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Brenigin 07-29-04, 05:39 AM	Well, as expected by many, Ancient Empires will be the first FR book of 2005. Forgotten Realms 2005 - 1st Quarter (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/list&brand=fr&year=2005&tablesort=1) . So what do we expect to see? Narfell? Netheril? Anauria? Delzoun? Tethyamar? Raumathar? Speculate away!
Brenigin 07-29-04, 05:46 AM	...or am I completely on the wrong track, and it will be primarily a regional sourcebook for Unther, Mulhorand, Chessenta and maybe Chondath? It would fit the next piece of the 'geographic jigsaw' after The Shining South and Serpent Kingdoms...
Dargoth 07-29-04, 05:52 AM	Months ago I asked Rich Baker about Maps of Netheril and he replied that there wa a "Lost empires" source book in the works that may have maps of Netheril, Id say Ancient Empires is the source book he was refering to
Krash 07-29-04, 09:39 AM	Originally posted by Brenigin So what do we expect to see? Narfell? Netheril? Anauria? Delzoun? Tethyamar? Raumathar? Well, they are all ancient empires so you'd think that they would all feature. A write-up on Tethyamar would be nice.:) -- George Krashos
GothicDan 07-29-04, 04:10 PM	I think it would be kind of hard to put too many of the above Empires (fallen or otherwise Old Empires) into a single resource, because it really wouldn't devote enough attention to each of these empires as they deserve.
The_Declaration 07-29-04, 04:36 PM	When i took a glance at the news, to me it was about Unther and Mulhorande, as i didn't see wiz' getting back to a Netheril trip. It was never mentioned, and the timeline is late. So i don't think it's the right timing to get to another period of History. But Dargoth's got a point... anyway, details will probably be disclosed soon.
freebooter 07-29-04, 05:11 PM	it could be a book on the empires of the "ancient empires" entry of the CS.
Dargoth 07-29-04, 06:26 PM	Rich Baker has just revealed a Little of what the books about, in the ask the Author thread "Hmmm, well, hadn't seen that before. Uh, in that case--yeah, we are doing a book called Ancient Empires. The authors are Travis Stout and Ed Bonny. I handled the mechanical development work on the book, while Eric Boyd and George Krashos handled a Herculean job of continuity-checking and tweaking. The main features of the book include: - A chapter on feats and prestige classes themed around ancient empires. - A chapter on monsters you often find in or around ancient ruins (which, coincidentally enough, is pretty much the PGtoF's cut monster chapter, with a few new additons). - A chapter each on half-a-dozen key eras/regions/groupings of fallen empires. - A number of ready-to-play adventure sites themed around the ruins. - A brief look at some of the more important "dead" gods, and (at last) a mechanical explanation for why some still have clerics running around. - A map of Faerun as it appeared in -676 DR, 2000 years ago."
maynardjkeenan 07-29-04, 06:42 PM	Coooool. A map of Faerūn 2000 years ago. Always would have liked to see that...
Kuje31 07-29-04, 06:43 PM	Originally posted by maynardjkeenan Coooool. A map of Faerūn 2000 years ago. Always would have liked to see that... Well Netheril box set has one. As does the Cormanthor sourcebook for the Heartlands area.....
The_Declaration 07-29-04, 06:56 PM	nice, sounds like it has the flavour of a "FR history book". Can be pretty good.
GothicDan 07-29-04, 07:21 PM	I'm looking forward to the stuff about the dead deities, myself..
theorcrist 07-30-04, 08:41 AM	I am so excited about Ancient Empires! At first glance, I thought (and hoped) that it was going to be an Old Empires supplement. However, now that Ive read you peoples' speculations, I think that it would be great to have a 'history'-like FR book that would supply ancient traditions and folky mythologies for ancient civilations. In closing, I hope that it is a bit of both. I think that it could be effecitvly done this way, offering informatoin about ancient empires in the past as well as the now. Ancient Empires, Well Met!
Brenigin 07-30-04, 05:11 PM	Weird... they've taken the 2005 new release listings back down off the WotC site...
J. Grenemyer 07-30-04, 05:56 PM	Hello, MAN am I stoked for this book! I can't wait for the stuff on monsters and dead gods! :D
Kain's avatar 07-30-04, 06:35 PM	Originally posted by Krash Well, they are all ancient empires so you'd think that they would all feature. A write-up on Tethyamar would be nice.:) -- George Krashos Hey Krash, can you tell us if it has anything more detailed on the Imaskari empire, as it has never really been detailed or ironed out?
