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Jedi_Master_Trobon 12-29-07, 10:33 AM	and she loves it. Ok here's the thing. I haven't played or DMed in the Realms for a while now because it's just been too much to do with college and everything, but I have been thinking of it a lot recently (ah the fond memories). However, my girl-friend is interested in DMing a campaign and was thinking of doing Eberron (these new kids and their fancy airships can be distracting). However, I told her that she should look at the Forgotten Realms setting. I gave her the FRCS and told her to do what I did. Find something in that book that interests you more than anything else and read up on it as much as you can and from there the rest of the Realms will begin to leak in. Well she did that. She found the gods/goddesses section and began reading all of it and from their she made her way to the planes and the geography and is currently extreamly excited about running the Realms. I told her she didn't have to if she didn't want to and could still run Eberron, but she told me that she wasn't in the mood for Eberron anymore. :dancin::dancin::dancin:
Alediran 12-29-07, 11:14 AM	Great thing, that shows how wrong are the developers about how hard is to DM in the realms.
MarkusTay63 12-29-07, 11:28 AM	I really thought you were going to end the thread title with "and then it ran off with her!" :D When I started up a campaign last year with my sons and their friends, they couldn't get enough of the Realms - the vast plethora of lore intrigued them no end. One friend started reading the novels, and another started researching the setting by downloading old sources from Paizo. My sons have been reading through all my old sourcebooks, and think Faerūn is the "coolest place, EVA". When I told them WotC was 'simplifying it', they were very upset. I'm talking about a 19 year old, two 17 year olds, and a 16 year old. WotC's 'target audience' must be quite a bit younger then that, I suppose. :rolleyes:
Jedi_Master_Trobon 12-29-07, 11:39 AM	I really thought you were going to end the thread title with "and then it ran off with her!" :D When I started up a campaign last year with my sons and their friends, they couldn't get enough of the Realms - the vast plethora of lore intrigued them no end. One friend started reading the novels, and another started researching the setting by downloading old sources from Paizo. My sons have been reading through all my old sourcebooks, and think Faerūn is the "coolest place, EVA". When I told them WotC was 'simplifying it', they were very upset. I'm talking about a 19 year old, two 17 year olds, and a 16 year old. WotC's 'target audience' must be quite a bit younger then that, I suppose. :rolleyes: Let's see the 3E FRCS is... 6 years old now. That means I was 14 when I first began playing in the realms. I guess that means their target is my 8 year old sister? Sorry I don't mean to turn this great thing into another front for 4E combat, but it seems like everything is these days. I mainly posted this because I am sooooo happy that she chose the Realms over Eberron. I did see the relation to 4E, but chose not to say anything in the original post.
MarkusTay63 12-29-07, 11:50 AM	I think a lot of the negativity expressed toward FR by certain groups was caused by misunderstanding. First off, many GHers HATED it from the beginning (like myself), because it took away from our beloved setting (at least, that is how we felt at the time). Others hated it because they were immature children when they discovered the Realms, and hated the fact that there was stuff they "couldn't kill" (high-lev NPCs and gods). This small group unfortunetly grew and spread, and caused much of the misconceptions about the FR. When normal people are introduced to the Realms by someone who really cares about it, I have yet to see ANYONE hate it. The hate-mongers spread their ditreous vitriol before most people actually got to experience the Realms. I still hear some of these people talking about "the god-awful Forgotten Realms" at the LGS, and it usually is a Dragonlance fan, these days. Most of us old-timer GH fans have come around, but it appears the DLers never got over being 'overshadowed'. It's a shame, because they're still spreading around lies about the setting (the Chosen, Mystra, Munchkin Elminster, etc...), and I really don't see that stopping because of 4e FR. Those people love OTHER settings, and a new edition will not cause them to cease their attacks, which they think is the only way to keep their own settings of choice viable.
