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Spartanmax09
02-26-07, 02:37 PM Does anybody know if it's possible to buy a Giraffe for either a pet or a mount? if so , does anybody know how much it would cost to buy and to train?
BadCatMan
02-26-07, 07:00 PM This is probably the wrong forum.

I don't know where you'd find stats for the giraffe, but if you want it for use in battle, then you should check out the Warbeast template from Monster Manual 2. That will make it batttle-trained, and give you prices and training times.
Purple Dragon Knight
02-26-07, 07:03 PM Hmm... excellent question.

The training time is easily determined as per the Handle Animal skill, in the PHB.

As for the cost, I would simply use the cost for known mounts, as shown in the PHB, and then scale these costs proportionally to the giraffe's Hit Dice, whatever this may be (i.e. if a 3 HD horse is 400gp, then a 6 HD horse, giraffe or other herbivorous mount would be 800gp, etc.)
Purple Dragon Knight
02-26-07, 07:08 PM Good idea BadCatMan.

I'd be curious to see if the Warbeast template has been applied to classic creatures such as the Warhorse (as they come already trained for war as well...)

I've always found the rules around 'War Animals' very shady... there's some kind of breakdown there, and it's extremely annoying to see that druid or ranger animal companions are not the bigger/better 'War' versions (e.g. a 1st-level fighter or paladin who could somehow afford a warhorse is better off than a druid with horse animal companion, which I find ridiculous... the druid horse companion only 'catches' up with their domesticated war-trained brethren after the druid gains a few levels... by the way, in my campaign, I have houseruled that druids/rangers get the 'war' versions; nature essentially offers them the 'top-picks'...)
Spartanmax09
02-26-07, 07:24 PM would you say the Giraffe gets a HD d8 or d10

and what skills / feats would a battle trained giraffe get?

would it have bite and kick as attacks? standard action for both ?
BadCatMan
02-26-07, 08:13 PM Warbeast basically makes the animal tougher and stronger, and trained for war so it won't run away. An extra HD, and others.

Warhorses and riding dogs are technically already warbeasts of their type, and can't take the template. The template essentially applies their bonuses to other animals and magical beasts.

I have an Orc Knight player who rides a warbeast wolf - a 'warwolf'.

I can't even begin to think what a giraffe would do in battle. :confused:
MarkusTay63
02-26-07, 10:23 PM I can't even begin to think what a giraffe would do in battle. :confused:Stick it's neck out for you? :P
Purple Dragon Knight
02-26-07, 11:17 PM I can't even begin to think what a giraffe would do in battle. :confused:Oh, I can... :D

But seriously... a war-trained giraffe has the main problem of not being bulky, with thin legs. A moose has the same problems (top heavy, on thin legs) but compensates with large antlers.

To make a proper war-giraffe, you'll have to find a way to strengthen the poor thing, and you'll have to wield weapons that can even reach enemies down below (although in terms of pure game mechanics, you could still attack foes with a dagger while mounted on a giraffe... :rolleyes: )

Perhaps sets of woodden poles on each side of the neck, with pulleys at the base of the neck to 'raise' or 'lower' the neck, so as to ease the burden of any neck barding and (methinks) horizontal blades set along the neck, so as to create somekind of 'vertebrae' effect, which could be used to break enemy ranks (essentially riding in large throngs of people and slashing them to pieces... repeatedly as the giraffe runs by...)
BadCatMan
02-27-07, 12:07 AM The giraffe might be more effective as a high-ranged archery platform - if you can sit on the head and shoot from it. Or it could reach low-level fliers, or enemies on walls - it's like a mobile siege tower. :D

You also might want to carry a reach weapon to be sure.

There's a picture of an armoured giraffe in The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume 2 graphic novel (very graphic...). I remember it had armoured plates, and blades swinging down from the neck.

It also had a naked chick riding it, which is why I don't remember much about the giraffe. :)
Sir_Wolfgar
02-27-07, 01:50 AM I'm picturing a group of savannah-themed Gnomes on a Giraffe, usuing speak with animals to ask the tall creature what is going on on the battlefield.

I think a Giraffe would be good in a battle just to scare the crap of people who haven't seen one before.
Another Gnome
02-27-07, 02:11 AM I'm picturing a group of savannah-themed Gnomes on a Giraffe, usuing speak with animals to ask the tall creature what is going on on the battlefield.