The_Declaration 07-30-04, 06:37 PM	did i just dream or there was a sourcebook about Waterdeep supposed to come out in the early 2005? does somebody has info?
Kuje31 07-30-04, 06:50 PM	Originally posted by The_Declaration did i just dream or there was a sourcebook about Waterdeep supposed to come out in the early 2005? does somebody has info? The Waterdeep sourcebook, plus Ed's and Elaine's Waterdeep novel are also set for next year.
Dargoth 07-30-04, 06:50 PM	Ed Bonny one of the Ancient Empires Authors has posted abit of info on AE over at Enworld Grumpy Celt: Technically, it does not appear that Ancient Empires will be about the Heartlands. It will be about the rise and fall of ancient empires, such as Mulhorand, Unther, Calimshan, Cormanthur and so forth Ed Bonny: I would not be so hasty as to buy into that assumption - and for good reason. As one half of the team who wrote Ancient Empires, I know that many lost realms and forgotten kingdoms throughout Faerun are covered - including those that once occupied the lands in and around the Heartlands. Grumpy celt: Does it at least discuss the three surviving empires? Ed Bonny: Yessirree Mr. Celt! Yes, it does
J. Grenemyer 07-30-04, 07:58 PM	Link, please?
Kuje31 07-30-04, 08:05 PM	Originally posted by J. Grenemyer Link, please? Ditto!
Dargoth 07-30-04, 08:34 PM	http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95990 I think his posts are on page 2
Dargoth 07-30-04, 08:55 PM	Dargoths Speculation on what the " A chapter each on half-a-dozen key eras/regions/groupings of fallen empires." will include As theres 6 chapters: 1) Netheril and the 3 Survivor states 2) Mulhorond* 3) Unther* 4) Chessenta* 5) Elven Kingdoms 6) Dwarven Kingdoms * These Kingoms still exist today so I suspect they'll get there own chapters, The now deceased Imaskai Empire maybe included in one of * chapters
Demetrios 07-30-04, 11:15 PM	Originally posted by Dargoth Dargoths Speculation on what the " A chapter each on half-a-dozen key eras/regions/groupings of fallen empires." will include As theres 6 chapters: 1) Netheril and the 3 Survivor states 2) Mulhorond* 3) Unther* 4) Chessenta* 5) Elven Kingdoms 6) Dwarven Kingdoms * These Kingoms still exist today so I suspect they'll get there own chapters, The now deceased Imaskai Empire maybe included in one of * chapters I would guess that Mulhorand, Unther, and Chessenta (if the last is even covered, being neither an empire nor ancient) would be all in one of the "era/regions/groupings", simply because doing them all seperately would leave too little room for other old states. I would think it would be more likely: 1. Imaskar and survivor states (Mulhorand and Unther) 2. Jhaamdath 3. Netheril and survivor states 4. Calimshan/Shoon 5. Narfell/Raumanthar As for the sixth, I'm not sure. Perhaps it will be the elven and dwarven empires, or maybe another ancient human state...
freebooter 07-31-04, 03:36 AM	calimshan *must* be in it!! it is the oldest surviving human empire! i so hope it's in there!!
createvmind 07-31-04, 11:21 AM	I think it would be called Lost Empires if was going to be about Imaskar, Netheril, etcccc.........So it seems most post are right that its leaning towards Calimshan, Mulhorand, etc......... Most likely the older lost civilizations will be mentioned to great extent since most influenced the latter. Only about 7 months to go before we find out.....they just make us suffer dont they.;)
The_Declaration 07-31-04, 11:59 AM	Originally posted by createvmind I think it would be called Lost Empires if was going to be about Imaskar, Netheril, etcccc.........So it seems most post are right that its leaning towards Calimshan, Mulhorand, etc......... Most likely the older lost civilizations will be mentioned to great extent since most influenced the latter. Only about 7 months to go before we find out.....they just make us suffer dont they.;) got your point, but as the book is supposed (apparently) to describe today the remaining elements of the "ancient empires", i'd find it weird if they would only include stuffs from Calimshan/Mulhorande/... and nothing from Netheril. Again, it's only pure speculation. Wait & see.
Faraer 07-31-04, 12:02 PM	It's not speculation: we have more or less oblique comments from Rich Baker, Ed Bonny and George Krashos that indicate the book will cover all of the above, without a particular focus on the 'Old Empires'.
