Evolution of Guenwhyvar in 3.5 (Long) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Evolution of Guenwhyvar in 3.5 (Long) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Monch9
07-24-03, 05:02 AM I've come up with a 3.5 version of Guen. Would like to know your thoughts on the skills, feats, etc.

DIRE PANTHER
Large Animal
Hit Dice: 6d8+24 (51 hp)
Initiative: +3
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 20 ft.
Armor Class: 15 (–1 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 12, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+15
Attack: Claw +11 (1d6+7)
Full Attack: 2 claws +11 melee (1d6+7) and bite +5 melee (1d8+3)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d6+3
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +8, Will +6
Abilities: Str 24, Dex 17, Con 19, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills: Balance +12, Climb +15, Hide +8*, Jump +15, Listen +6, Move Silently +8, Spot +6
Feats: Alertness, Run, Weapon Focus (claw)
Environment: Any forest, hill, mountains, and plains
Organization: Solitary or pair
Challenge Rating: 4
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 7–18 HD (Large)
Level Adjustment: —

Dire Panthers are about 9 feet long and weigh about 800 pounds. They usually hunt at night.
Combat
Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a dire panther must hit with its bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can rake.
Pounce (Ex): If a dire panther charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks.
Rake (Ex): Attack bonus +10 melee, damage 1d6+3.
Skills: Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks and a +4 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Balance and Climb checks. A dire panther can always choose to take 10 on a Climb check, even if rushed or threatened.

Whiskers (Elite Dire Panther)
Large Animal
Hit Dice: 6d8+30 (57 hp)
Initiative: +5
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 20 ft.
Armor Class: 17, touch 14, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+16
Attack: Claw +12 (1d6+8)
Full Attack: 2 claws +12 melee (1d6+8) and bite +7 melee (1d8+4)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d6+4
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent
Saves: Fort +10, Ref +10, Will +8
Abilities: Str 26 (+8), Dex 21(+5), Con 21(+5), Int 2, Wis 16(+3), Cha 8 (-1)
Skills: Balance +14, Climb +16, Hide +10*, Jump +16, Listen +8, Move Silently +10, Spot +8
Feats: Alertness, Run, Weapon Focus (claw)
Environment: Any forest, hill, mountains, and plains
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 5
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 7–18 HD (Large)
Level Adjustment: —

Guenwhyvar (Elite Celestial Dire Panther)
Large Extraplanar Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 9d8+45 (85 hp)
Initiative: +9
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 20 ft.
Armor Class: 17 (–1 size, +5 Dex, +3 natural), touch 14, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +6/+18
Attack: Claw +14 (1d6+8)
Full Attack: 2 claws +14 melee (1d6+8) and bite +12 melee (1d8+4)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d6+4, , Smite Evil
Special Qualities: plane shift, darkvision 60 ft, damage reduction 5/magic, low-light vision, scent, spell resistance 14, resistance to acid 10, cold 10 and electricity 10
Saves: Fort +10, Ref +10, Will +8
Abilities: Str 26 (+8), Dex 21(+5), Con 21(+5), Int 3, Wis 16(+3), Cha 8 (-1)
Skills: Balance +16, Climb +16, Hide +10*, Jump +17, Listen +9, Move Silently +10, Spot +9
Feats: Alertness, Run, Weapon Focus (claw), Multiattack, Improved InitiativeB
Environment: Any forest, hill, mountains, and plains
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 8
Treasure: None
Alignment: Neutral good
Advancement: 7–18 HD (Large)
Level Adjustment: —

Skills
Racial Feat Ability
Bonus Bonus Mod Ranks
Jump +8 str +8 +1 +17
Climb +8 str +8 +16
Balance +8 dex +5 +1 +14
Hide +4 dex +5 +1 +10
Move Silently +4 dex +5 +1 +10
Listen +2 wis +3 +4 +9
Spot +2 wis +3 +4 +9