A giraffe is not a burrowing animal. Perhaps you are mistaking it to an ostrich? :P
Sir_Wolfgar
02-27-07, 01:50 PM Is the gnomish speak with animals only for burrowing creatures? I shall have to change that then, if only to give my players more incentive to play the forgotten folk.
Spartanmax09
02-27-07, 04:40 PM A problem with a medium creature on top of the head of the Giraffe is that it would cause the neck strain and if not strong enough, it could break, do you suggest to pay more for a more well-trained strong neck, or would you buy something or protect it in a way that it could support that type of use? and it would be a balance check to stay on the head, especially with the Giraffe running and attacking people

I do like the blades hanging idea, but that would also be heavy on him

and how much would it costs to armor a Giraffe and do the blades idea?
MarkusTay63
02-27-07, 07:39 PM But many FR animals are different from RW animals. I don't think something as basic as cattle even exists, they have Rothe instead. Also, there is a long-necked creature in Silver Marches called a Branta that might work better, it has a much thicker neck (although not as long).

Perhaps take that creature, and create a longer-necked version that lives in the South, to replace to the niche the Giraffe fits into in the RW? If not, at least have your fantasy version have something different - make the 'horns' real horns that do damage, or make it zebra-striped rather then spotted. If its not a real-world copy, then you can have it have a stronger neck. Plus, I'm a firm believer in Fantasy settings having their own animals - variant versions of our own.
Spartanmax09
02-27-07, 10:11 PM Tell me what i should modify for this level 7 War Giraffe

so far it is.....

STR 18
Dex 18
Con 16
Int 16
Wis 15
CHA 11

HP 48
AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural)

Base Attack 6?

Bite 2d8+2
Kick 28+2

Please someone modify that because i know much of it should be changed and that i need to factor in armor
FzouLxxChoseNxxOFxxBanE
02-27-07, 10:33 PM ........im talking to u on aim right now
badass war giraffe
yeahhhhh....
i like the sound of that
MarkusTay63
02-27-07, 11:31 PM I'd rather see the 'horn' attack, but if you insist on a 'bite' then outfit him with some metal-chompers (like the guy Jaws in the James Bond movie). I've been accidently 'bitten' by a giraffe while feeding it carrots, and guess what? It didn't hurt... at all.
Spartanmax09
02-28-07, 03:36 PM well if Giraffes had horns that would be nice
MarkusTay63
02-28-07, 10:50 PM What are those?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Giraffe_standing.jpg/250px-

Like I was saying, make them harder (like real horns) and you got yourself a decent attack. It is a fantasy version, after all. Not too many real ones wear armor and carry gnomes on their heads, AFAIK. :rolleye2:
Renvale999
03-01-07, 05:18 PM A problem with a medium creature on top of the head of the Giraffe is that it would cause the neck strain and if not strong enough, it could break, do you suggest to pay more for a more well-trained strong neck, or would you buy something or protect it in a way that it could support that type of use? and it would be a balance check to stay on the head, especially with the Giraffe running and attacking people

I do like the blades hanging idea, but that would also be heavy on him

and how much would it costs to armor a Giraffe and do the blades idea?

Riding on the Giraffe's head? You can't be serious, maybe the back but it's not really designed for riding since it slants downward.

All and all it's a cool idea, but not necessarily doable unless you get somekind of unique saddle to compensate for the slant in the back.
Spartanmax09
03-01-07, 07:26 PM that's why just make it war War Giraffe and not amount because of the the riding problems
Renvale999
03-01-07, 07:32 PM that's why just make it war War Giraffe and not amount because of the the riding problems

So your not going to ride it? I'm confused...not that it takes alot to do.
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 09:15 PM ''Yer 'aving a giraffe arn' ya?!"

In the foggy british isles the above saying means so much...
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 09:17 PM What are those?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Giraffe_standing.jpg/250px-

Gnomosexual joysticks?
MarkusTay63
03-01-07, 09:46 PM Notice the guy on the Dinosaur on the right.

http://www.dinotopia.com/dinosaurparade.jpg

The sadle is entirely possible, however such an animal, even a fantasy version, will most likely be a herbivore and therefore it's bite ineffectual (a bad bruise perhaps, but slim chance of breaking the skin).

If you were to create a similar Giraffe-like FR creature, like the Branta on pg.120 of Silver Marches but with a longer neck that enjoyed warmer climes, then the horn attack would be do-able.

By the same token a carnivorous version that has sharp teeth would be equally do-able. I'm not aware of any mammals with that shape that are meat-eaters though, so perhaps a reptile would be more realistic.

It is YOUR fantasy setting of course, and you can always create whatever you like. ;)
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 09:54 PM Notice the guy on the Dinosaur on the right.

http://www.dinotopia.com/dinosaurparade.jpg

The sadle is entirely possible, however such an animal, even a fantasy version, will most likely be a herbivore and therefore it's bite ineffectual (a bad bruise perhaps, but slim chance of breaking the skin).