Demetrios 07-31-04, 10:28 PM	I have a feeling that it will be done in a similar manner as Serpent Kingdoms: The sites of defunct states will be described, but not the modern states and cities now located there, while states involved that survive to the present will be described in full. Thus in Serpent Kingdoms, Isstosseffifil and Okoth were only described in terms of the ruins and surviving sites, but didn't go into descriptions of Anauroch or Mulhorand even though the ancient empires of the sarrukh lie in those regions. But places like Najara and Serpentes have full present-day write-ups as they have survived to the current date. Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised if Ancient Empires had descriptions of the ruins and sites of defunct empires, but not their present-day replacements, but in the cases of empires that have survived more or less intact to the present day, such as Mulhorand and Unther (and possibly Calimshan, though I consider that as much less likely), we may see full-fledged write-ups like in other geographic accessories. And it would be nice for Mulhorand and Unther, as the two are in desperate need of being updated, as a whole bunch has happened since the time of the Old Empires accessory.
Brenigin 08-01-04, 04:34 AM	I doubt Calimshan will be included. I think it is more likely to turn up in a 3E version of a Lands of Intrigue or Empires of the Shining Sea style supplement. Probably and Unapproachable East style book on Amn, Tethyr, Calimshan and neighbouring areas. I do think it highly likely we will see some modern-era info on Unther and Mulhorand though.
Demetrios 08-01-04, 10:00 AM	Originally posted by Brenigin I doubt Calimshan will be included. I think it is more likely to turn up in a 3E version of a Lands of Intrigue or Empires of the Shining Sea style supplement. Probably and Unapproachable East style book on Amn, Tethyr, Calimshan and neighbouring areas. I do think it highly likely we will see some modern-era info on Unther and Mulhorand though. Ancient Calimshan seems very likely to me to be included - it's undoubtedly one of the most important "Ancient Empires" in the history of Faerun. But I do agree with you that Modern Calimshan is likely to be left to a later regional accessory. Ancient Empires will probably follow its history to the collapse of the Shoon Empire (perhaps we will get a good detailed look at the ruins of Shoonach!) and leave the rest until later...
Triton 08-02-04, 08:58 AM	This is what I would like to see the table of context look like: Intro: Chapter 1: Calimshan History Genies Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Chapter 2: Jhaamdath History Elven/Human conflict Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Chapter 3: Netheril History Arcanists Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Chapter 4: Imaskar History Enslaved Cultures Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Chapter 5: Narfell/Raumathar History
Triton 08-02-04, 09:00 AM	This is what I would like to see the table of context look like: Intro: Chapter 1: Calimshan History Genies Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 2: Jhaamdath History Elven/Human conflict Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 3: Netheril History Arcanists Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 4: Imaskar History Enslaved Cultures Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 5: Narfell/Raumathar History Demonic War Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 6: Other Races
Triton 08-02-04, 09:09 AM	This is what I would like to see the table of context look like: Intro: Chapter 1: Calimshan History Genies Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 2: Jhaamdath History Elven/Human conflict Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 3: Netheril History Arcanists Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 4: Imaskar History Enslaved Cultures Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 5: Narfell/Raumathar History Demonic War Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 6: Other Races Dragons Ostoria Elves Dwarves Other Human Civilizations Chapter 7: Monsters Chapter 8: Prestige Classes Chapter 9: Feats and Skills Chapter 10: Magic Spells Magic Items Chapter 11: Adventures Appendix: Roll of Years Timeline of Toril-35,000 to present
Triton 08-02-04, 09:13 AM	Sorry for triple post.
ssvegeta555 08-02-04, 11:50 AM	Originally posted by Triton Sorry for triple post. you dont see triple posts everday. cool. :) What I'm anxious to see is the monsters, and definitly the dead deities. I know very few, and I would like to know more. I know there is one dead deity mentioned in the avatar novels, I think the 4th book, prince of lies was it? But Ohgma (I think it was ohgma who said it) said there was some ancient book used by a dead god more evil,insane and all other bad stuff than Cyric, Myrkull, adn Bane combined. I want to know about him!
