine! Er... Yes, ask Ed. ;) :D I done asked him.