If you were to create a similar Giraffe-like FR creature, like the Branta on pg.120 of Silver Marches but with a longer neck that enjoyed warmer climes, then the horn attack would be do-able.

By the same token a carnivorous version that has sharp teeth would be equally do-able. I'm not aware of any mammals with that shape that are meat-eaters though, so perhaps a reptile would be more realistic.

It is YOUR fantasy setting of course, and you can always create whatever you like. ;)

IRL I've seen horses do pretty mean bites -as bad as small-medium sized dogs could! Giraffe's can bite hard and have tough mouth-flesh allowing them to withstand thorns and stuff...

They are insane and walk weird, I love them. Eddie Izzard can walk like one.
Spartanmax09
03-01-07, 10:37 PM well i could do a neck type attack where the Giraffe basically takes a humongous swipe at enemies and that neck is long it could take out 2 or 3 enemies
MarkusTay63
03-01-07, 10:56 PM especially with some spikey headgear. :D
Spartanmax09
03-01-07, 10:58 PM Or spikey neck gear it its swinging it's neck, or at least good protection for it's neck
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 11:05 PM neck, NECK, Neck, nek, knec, knek, KNECK Nehk.... Good lordy bennet! I love that work nek nek enekenkeneknknknknekneknekenkeneknknkenk nekenkenekeneknkenkenkeneknekneknekenken kenkeneknknkenekneck.

psuedofarrealmsspawngiraffe with a neck full of suckers and mucus dripping sharp toothed openings would be hot! (as long as it had studded leather body armour of course.)
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 11:07 PM well i could do a neck type attack where the Giraffe basically takes a humongous swipe at enemies and that neck is long it could take out 2 or 3 enemies

armour with shiz loadsa spikes on its NECK!

Aahh...
BrianCritchley
03-01-07, 11:22 PM Tell me what i should modify for this level 7 War Giraffe

so far it is.....

STR 18
Dex 18
Con 16
Int 16
Wis 15
CHA 11

HP 48
AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural)

Base Attack 6?

Bite 2d8+2
Kick 28+2

Please someone modify that because i know much of it should be changed and that i need to factor in armor

dear god! you're kidding right!? the mental stats are JUST A LITTLE HIGH seriously this thing's smarter then most PEOPLE
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 11:26 PM dear god! you're kidding right!? the mental stats are JUST A LITTLE HIGH seriously this thing's smarter then most PEOPLE

I'm dumber than most giraffe's so theres a universal balance.
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 11:32 PM Actually, I have a confession to make...

I am a giraffe.

And proud.

My people have the flehmen response, Nah nah!
Gallaweed
03-01-07, 11:38 PM Tell me what i should modify for this level 7 War Giraffe

so far it is.....

STR 18
Dex 18
Con 16
Int 16
Wis 15
CHA 11

HP 48
AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural)

Base Attack 6?

Bite 2d8+2
Kick 28+2

Please someone modify that because i know much of it should be changed and that i need to factor in armor

Giraffe people may have elven blood and monk levels, from Wikipedia:

"The giraffe has one of the shortest sleep requirements of any mammal, which is between 10 minutes and two hours in a 24-hour period. This has led to the myth that giraffes cannot lie down and that if they do so, they will die. The giraffe defends itself against threats by kicking with great force. A single well-placed kick of an adult giraffe can shatter a lion's skull or break its spine."

They should do Charlies Angels 3 -but with giraffes! HOT!
Spartanmax09
03-02-07, 05:21 PM well i rolled the Giraffes stats...that just how i put it so yeah lol, and i need a smart Giraffe if i want it killing people =P
BrianCritchley
03-02-07, 05:35 PM well i rolled the Giraffes stats...that just how i put it so yeah lol, and i need a smart Giraffe if i want it killing people =P

pop open your monster manual and examine the int traits of the wolf and say.. the wrarhorse.

a giraffe that smart is going to be the type to ask "but what if killing people is wrong?"

note: a 16 int means the giraffe will be fluent in 3 seperate languages :)
MarkusTay63
03-02-07, 05:41 PM I'm fairly certain that this creature can no longer be properly called a giraffe.

"Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore" ;)
Spartanmax09
03-02-07, 06:52 PM well at least we know my Giraffe can speak to my party and tell us what he thinks is a good plan haha
MarkusTay63
03-02-07, 07:12 PM The fact that your party follows the advice of a Giraffe says it all. :P
FzouLxxChoseNxxOFxxBanE
03-03-07, 02:08 PM i would follow a giraffe....got a problem with that.....wanna fight about it?
bahhh
italians
Renvale999
03-04-07, 12:13 PM The fact that this thread has gone over 40 replies about Giraffe's is very, very sad I think.:P
Burningspear
03-04-07, 12:32 PM The fact that this thread has gone over 40 replies about Giraffe's is very, very sad I think.:P

I have to agree here, specially with such idiotic high stats for a normal animal, jees...:banghead: :rant: :clap:
Spartanmax09
03-04-07, 04:31 PM the stats were off and have been changed
Burningspear
03-04-07, 04:36 PM the stats were off and have been changed

the only "off" stats i saw were:
(and no, they did not yet change).

STR 18
Dex 18
Con 16
Int 16
Wis 15
CHA 11

HP 48
AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural)

Base Attack 6?

Bite 2d8+2
Kick 28+2
Spartanmax09
03-04-07, 04:59 PM you said they were all off?
Lord Karsus
03-04-07, 08:12 PM The fact that this thread has gone over 40 replies about Giraffe's is very, very sad I think.:P

-And yet, you read it all, didn't you? ;)
Spartanmax09
03-04-07, 08:27 PM well i know that almost all of those stats were off, the str was close but most of it was off
MarkusTay63
03-04-07, 08:51 PM Considering this thread has garnered MORE interest then the ENTIRE Birthright forum, I think a setting based around aggressive intelligent Giraffes is Campaign worthy. :P

Maybe WotC will do a sourcebook on it... TSR would've. :rolleye2:
Lord Karsus
03-04-07, 08:54 PM Considering this thread has garnered MORE interest then the ENTIRE Birthright forum, I think a setting based around aggressive intelligent Giraffes is Campaign worthy. :P

Maybe WotC will do a sourcebook on it... TSR would've. :rolleye2:

:rofl:x100

-What should it be called? Giraffrica, perhaps?
MarkusTay63
03-04-07, 09:19 PM The Complete book of Giraffes, of course.

It would include things like the Blade Neck PrC and the Iron Chompers Feat. ;)
Spartanmax09
03-04-07, 10:06 PM i think they should make that haha, or at least The Complete Book of Pets
Renvale999
03-04-07, 11:25 PM -And yet, you read it all, didn't you? ;)

Shoosh
Lord Karsus
03-04-07, 11:30 PM -I just had to point out the obvious. ;)
Renvale999
03-04-07, 11:32 PM -I just had to point out the obvious. ;)

As usual :)
MarkusTay63
03-05-07, 12:12 AM i think they should make that haha, or at least The Complete Book of PetsNo, then we can't make a series out of it. :$$:

Book II should be - Diet Secrets of the Hippopotamie ;)
Lord Karsus
03-05-07, 03:08 PM No, then we can't make a series out of it. :$$:

Book II should be - Diet Secrets of the Hippopotamie ;)

Book III

Squid Pro Quo: The Complete Book of Kraken
Stigger
03-05-07, 03:13 PM :blink:
Spartanmax09
03-05-07, 05:23 PM possibly The Complete Book of Harmless Animals
Renvale999
03-05-07, 07:10 PM possibly The Complete Book of Harmless Animals

Haha, that would be funny. I'd include my pomeranian. They'd have like a
+20 to bluff to make people think they're tough lol
Lord Karsus
03-05-07, 08:44 PM Haha, that would be funny. I'd include my pomeranian. They'd have like a
+20 to bluff to make people think they're tough lol

-They also cause other people to go into Rages, and want to end their existances...:mad:
MarkusTay63
03-05-07, 09:01 PM So, to understand the talking Giraffe, we'd need -

Hooked on Girafphonics?

Can't believe this thread hit three pages... sad... just sad... :nonono:
Renvale999
03-06-07, 09:45 AM So, to understand the talking Giraffe, we'd need -

Hooked on Girafphonics?

Can't believe this thread hit three pages... sad... just sad... :nonono:

Sad yes, but funny.
Spartanmax09
03-07-07, 05:36 PM what other crazy animals could we talk about making into War animals / mounts?
Purple Dragon Knight
03-07-07, 06:24 PM I've always longed for official stats for rabbits.

I'd love that, as I could apply the fiendish template, advance the critter to 80 hit dice (while still keeping it 'tiny'), and then surprise the crap out of the PCs as they try to hunt it for supper!

At 80 HD, that gives the DM plenty of feats to bump the bunny's bite damage several times! (Improved Natural Attack and Improved Natural Armor... taken 10 times each or so...)