boblastears 08-02-04, 01:34 PM	Originally posted by Triton This is what I would like to see the table of context look like: Intro: Chapter 1: Calimshan History Genies Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 2: Jhaamdath History Elven/Human conflict Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 3: Netheril History Arcanists Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 4: Imaskar History Enslaved Cultures Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 5: Narfell/Raumathar History Demonic War Culture Important Sites Magic Deities Today Chapter 6: Other Races Dragons Ostoria Elves Dwarves Other Human Civilizations Chapter 7: Monsters Chapter 8: Prestige Classes Chapter 9: Feats and Skills Chapter 10: Magic Spells Magic Items Chapter 11: Adventures Appendix: Roll of Years Timeline of Toril-35,000 to present I like it, lets vross the finger and hope WoTC hear and make it this way.
boblastears 08-02-04, 01:34 PM	double post, sorry ... it seens is happing a lot on this thread:)
Sylvos 08-02-04, 02:10 PM	Personally I would like to see some information and background on the Dawn Cataclysm since it ended with the banishment and destruction of Autumanor(sp) and the death of Helm's consort. This would tie into the Netheril information since both Tyche and Autumanor (sp) were around during the time of Netheril and worshipped during that Empire. The Dawn Cataclysm has always intrigued me since there has been maybe 3 or 4 paragraphs worth of information in all the sourcebooks to date. Apparently it was almost a Time of Troubles but on the celestial planes, I may be wrong but it was definately some form of Godswar.
Garen Thal 08-02-04, 02:28 PM	Originally posted by Sylvos Personally I would like to see some information and background on the Dawn Cataclysm since it ended with the banishment and destruction of Autumanor(sp) and the death of Helm's consort. This would tie into the Netheril information since both Tyche and Autumanor (sp) were around during the time of Netheril and worshipped during that Empire. The Dawn Cataclysm has always intrigued me since there has been maybe 3 or 4 paragraphs worth of information in all the sourcebooks to date. Apparently it was almost a Time of Troubles but on the celestial planes, I may be wrong but it was definately some form of Godswar. Amaunator's death/decline/removal from the pantheon was not a result of the Dawn Cataclysm (which has never been reliably dated, and likely won't be), but a direct result of the Fall of Netheril. Netherese survivor states abandoned the worship of Amaunator, causing his eventual fall as a god. As Ancient Empires is set before the fall of Netheril--something we know happened before both Amaunator's "death" and before the Dawn Cataclysm--it's extremely doubtful we'll see much information on it in that tome.
Lashan 08-02-04, 02:34 PM	First off, I think that this product is going to ROCK! I think this is going to be one of the most important FR products to come out in a while. It will correct a lot of history problems that have caused much gnashing of teeth to those such as Krashos. It will give much history and detail to all the FR lands and add depth to the game world. It will also have a lot of stuff for dungeon crawling and good ole' adventuring. Second, I am really looking forward to Narfell/Raumathar info. Races of Faerun and Unapproachable East have really peaked my interest in the eastern portion of FR. I've been very interested in Damaran culture and history, and it is all heavily influenced on Narfell/Raumathar.
Demetrios 08-02-04, 03:45 PM	Originally posted by Garen Thal Amaunator's death/decline/removal from the pantheon was not a result of the Dawn Cataclysm (which has never been reliably dated, and likely won't be), but a direct result of the Fall of Netheril. Netherese survivor states abandoned the worship of Amaunator, causing his eventual fall as a god. As Ancient Empires is set before the fall of Netheril--something we know happened before both Amaunator's "death" and before the Dawn Cataclysm--it's extremely doubtful we'll see much information on it in that tome. The only thing in Ancient Empires that we know will be "set" before the fall of Netheril is the map. Presumably all the histories of these states won't come to a screeching halt at -676 DR and not tell what happened afterwards, but rather follow their histories to their respective collapses (perhaps even to the present day in the cases of Mulhorand and Unther). Otherwise, this accessory will be in the bizarre position of pointing out the locations of ruins of these empires without telling us how the empires came to be ruined in the first place! And as Rich Baker said that the accessory will take a look at the more important dead gods, it is almost virtually guaranteed that it will deal with Amaunator's decline and "death", and at least a quick look into the Dawn Cataclysm seems pretty likely.
Telagaunt 08-02-04, 04:45 PM	I hope they touch on the Imaskar Empire which I think they will. But I'm interested to see if they mention the Imaskari using the Shadow Weave as they presented it in the Shadow Stone.
Triton 08-02-04, 10:19 PM	-676 DR would allow for lots of empires to be discussed. As I showed in my TRIPLE post, it would be awesome to have a section on each of the empires deities, including a statement of where they went. A list of spells developed, including lost spells, and the same for magic items. It's great to hear about a ancient deity of war who had died in combat with Tempus. This deities followers might have developed some common spells and some lost magics that we as DMs can now use as adventure treasure. To me this is what I want to get out of Ancient Empires.