Guenwhyvar is about 9 feet long and weigh about 800 pounds.
Combat
Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a dire panther must hit with its bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can rake.
Pounce (Ex): If a dire panther charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks.
Rake (Ex): Attack bonus +14 melee, damage 1d6+3.
Skills: Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks and a +4 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Balance and Climb checks. A dire panther can always choose to take 10 on a Climb check, even if rushed or threatened.
Plane Shift (Sp): 3/day-plane shift. This ability is as the spell cast by a 9th-level cleric.
Special Attacks:
Smite Evil (Su): Once per day a celestial creature can make a normal melee attack to deal extra damage equal to its HD (maximum of +20) against an evil foe.
Dargoth
07-24-03, 05:08 AM Going off RAS description in the novels Id say Guens a Dire Panther
Bazcasta
07-24-03, 10:14 AM Why don't you take the stats from the FRCS and update them to 3.5 if needed to?:D She is on P.178 left coulmn, first paragraph.
VengefulGazeofGod
07-24-03, 10:35 AM I prefer to keep major NPC's, like her, without stat's; I seems to give them an untouchable aura, and I like that type of thing.
:cool:
Another Gnome
07-24-03, 11:12 AM Well, I wouldn't call Guen a major NPC. Aside from her personality, she is just a magic item like a dozen others of her kind.

As such, I'd rather use the other figurines of wondrous power as a starting point instead of taking the usual approach when statting NPCs. She does deserve to be large size and have a heightened intelligence, but not much else is really needed. Also, with regard to the starting post, celestial template is a bit questionable considering Guen's history. Wasn't she crafted by a fiend or something?
Monch9
07-24-03, 07:28 PM Bazkata,

The stats in the FRCS is of a medium size leopard. Going from the books, she's more than that. She did go against a Balor and did some damage.

Another Gnome,

Guen would be in the class of the Obsidian steed class figurine of wondrous powers. But there is a difference. Based on the stories, she doesn't become the figurine, the figurine becomes a means for her to plane shift. The Celestial template was derived because it was mentioned that her home plane was in a happy hunting ground (good).

Her history can be read in the Realms of Magic Anthology. Short summary (*** SPOILERS ***)
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Whiskers, as she called then, was captured by a wizard friend (forgot the name) of Josidiah Starym with the purpose of creating a standard figurine. At the final step of the process, the wizard, because of Josidiah's pleading and the fact that the wizard was a ranger before, had a change of heart, and let her go. Only, Whiskers rushed to the aid of Josidiah. She got mortally wounded. Rushing to get back to the lab, they all stepped into a Portable Hole and finished the figurine creation process where Josidiah named her Guenwhyvar. It was noted that when the process ended, the results were not what they expected. Instead of actually becomming an animated version of the figurine, when called, Guen plane shifted from the (Happy hunting) astral?? plane.

Things to note, the Portable Hole item has a prerequisite spell of Plane Shift in the SRD. Figurines, have animate object spell as pre-requisite.

Statwise, the Dire Panther I made is practically the leopard entry in large size while replacing the weapon finesse feat with something else. Then I gave Whiskers, the elite set of ability. After 1000 years, I gave her 3 more levels.

Monch
Another Gnome
07-24-03, 07:40 PM Ah. Apparently my memory was way off with her story (not that I've actually read it anyway, it's just something I picked up from the boards, or at least thought I did). Though now I have to wonder what story was I thinking then. Oh well. :-/
Dargoth
07-24-03, 09:29 PM How about making a Greater Figurine of Wonderdous power for Guen?

I still say shes more likely Dire Panther and Not a celestial Panther
Monch9
07-24-03, 09:38 PM Dargoth,

I actually made her a Celestial Dire Panther. Just to put in the DR, SR, Holy smite, and resistances which isn't to far from the RAS books. Also, I bumped her CR accordingly (based on the SRD). The price of the Figurine might be a bit more expensive the 28500gp for the obsidian steed. I'll try to come up with it a price later on.