Edit: knee! knee! knnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnee!!!!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Spartanmax09 02-26-07, 02:37 PM	Does anybody know if it's possible to buy a Giraffe for either a pet or a mount? if so , does anybody know how much it would cost to buy and to train?
BadCatMan 02-26-07, 07:00 PM	This is probably the wrong forum. I don't know where you'd find stats for the giraffe, but if you want it for use in battle, then you should check out the Warbeast template from Monster Manual 2. That will make it batttle-trained, and give you prices and training times.
Purple Dragon Knight 02-26-07, 07:03 PM	Hmm... excellent question. The training time is easily determined as per the Handle Animal skill, in the PHB. As for the cost, I would simply use the cost for known mounts, as shown in the PHB, and then scale these costs proportionally to the giraffe's Hit Dice, whatever this may be (i.e. if a 3 HD horse is 400gp, then a 6 HD horse, giraffe or other herbivorous mount would be 800gp, etc.)
Purple Dragon Knight 02-26-07, 07:08 PM	Good idea BadCatMan. I'd be curious to see if the Warbeast template has been applied to classic creatures such as the Warhorse (as they come already trained for war as well...) I've always found the rules around 'War Animals' very shady... there's some kind of breakdown there, and it's extremely annoying to see that druid or ranger animal companions are not the bigger/better 'War' versions (e.g. a 1st-level fighter or paladin who could somehow afford a warhorse is better off than a druid with horse animal companion, which I find ridiculous... the druid horse companion only 'catches' up with their domesticated war-trained brethren after the druid gains a few levels... by the way, in my campaign, I have houseruled that druids/rangers get the 'war' versions; nature essentially offers them the 'top-picks'...)
Spartanmax09 02-26-07, 07:24 PM	would you say the Giraffe gets a HD d8 or d10 and what skills / feats would a battle trained giraffe get? would it have bite and kick as attacks? standard action for both ?
BadCatMan 02-26-07, 08:13 PM	Warbeast basically makes the animal tougher and stronger, and trained for war so it won't run away. An extra HD, and others. Warhorses and riding dogs are technically already warbeasts of their type, and can't take the template. The template essentially applies their bonuses to other animals and magical beasts. I have an Orc Knight player who rides a warbeast wolf - a 'warwolf'. I can't even begin to think what a giraffe would do in battle. :confused:
MarkusTay63 02-26-07, 10:23 PM	I can't even begin to think what a giraffe would do in battle. :confused:Stick it's neck out for you? :P
Purple Dragon Knight 02-26-07, 11:17 PM	I can't even begin to think what a giraffe would do in battle. :confused:Oh, I can... :D But seriously... a war-trained giraffe has the main problem of not being bulky, with thin legs. A moose has the same problems (top heavy, on thin legs) but compensates with large antlers. To make a proper war-giraffe, you'll have to find a way to strengthen the poor thing, and you'll have to wield weapons that can even reach enemies down below (although in terms of pure game mechanics, you could still attack foes with a dagger while mounted on a giraffe... :rolleyes: ) Perhaps sets of woodden poles on each side of the neck, with pulleys at the base of the neck to 'raise' or 'lower' the neck, so as to ease the burden of any neck barding and (methinks) horizontal blades set along the neck, so as to create somekind of 'vertebrae' effect, which could be used to break enemy ranks (essentially riding in large throngs of people and slashing them to pieces... repeatedly as the giraffe runs by...)
BadCatMan 02-27-07, 12:07 AM	The giraffe might be more effective as a high-ranged archery platform - if you can sit on the head and shoot from it. Or it could reach low-level fliers, or enemies on walls - it's like a mobile siege tower. :D You also might want to carry a reach weapon to be sure. There's a picture of an armoured giraffe in The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume 2 graphic novel (very graphic...). I remember it had armoured plates, and blades swinging down from the neck. It also had a naked chick riding it, which is why I don't remember much about the giraffe. :)
Sir_Wolfgar 02-27-07, 01:50 AM	I'm picturing a group of savannah-themed Gnomes on a Giraffe, usuing speak with animals to ask the tall creature what is going on on the battlefield. I think a Giraffe would be good in a battle just to scare the crap of people who haven't seen one before.
Another Gnome 02-27-07, 02:11 AM	I'm picturing a group of savannah-themed Gnomes on a Giraffe, usuing speak with animals to ask the tall creature what is going on on the battlefield. A giraffe is not a burrowing animal. Perhaps you are mistaking it to an ostrich? :P