18DELTA 12-29-07, 12:02 PM	Watch that Elminster when he comes around your GF!!!;) he's a sly one you know?:P A lot of the settings rivalry is like high school rivalry's huh? Or is it a Yankee, Red Sock sorta thing?:D
MerrikCale 12-29-07, 01:12 PM	Great thing, that shows how wrong are the developers about how hard is to DM in the realms. Of course they're wrong. They truly believe the average D&D player is stupid and/or suffer from ADD
Jedi_Master_Trobon 12-29-07, 01:43 PM	Of course they're wrong. They truly believe the average D&D player is stupid and/or suffer from ADD Wait I have ADD.... does that mean I can't like the Realms anymore? Awww now I don't understand how anyone can like tis setting ;)
MarkusTay63 12-29-07, 01:49 PM	Of course they're wrong. They truly believe the average D&D player is stupid and/or suffer from ADDI have severe ADD, so I take exception to this. A person who truly has ADD (not all the fake cases people claim in order to get SSI checks) is able to multi-task at a much higher rate then 'normal' folks. We are NOT stupid, merely unable to stay on task because of our inability to focus on any ONE THING. Given the vast and diverse amount of FR lore, FR is the PERFECT setting for someone who can't decide on just one thing. ;) A simplified setting in 4e may appeal to some, but certainly not to anyone who is easily given to boredom, such as a person with ADD.
Jedi_Master_Trobon 12-29-07, 01:58 PM	I have severe ADD, so I take exception to this. A person who truly has ADD (not all the fake cases people claim in order to get SSI checks) is able to multi-task at a much higher rate then 'normal' folks. We are NOT stupid, merely unable to stay on task because of our inability to focus on any ONE THING. Given the vast and diverse amount of FR lore, FR is the PERFECT setting for someone who can't decide on just one thing. ;) A simplified setting in 4e may appeal to some, but certainly not to anyone who is easily given to boredom, such as a person with ADD. To be honest the FR setting has given me trouble in the past on trying to stick to one adventure line and not have the characters run off to some other place, but that is a problem regardless of settign really.
Stigger 12-29-07, 02:30 PM	Hmmm... spiffy. Always good to get a new gamer into the Realms. :)
Alediran 12-29-07, 06:30 PM	I have severe ADD, so I take exception to this. A person who truly has ADD (not all the fake cases people claim in order to get SSI checks) is able to multi-task at a much higher rate then 'normal' folks. We are NOT stupid, merely unable to stay on task because of our inability to focus on any ONE THING. Given the vast and diverse amount of FR lore, FR is the PERFECT setting for someone who can't decide on just one thing. ;) A simplified setting in 4e may appeal to some, but certainly not to anyone who is easily given to boredom, such as a person with ADD. I'm ADD too, when I'm at work I'm doing at least 3 things at the same time: True Work, Reading the boards and playing an online game/reading a RPG book. My boss gets nuts trying to understand how I can do all that at the same time. At least he's ok with my performance, otherwise I would find my ass fired rather quick, it happened me a couple times.
Jedi_Master_Trobon 12-29-07, 07:40 PM	I'm ADD too, when I'm at work I'm doing at least 3 things at the same time: True Work, Reading the boards and playing an online game/reading a RPG book. My boss gets nuts trying to understand how I can do all that at the same time. At least he's ok with my performance, otherwise I would find my ass fired rather quick, it happened me a couple times. Ok this is my last post off-topic on this thread I swear. No one can understand me. I CAN NOT do my homework unless the TV is on while I'm doing it. I just can't work without at least two things going on at once and usually I post on the boards while doing it too.
Alediran 12-29-07, 09:03 PM	Ok this is my last post off-topic on this thread I swear. No one can understand me. I CAN NOT do my homework unless the TV is on while I'm doing it. I just can't work without at least two things going on at once and usually I post on the boards while doing it too. I need heavy metal on the background and something else to divert all my constant trains of thought every time I have to do focused work.
MerrikCale 12-29-07, 10:29 PM	I have severe ADD, so I take exception to this. A person who truly has ADD (not all the fake cases people claim in order to get SSI checks) is able to multi-task at a much higher rate then 'normal' folks. We are NOT stupid, merely unable to stay on task because of our inability to focus on any ONE THING. Given the vast and diverse amount of FR lore, FR is the PERFECT setting for someone who can't decide on just one thing. ;) A simplified setting in 4e may appeal to some, but certainly not to anyone who is easily given to boredom, such as a person with ADD. It was a bad choice of words. I meant someone who lacks concentration. I certainly do not mean ADD people are stupid at all.