Iakhovas 08-03-04, 04:23 PM	This sourcebook sounds very interesting and is well overdue. I'd hardly call 2,000 years ago "Ancient" however. Truly ancient empires of Faerūn would include those of the Creator Races, The Colossal Kingdom (Giants), and the Rise of Dragons during the Age of Thunder.
Lashan 08-03-04, 04:40 PM	2000 years ago in our own time is considered ancient. Why not in FR time as well? How old does something have to be to be ancient? I would even say that Myth Drannor can be called ancient. Just b/c there are civilizations that are older then 2k doesn't mean those that are 2000 years old are not ancient. It's like saing the Greeks were not ancient b/c the Babylonians were around before them. As for an ancient god of war that fought Tempus, there is Garagus. He was the ancient god of war that was defeated by Tempus. The lose drove him into a rage with anger and he is the beserker god now.
freebooter 08-03-04, 04:44 PM	but only because, if i remember correctly, tempus does not like this aspect of warfare. so he let garagos have it / keep it. i wonder if that will prove to be a mistake? :) an old god like garagos must have plans to regain his portofolios... but maybe he can't think very straight in this state! :)
Iakhovas 08-03-04, 06:52 PM	Lol Lashan. When does something become ancient? 10 years ago? 100? a 1000 years ago? The empires I spoke of existed on Faerūn over 25,000 years ago. Compared to them, the empires that existed only 2,000 years ago are practically postmodern.
ssvegeta555 08-03-04, 10:45 PM	Originally posted by Iakhovas When does something become ancient? When people turn 70 years old. :smirk:
Telagaunt 08-03-04, 11:50 PM	I've hardly ever heard 2000 years ago (Earth time) be called ancient.. When people say ancient on Earth, I think the Egyptians, Romans, Dynasties of China and Japan, Greece, Byzantine, etc... Most of the time IMO when I've dealt with 'ancient' stuff, (like schoolwork for example), it seemed to end a few hundred years before A.D. even started.
Monsoon28 08-04-04, 05:16 AM	Can't wait for a new write up on Myrkul! If been waiting for AGES! Btw, this is the write-up from the Products page: "For the first time, the secrets of past empires of the Forgotten Realms world are chronicled in one comprehensive sourcebook. For players, this book contains new options for characters wishing to delve into ancient ruins, including new feats, prestige classes, magic, and equipment. For Dungeon Masters, this book contains new material associated with ruins, including rules for how to build and sustain a ruin-based campaign, more than a dozen detailed adventure sites with maps, and new monsters and artifacts."
Lashan 08-04-04, 06:52 AM	Telagaunt, you do realize that the "ancient" Roman empire was about 2000 years ago, right? The Roman empire went into the fourth centery AD. Anceint Greece was about 2200-2500 years ago, as well. Depending on what portion of ancient China or Japan you are talking about, they might have only been 1000 years ago and still be considered ancient.
AlexanderHeppe 08-05-04, 03:34 AM	Originally posted by Monsoon28 Btw, this is the write-up from the Products page: "For players, this book contains new options for characters wishing to delve into ancient ruins, including new feats, prestige classes, magic, and equipment . For Dungeon Masters, this book contains new material associated with ruins, including rules for how to build and sustain a ruin-based campaign, more than a dozen detailed adventure sites with maps, and new monsters and artifacts." Wow, new feats! Wow, new Prestige Classes! Wow, new spells and equpment! Just what I expected from a sourcebook titled Ancient Empires. Hopefully they won“t put too much background information into this product. It is annoying to read the story bits between the rules info... Mmmh, more Rules for the DM on how to run ruins. Cool, probably another random Dugeon table like the one in DMG. Or, perhaps, a partial rewrite of the old 2E Catacomb Guide? Ok, I might sound a bit disappointed. So please, Mr Bonny and Mr Stout, prove me wrong!
Mr. FIXIT 08-05-04, 05:05 AM	Hopefully we will see some of those spells that made the Netherese and Imaskari famous (Karsus' Avatar, f.ex). And hopefuly we will recieve answers to questions such as; did the Netherese use epic magic? Or did they use spells progressed beyond the ninth level (and Mystras ban is therefore still effective)? Did the Imaskari know of the shadow weave?... and so on. This book is everything I ever wanted... I can die a happy man now... Gotta have it now...(yesss, yesss I do).