Sir_Wolfgar 02-27-07, 01:50 PM	Is the gnomish speak with animals only for burrowing creatures? I shall have to change that then, if only to give my players more incentive to play the forgotten folk.
Spartanmax09 02-27-07, 04:40 PM	A problem with a medium creature on top of the head of the Giraffe is that it would cause the neck strain and if not strong enough, it could break, do you suggest to pay more for a more well-trained strong neck, or would you buy something or protect it in a way that it could support that type of use? and it would be a balance check to stay on the head, especially with the Giraffe running and attacking people I do like the blades hanging idea, but that would also be heavy on him and how much would it costs to armor a Giraffe and do the blades idea?
MarkusTay63 02-27-07, 07:39 PM	But many FR animals are different from RW animals. I don't think something as basic as cattle even exists, they have Rothe instead. Also, there is a long-necked creature in Silver Marches called a Branta that might work better, it has a much thicker neck (although not as long). Perhaps take that creature, and create a longer-necked version that lives in the South, to replace to the niche the Giraffe fits into in the RW? If not, at least have your fantasy version have something different - make the 'horns' real horns that do damage, or make it zebra-striped rather then spotted. If its not a real-world copy, then you can have it have a stronger neck. Plus, I'm a firm believer in Fantasy settings having their own animals - variant versions of our own.
Spartanmax09 02-27-07, 10:11 PM	Tell me what i should modify for this level 7 War Giraffe so far it is..... STR 18 Dex 18 Con 16 Int 16 Wis 15 CHA 11 HP 48 AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural) Base Attack 6? Bite 2d8+2 Kick 28+2 Please someone modify that because i know much of it should be changed and that i need to factor in armor
FzouLxxChoseNxxOFxxBanE 02-27-07, 10:33 PM	........im talking to u on aim right now badass war giraffe yeahhhhh.... i like the sound of that
MarkusTay63 02-27-07, 11:31 PM	I'd rather see the 'horn' attack, but if you insist on a 'bite' then outfit him with some metal-chompers (like the guy Jaws in the James Bond movie). I've been accidently 'bitten' by a giraffe while feeding it carrots, and guess what? It didn't hurt... at all.
Spartanmax09 02-28-07, 03:36 PM	well if Giraffes had horns that would be nice
MarkusTay63 02-28-07, 10:50 PM	What are those? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Giraffe_standing.jpg/250px- Like I was saying, make them harder (like real horns) and you got yourself a decent attack. It is a fantasy version, after all. Not too many real ones wear armor and carry gnomes on their heads, AFAIK. :rolleye2:
Renvale999 03-01-07, 05:18 PM	A problem with a medium creature on top of the head of the Giraffe is that it would cause the neck strain and if not strong enough, it could break, do you suggest to pay more for a more well-trained strong neck, or would you buy something or protect it in a way that it could support that type of use? and it would be a balance check to stay on the head, especially with the Giraffe running and attacking people I do like the blades hanging idea, but that would also be heavy on him and how much would it costs to armor a Giraffe and do the blades idea? Riding on the Giraffe's head? You can't be serious, maybe the back but it's not really designed for riding since it slants downward. All and all it's a cool idea, but not necessarily doable unless you get somekind of unique saddle to compensate for the slant in the back.
Spartanmax09 03-01-07, 07:26 PM	that's why just make it war War Giraffe and not amount because of the the riding problems
Renvale999 03-01-07, 07:32 PM	that's why just make it war War Giraffe and not amount because of the the riding problems So your not going to ride it? I'm confused...not that it takes alot to do.
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 09:15 PM	''Yer 'aving a giraffe arn' ya?!" In the foggy british isles the above saying means so much...
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 09:17 PM	What are those? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Giraffe_standing.jpg/250px- Gnomosexual joysticks?
MarkusTay63 03-01-07, 09:46 PM	Notice the guy on the Dinosaur on the right. http://www.dinotopia.com/dinosaurparade.jpg The sadle is entirely possible, however such an animal, even a fantasy version, will most likely be a herbivore and therefore it's bite ineffectual (a bad bruise perhaps, but slim chance of breaking the skin). If you were to create a similar Giraffe-like FR creature, like the Branta on pg.120 of Silver Marches but with a longer neck that enjoyed warmer climes, then the horn attack would be do-able. By the same token a carnivorous version that has sharp teeth would be equally do-able. I'm not aware of any mammals with that shape that are meat-eaters though, so perhaps a reptile would be more realistic. It is YOUR fantasy setting of course, and you can always create whatever you like. ;)