18DELTA 12-29-07, 11:50 PM	I need heavy metal on the background and something else to divert all my constant trains of thought every time I have to do focused work. Like Cradle of Filth? They are some Bad ass Brits!!!:D www.cradleoffilth.com
Reneshat 12-30-07, 12:13 AM	When I told them WotC was 'simplifying it', they were very upset. I'm talking about a 19 year old, two 17 year olds, and a 16 year old. WotC's 'target audience' must be quite a bit younger then that, I suppose. :rolleyes: It's not age, it's IQ (or work ethic.)
Reneshat 12-30-07, 12:15 AM	I have severe ADD, so I take exception to this. A person who truly has ADD (not all the fake cases people claim in order to get SSI checks) is able to multi-task at a much higher rate then 'normal' folks. We are NOT stupid, merely unable to stay on task because of our inability to focus on any ONE THING. I have found that it's a good deal easier when you are smarter. Being a genius with ADD means you can think circles around the people around you, even the ones as smart as you are. However, having met people that actually have it and are of average intelligence to boot, it actually does operate as a form of disability almost.
Lord Karsus 12-30-07, 09:56 AM	However, having met people that actually have it and are of average intelligence to boot, it actually does operate as a form of disability almost. -Not to sound mean to anyone who has it here, but ADD a disability? No. That's just silly. A mental disorder, sure, but it's not a disability. A disability physically discludes you from doing something- those in wheelchairs can't run in marathons. ADD doesn't physically (mentally) disclude you from doing anything. Sure, while it might be hard to, you focus, and do what you need to do. -I'm beginning to think that my girlfriend has ADD (it seems to run in her family- every single one of her friggin' stupid cousins seems to have it), and I'm constantly yelling at her, telling her to, "Focus". Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn;'y. -But, on topic: That's awesome! I wish I could introduce my girlfriend to the Realms, and have her actually like it.
Alediran 12-30-07, 10:27 AM	-Not to sound mean to anyone who has it here, but ADD a disability? No. That's just silly. A mental disorder, sure, but it's not a disability. A disability physically discludes you from doing something- those in wheelchairs can't run in marathons. ADD doesn't physically (mentally) disclude you from doing anything. Sure, while it might be hard to, you focus, and do what you need to do. I think what Reneshat meant was, that if you aren't smart enough to know what you have and how to fight it's bad aspects, you become Bart Simpson.
Lord Karsus 12-30-07, 10:34 AM	I think what Reneshat meant was, that if you aren't smart enough to know what you have and how to fight it's bad aspects, you become Bart Simpson. -I understand that. But, at the same time, even if you aren't diagnosed with ADD/ADHD/whatever other variations exist, you should know enough to do what you need to do. This frustrates me to no end with my girlfriend. She'll have a day off from school, and, knowing that she has a lot of homework to do, she'll watch TV, draw, play with clay, and whatever else, and forget about her HW until that night, and then stay up all night doing it. -I just see it as, "Do what you need to do." ADD/ADHD or not, you know you need to do something. Just do it. Getting sidetracked is fine and understandable (it happens to everyone), but in the end, as Nike professes, just do it.