Demetrios 08-05-04, 05:49 AM	Originally posted by AlexanderHeppe Wow, new feats! Wow, new Prestige Classes! Wow, new spells and equpment! Just what I expected from a sourcebook titled Ancient Empires. Hopefully they won“t put too much background information into this product. It is annoying to read the story bits between the rules info... Mmmh, more Rules for the DM on how to run ruins. Cool, probably another random Dugeon table like the one in DMG. Or, perhaps, a partial rewrite of the old 2E Catacomb Guide? Ok, I might sound a bit disappointed. So please, Mr Bonny and Mr Stout, prove me wrong! Rich Baker said: "Eric Boyd and George Krashos handled a Herculean job of continuity-checking and tweaking". If there were very little background information in this book, their task could hardly have been described as "Herculean", now would it?
Lashan 08-05-04, 06:56 AM	I think the Herculean part is where they try to make all the different histories match into one cohesive timeline.
ebonny 08-06-04, 01:46 PM	Originally posted by AlexanderHeppe Wow, new feats! Wow, new Prestige Classes! Wow, new spells and equpment! Just what I expected from a sourcebook titled Ancient Empires.... <snip> The "new" spells, feats, equipment and prestige classes are really not new to Faerun at all. They are more a collection of lost and forgotten lore of long-dead, not-so-long dead, and even still living age-old kingdoms. - Ed
MongtheMerciless 08-21-04, 03:18 PM	So is it likely that Ostoria/Ice Spires/Hartsvale and it's history and denizens will be covered in this book?
Kain's avatar 08-21-04, 05:45 PM	Originally posted by Garen Thal Amaunator's death/decline/removal from the pantheon was not a result of the Dawn Cataclysm (which has never been reliably dated, and likely won't be), but a direct result of the Fall of Netheril. Netherese survivor states abandoned the worship of Amaunator, causing his eventual fall as a god. As Ancient Empires is set before the fall of Netheril--something we know happened before both Amaunator's "death" and before the Dawn Cataclysm--it's extremely doubtful we'll see much information on it in that tome. Remember that the Anauroch desert didn't exist back then it was the empire of Netheril, it will be interesting to see what it looked like... Also, the war between the Sharn and the Phaerimm supposed cause many geological changes, like flattening mountains, turning valleys into hills and such, so the geography may be considerably different in a 2000 year old map of Faerūn.
Cunning Linguist 08-21-04, 08:05 PM	Originally posted by Kain's avatar Remember that the Anauroch desert didn't exist back then it was the empire of Netheril, it will be interesting to see what it looked like... Also, the war between the Sharn and the Phaerimm supposed cause many geological changes, like flattening mountains, turning valleys into hills and such, so the geography may be considerably different in a 2000 year old map of Faerūn. Download Netheril: Empire of Magic, they have a complete map of Faerun (or atleast the Netheril Empire part) before the fall, and before the Sharn/Phaerimm war.
Kain's avatar 08-21-04, 08:51 PM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist Download Netheril: Empire of Magic, they have a complete map of Faerun (or atleast the Netheril Empire part) before the fall, and before the Sharn/Phaerimm war. LOL, had it for years and never noticed it has before and after maps, I thought it was just a present day map of where stuff in Netheril would have been. :D
druid berrymore 08-21-04, 09:57 PM	With this and the Waterdeep book I'll be happy for the rest of 2005 if there is nothing else. On another note, I wonder when Wotc is going to change the design of FR books. For the last 4 years they have looked virtually the same. 1e and 2e changed much more. I'm not saying I don't like the design...I'd just like to see something a little different.
Cunning Linguist 08-22-04, 12:46 PM	This came in on the FR mailinglist a few minutes ago: By Jason Hatter The only Realms seminar is still an hour + away, but I did manage to get some information the other day from the upcoming WOTC products seminar I attended. They did confirm for me that the Ancient Empires book will basically have the fomrat of: A) Information about the ancient empires in their heyday B) Information about their ruins and C) How to tie it into a "modern" Realms campaign. That's about al form Gen Con, though Monster Manual III was available for sale here. Many entries have info on how to add the monster to an Eberron or Realms campaign, though in my opinion, the additions to the realms show a scant knowledge of some things (such as powerful evil giants allied to the Netherese during their heyday, and a dragonish type race being allied to a dragon, and all of them "roamed the deserts of Anauroch"...) reposted it here, for those of you who are not on that list...