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 09:54 PM	Notice the guy on the Dinosaur on the right. http://www.dinotopia.com/dinosaurparade.jpg The sadle is entirely possible, however such an animal, even a fantasy version, will most likely be a herbivore and therefore it's bite ineffectual (a bad bruise perhaps, but slim chance of breaking the skin). If you were to create a similar Giraffe-like FR creature, like the Branta on pg.120 of Silver Marches but with a longer neck that enjoyed warmer climes, then the horn attack would be do-able. By the same token a carnivorous version that has sharp teeth would be equally do-able. I'm not aware of any mammals with that shape that are meat-eaters though, so perhaps a reptile would be more realistic. It is YOUR fantasy setting of course, and you can always create whatever you like. ;) IRL I've seen horses do pretty mean bites -as bad as small-medium sized dogs could! Giraffe's can bite hard and have tough mouth-flesh allowing them to withstand thorns and stuff... They are insane and walk weird, I love them. Eddie Izzard can walk like one.
Spartanmax09 03-01-07, 10:37 PM	well i could do a neck type attack where the Giraffe basically takes a humongous swipe at enemies and that neck is long it could take out 2 or 3 enemies
MarkusTay63 03-01-07, 10:56 PM	especially with some spikey headgear. :D
Spartanmax09 03-01-07, 10:58 PM	Or spikey neck gear it its swinging it's neck, or at least good protection for it's neck
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 11:05 PM	neck, NECK, Neck, nek, knec, knek, KNECK Nehk.... Good lordy bennet! I love that work nek nek enekenkeneknknknknekneknekenkeneknknkenk nekenkenekeneknkenkenkeneknekneknekenken kenkeneknknkenekneck. psuedofarrealmsspawngiraffe with a neck full of suckers and mucus dripping sharp toothed openings would be hot! (as long as it had studded leather body armour of course.)
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 11:07 PM	well i could do a neck type attack where the Giraffe basically takes a humongous swipe at enemies and that neck is long it could take out 2 or 3 enemies armour with shiz loadsa spikes on its NECK! Aahh...
BrianCritchley 03-01-07, 11:22 PM	Tell me what i should modify for this level 7 War Giraffe so far it is..... STR 18 Dex 18 Con 16 Int 16 Wis 15 CHA 11 HP 48 AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural) Base Attack 6? Bite 2d8+2 Kick 28+2 Please someone modify that because i know much of it should be changed and that i need to factor in armor dear god! you're kidding right!? the mental stats are JUST A LITTLE HIGH seriously this thing's smarter then most PEOPLE
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 11:26 PM	dear god! you're kidding right!? the mental stats are JUST A LITTLE HIGH seriously this thing's smarter then most PEOPLE I'm dumber than most giraffe's so theres a universal balance.
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 11:32 PM	Actually, I have a confession to make... I am a giraffe. And proud. My people have the flehmen response, Nah nah!
Gallaweed 03-01-07, 11:38 PM	Tell me what i should modify for this level 7 War Giraffe so far it is..... STR 18 Dex 18 Con 16 Int 16 Wis 15 CHA 11 HP 48 AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural) Base Attack 6? Bite 2d8+2 Kick 28+2 Please someone modify that because i know much of it should be changed and that i need to factor in armor Giraffe people may have elven blood and monk levels, from Wikipedia: "The giraffe has one of the shortest sleep requirements of any mammal, which is between 10 minutes and two hours in a 24-hour period. This has led to the myth that giraffes cannot lie down and that if they do so, they will die. The giraffe defends itself against threats by kicking with great force. A single well-placed kick of an adult giraffe can shatter a lion's skull or break its spine." They should do Charlies Angels 3 -but with giraffes! HOT!
Spartanmax09 03-02-07, 05:21 PM	well i rolled the Giraffes stats...that just how i put it so yeah lol, and i need a smart Giraffe if i want it killing people =P
BrianCritchley 03-02-07, 05:35 PM	well i rolled the Giraffes stats...that just how i put it so yeah lol, and i need a smart Giraffe if i want it killing people =P pop open your monster manual and examine the int traits of the wolf and say.. the wrarhorse. a giraffe that smart is going to be the type to ask "but what if killing people is wrong?" note: a 16 int means the giraffe will be fluent in 3 seperate languages :)
MarkusTay63 03-02-07, 05:41 PM	I'm fairly certain that this creature can no longer be properly called a giraffe. "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore" ;)
Spartanmax09 03-02-07, 06:52 PM	well at least we know my Giraffe can speak to my party and tell us what he thinks is a good plan haha
MarkusTay63 03-02-07, 07:12 PM	The fact that your party follows the advice of a Giraffe says it all. :P
FzouLxxChoseNxxOFxxBanE 03-03-07, 02:08 PM	i would follow a giraffe....got a problem with that.....wanna fight about it? bahhh italians
Renvale999 03-04-07, 12:13 PM	The fact that this thread has gone over 40 replies about Giraffe's is very, very sad I think.:P
Burningspear 03-04-07, 12:32 PM	The fact that this thread has gone over 40 replies about Giraffe's is very, very sad I think.:P I have to agree here, specially with such idiotic high stats for a normal animal, jees...:banghead: :rant: :clap:
Spartanmax09 03-04-07, 04:31 PM	the stats were off and have been changed
Burningspear 03-04-07, 04:36 PM	the stats were off and have been changed the only "off" stats i saw were: (and no, they did not yet change). STR 18 Dex 18 Con 16 Int 16 Wis 15 CHA 11 HP 48 AC 22 10+4(dex)+4(Natural) Base Attack 6? Bite 2d8+2 Kick 28+2
Spartanmax09 03-04-07, 04:59 PM	you said they were all off?
Lord Karsus 03-04-07, 08:12 PM	The fact that this thread has gone over 40 replies about Giraffe's is very, very sad I think.:P -And yet, you read it all, didn't you? ;)
Spartanmax09 03-04-07, 08:27 PM	well i know that almost all of those stats were off, the str was close but most of it was off
MarkusTay63 03-04-07, 08:51 PM	Considering this thread has garnered MORE interest then the ENTIRE Birthright forum, I think a setting based around aggressive intelligent Giraffes is Campaign worthy. :P Maybe WotC will do a sourcebook on it... TSR would've. :rolleye2:
Lord Karsus 03-04-07, 08:54 PM	Considering this thread has garnered MORE interest then the ENTIRE Birthright forum, I think a setting based around aggressive intelligent Giraffes is Campaign worthy. :P Maybe WotC will do a sourcebook on it... TSR would've. :rolleye2: :rofl:x100 -What should it be called? Giraffrica, perhaps?
MarkusTay63 03-04-07, 09:19 PM	The Complete book of Giraffes, of course. It would include things like the Blade Neck PrC and the Iron Chompers Feat. ;)
Spartanmax09 03-04-07, 10:06 PM	i think they should make that haha, or at least The Complete Book of Pets
Renvale999 03-04-07, 11:25 PM	-And yet, you read it all, didn't you? ;) Shoosh
Lord Karsus 03-04-07, 11:30 PM	-I just had to point out the obvious. ;)
Renvale999 03-04-07, 11:32 PM	-I just had to point out the obvious. ;) As usual :)
MarkusTay63 03-05-07, 12:12 AM	i think they should make that haha, or at least The Complete Book of PetsNo, then we can't make a series out of it. :$$: Book II should be - Diet Secrets of the Hippopotamie ;)
Lord Karsus 03-05-07, 03:08 PM	No, then we can't make a series out of it. :$$: Book II should be - Diet Secrets of the Hippopotamie ;) Book III Squid Pro Quo: The Complete Book of Kraken
Stigger 03-05-07, 03:13 PM	:blink:
Spartanmax09 03-05-07, 05:23 PM	possibly The Complete Book of Harmless Animals
Renvale999 03-05-07, 07:10 PM	possibly The Complete Book of Harmless Animals Haha, that would be funny. I'd include my pomeranian. They'd have like a +20 to bluff to make people think they're tough lol
Lord Karsus 03-05-07, 08:44 PM	Haha, that would be funny. I'd include my pomeranian. They'd have like a +20 to bluff to make people think they're tough lol -They also cause other people to go into Rages, and want to end their existances...:mad:
MarkusTay63 03-05-07, 09:01 PM	So, to understand the talking Giraffe, we'd need - Hooked on Girafphonics? Can't believe this thread hit three pages... sad... just sad... :nonono:
Renvale999 03-06-07, 09:45 AM	So, to understand the talking Giraffe, we'd need - Hooked on Girafphonics? Can't believe this thread hit three pages... sad... just sad... :nonono: Sad yes, but funny.
Spartanmax09 03-07-07, 05:36 PM	what other crazy animals could we talk about making into War animals / mounts?
Purple Dragon Knight 03-07-07, 06:24 PM	I've always longed for official stats for rabbits. I'd love that, as I could apply the fiendish template, advance the critter to 80 hit dice (while still keeping it 'tiny'), and then surprise the crap out of the PCs as they try to hunt it for supper! At 80 HD, that gives the DM plenty of feats to bump the bunny's bite damage several times! (Improved Natural Attack and Improved Natural Armor... taken 10 times each or so...) Edit: knee! knee! knnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnee!!!!