18DELTA 12-30-07, 01:02 PM	and she loves it. Ok here's the thing. I haven't played or DMed in the Realms for a while now because it's just been too much to do with college and everything, but I have been thinking of it a lot recently (ah the fond memories). However, my girl-friend is interested in DMing a campaign and was thinking of doing Eberron (these new kids and their fancy airships can be distracting). However, I told her that she should look at the Forgotten Realms setting. I gave her the FRCS and told her to do what I did. Find something in that book that interests you more than anything else and read up on it as much as you can and from there the rest of the Realms will begin to leak in. Well she did that. She found the gods/goddesses section and began reading all of it and from their she made her way to the planes and the geography and is currently extreamly excited about running the Realms. I told her she didn't have to if she didn't want to and could still run Eberron, but she told me that she wasn't in the mood for Eberron anymore. :dancin::dancin::dancin: So...when will you introduce your GF to us? We promise to behave!!!;) :P :D She might enjoy all of the "discussions" going on around here. :)
Lord Karsus 12-30-07, 01:08 PM	She might enjoy all of the "discussions" going on around here. -The ones about seamen on long naval vessel? :embarrass
MarkusTay63 12-30-07, 03:01 PM	He just better not introduce her to Ed Greenwood... If he truly is anything like Elminster... :P I have found that it's a good deal easier when you are smarter. Being a genius with ADD means you can think circles around the people around you, even the ones as smart as you are. However, having met people that actually have it and are of average intelligence to boot, it actually does operate as a form of disability almost.Hmmmm... could be... mine's... kinda high... ;) I never thought about it - most of the folks I know that have it also are exceptionally intelligent. That would really suck to become bored so quickly, when one understands so little. :( -Not to sound mean to anyone who has it here, but ADD a disability? No. That's just silly. A mental disorder, sure, but it's not a disability. A disability physically discludes you from doing something- those in wheelchairs can't run in marathons. ADD doesn't physically (mentally) disclude you from doing anything. Sure, while it might be hard to, you focus, and do what you need to do.FACT: A person with ADD has a great deal of trouble holding down a job for any length of time, intelligence not withsatanding. You want to know why I became a construction worker instead of something 'scientifc' (I was programming computers in the 70's)? Because I can't stand to be in more then one place for more then a few weeks. I've actually been in FOUR different Trade unions - gave up on every one after I learned everything I could. I can build a house from the ground up - do everything myself - not because I want to, but because I can't do just one thing. I had to start my own home-improvement company just so that I could do ALL the diversified things I enjoyed. Now I'm bored with construction all-together, and stopped doing it over two years ago. That means NO income for the past two years!!! I'm playing with several different career paths ATM (BIG fun at 44), and I may even go back to school for something. Anyhow, sorry for chewing everyone's ear off... but becoming so bored that you'd walk away from a VERY good income I would definately rank right up there with other disabilities. It's just more subtle...
18DELTA 12-30-07, 03:17 PM	-The ones about seamen on long naval vessel? :embarrass Well. that an Liches being invited to Uber NPC orgies!:eek: :embarrass Simbul would be like... well never mind I dont want to get Banned.:rolleyes: :D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 12-30-07, 06:43 PM	-The ones about seamen on long naval vessel? :embarrass I know *I* enjoyed that discussion! :) Jedi Master Person, I'm so happy to hear your girlfriend fell in love with this setting!
Reneshat 12-31-07, 12:17 AM	-Not to sound mean to anyone who has it here, but ADD a disability? No. That's just silly. A mental disorder, sure, but it's not a disability. A disability physically discludes you from doing something- those in wheelchairs can't run in marathons. ADD doesn't physically (mentally) disclude you from doing anything. Sure, while it might be hard to, you focus, and do what you need to do. That's why I said almost. I was just trying to convey that I've seen it greatly limit the ability of people, but since it's not really a disability, that's why I said almost, to convey the effects. Maybe it was a poor choice in words, but I've seen it really do a number on a couple of people I have known. Edit: To further elaborate, they had a real difficult time with school, and especially afterwards because while they could grasp concepts at the same rate as normal people, they couldn't concentrate for a long enough period of time to learn the same amount. It would require almost a change in subjects every 15 minutes for them to not fall behind. It wasn't the not doing what they are supposed to that I was talking about, but the inability to concentrate which affects learning.
MarkusTay63 12-31-07, 12:32 PM	I know *I* enjoyed that discussion! What thread WAS that, again? :confused:
Lord Karsus 12-31-07, 12:54 PM	What thread WAS that, again? :confused: -The things you miss when not maying attention, eh? ;)
Stigger 12-31-07, 01:38 PM	Don't recall... was over on the magic/deities/cosmos/whateverthehellsitscalled area, I think... maybe. Possibly. :D
MarkusTay63 12-31-07, 02:45 PM	Found it, and contributed once agin... :D That 'story line' pretty much ended with my 'aperture' comment, and then we went onto poop. Lots of stimulating Intellectual discussion going on here, these days... :P