Monch
VengefulGazeofGod
07-25-03, 02:45 AM I stick to my original statement. She is a major NPC to most people.
:cool:

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Monch9 07-24-03, 05:02 AM	I've come up with a 3.5 version of Guen. Would like to know your thoughts on the skills, feats, etc. DIRE PANTHER Large Animal Hit Dice: 6d8+24 (51 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 20 ft. Armor Class: 15 (–1 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 12, flat-footed 12 Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+15 Attack: Claw +11 (1d6+7) Full Attack: 2 claws +11 melee (1d6+7) and bite +5 melee (1d8+3) Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d6+3 Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent Saves: Fort +9, Ref +8, Will +6 Abilities: Str 24, Dex 17, Con 19, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10 Skills: Balance +12, Climb +15, Hide +8, Jump +15, Listen +6, Move Silently +8, Spot +6 Feats: Alertness, Run, Weapon Focus (claw) Environment: Any forest, hill, mountains, and plains Organization: Solitary or pair Challenge Rating: 4 Treasure: None Alignment: Always neutral Advancement: 7–18 HD (Large) Level Adjustment: — Dire Panthers are about 9 feet long and weigh about 800 pounds. They usually hunt at night. Combat Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a dire panther must hit with its bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can rake. Pounce (Ex): If a dire panther charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks. Rake (Ex): Attack bonus +10 melee, damage 1d6+3. Skills: Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks and a +4 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Balance and Climb checks. A dire panther can always choose to take 10 on a Climb check, even if rushed or threatened. Whiskers (Elite Dire Panther) Large Animal Hit Dice: 6d8+30 (57 hp) Initiative: +5 Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 20 ft. Armor Class: 17, touch 14, flat-footed 12 Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+16 Attack: Claw +12 (1d6+8) Full Attack: 2 claws +12 melee (1d6+8) and bite +7 melee (1d8+4) Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d6+4 Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent Saves: Fort +10, Ref +10, Will +8 Abilities: Str 26 (+8), Dex 21(+5), Con 21(+5), Int 2, Wis 16(+3), Cha 8 (-1) Skills: Balance +14, Climb +16, Hide +10, Jump +16, Listen +8, Move Silently +10, Spot +8 Feats: Alertness, Run, Weapon Focus (claw) Environment: Any forest, hill, mountains, and plains Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 5 Treasure: None Alignment: Always neutral Advancement: 7–18 HD (Large) Level Adjustment: — Guenwhyvar (Elite Celestial Dire Panther) Large Extraplanar Magical Beast Hit Dice: 9d8+45 (85 hp) Initiative: +9 Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 20 ft. Armor Class: 17 (–1 size, +5 Dex, +3 natural), touch 14, flat-footed 12 Base Attack/Grapple: +6/+18 Attack: Claw +14 (1d6+8) Full Attack: 2 claws +14 melee (1d6+8) and bite +12 melee (1d8+4) Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d6+4, , Smite Evil Special Qualities: plane shift, darkvision 60 ft, damage reduction 5/magic, low-light vision, scent, spell resistance 14, resistance to acid 10, cold 10 and electricity 10 Saves: Fort +10, Ref +10, Will +8 Abilities: Str 26 (+8), Dex 21(+5), Con 21(+5), Int 3, Wis 16(+3), Cha 8 (-1) Skills: Balance +16, Climb +16, Hide +10*, Jump +17, Listen +9, Move Silently +10, Spot +9 Feats: Alertness, Run, Weapon Focus (claw), Multiattack, Improved InitiativeB Environment: Any forest, hill, mountains, and plains Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 8 Treasure: None Alignment: Neutral good Advancement: 7–18 HD (Large) Level Adjustment: — Skills Racial Feat Ability Bonus Bonus Mod Ranks Jump +8 str +8 +1 +17 Climb +8 str +8 +16 Balance +8 dex +5 +1 +14 Hide +4 dex +5 +1 +10 Move Silently +4 dex +5 +1 +10 Listen +2 wis +3 +4 +9 Spot +2 wis +3 +4 +9 Guenwhyvar is about 9 feet long and weigh about 800 pounds. Combat Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a dire panther must hit with its bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can rake. Pounce (Ex): If a dire panther charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks. Rake (Ex): Attack bonus +14 melee, damage 1d6+3. Skills: Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks and a +4 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. Dire panthers have a +8 racial bonus on Balance and Climb checks. A dire panther can always choose to take 10 on a Climb check, even if rushed or threatened. Plane Shift (Sp): 3/day-plane shift. This ability is as the spell cast by a 9th-level cleric. Special Attacks: Smite Evil (Su): Once per day a celestial creature can make a normal melee attack to deal extra damage equal to its HD (maximum of +20) against an evil foe.
Dargoth 07-24-03, 05:08 AM	Going off RAS description in the novels Id say Guens a Dire Panther
Bazcasta 07-24-03, 10:14 AM	Why don't you take the stats from the FRCS and update them to 3.5 if needed to?:D She is on P.178 left coulmn, first paragraph.
VengefulGazeofGod 07-24-03, 10:35 AM	I prefer to keep major NPC's, like her, without stat's; I seems to give them an untouchable aura, and I like that type of thing. :cool:
Another Gnome 07-24-03, 11:12 AM	Well, I wouldn't call Guen a major NPC. Aside from her personality, she is just a magic item like a dozen others of her kind. As such, I'd rather use the other figurines of wondrous power as a starting point instead of taking the usual approach when statting NPCs. She does deserve to be large size and have a heightened intelligence, but not much else is really needed. Also, with regard to the starting post, celestial template is a bit questionable considering Guen's history. Wasn't she crafted by a fiend or something?
Monch9 07-24-03, 07:28 PM	Bazkata, The stats in the FRCS is of a medium size leopard. Going from the books, she's more than that. She did go against a Balor and did some damage. Another Gnome, Guen would be in the class of the Obsidian steed class figurine of wondrous powers. But there is a difference. Based on the stories, she doesn't become the figurine, the figurine becomes a means for her to plane shift. The Celestial template was derived because it was mentioned that her home plane was in a happy hunting ground (good). Her history can be read in the Realms of Magic Anthology. Short summary (* SPOILERS ) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Whiskers, as she called then, was captured by a wizard friend (forgot the name) of Josidiah Starym with the purpose of creating a standard figurine. At the final step of the process, the wizard, because of Josidiah's pleading and the fact that the wizard was a ranger before, had a change of heart, and let her go. Only, Whiskers rushed to the aid of Josidiah. She got mortally wounded. Rushing to get back to the lab, they all stepped into a Portable Hole and finished the figurine creation process where Josidiah named her Guenwhyvar. It was noted that when the process ended, the results were not what they expected. Instead of actually becomming an animated version of the figurine, when called, Guen plane shifted from the (Happy hunting) astral?? plane. Things to note, the Portable Hole item has a prerequisite spell of Plane Shift in the SRD. Figurines, have animate object spell as pre-requisite. Statwise, the Dire Panther I made is practically the leopard entry in large size while replacing the weapon finesse feat with something else. Then I gave Whiskers, the elite set of ability. After 1000 years, I gave her 3 more levels. Monch
Another Gnome 07-24-03, 07:40 PM	Ah. Apparently my memory was way off with her story (not that I've actually read it anyway, it's just something I picked up from the boards, or at least thought I did). Though now I have to wonder what story was I thinking then. Oh well. :-/
Dargoth 07-24-03, 09:29 PM	How about making a Greater Figurine of Wonderdous power for Guen? I still say shes more likely Dire Panther and Not a celestial Panther
Monch9 07-24-03, 09:38 PM	Dargoth, I actually made her a Celestial Dire Panther. Just to put in the DR, SR, Holy smite, and resistances which isn't to far from the RAS books. Also, I bumped her CR accordingly (based on the SRD). The price of the Figurine might be a bit more expensive the 28500gp for the obsidian steed. I'll try to come up with it a price later on. Monch
VengefulGazeofGod 07-25-03, 02:45 AM	I stick to my original statement. She is a major NPC to most people. :cool: