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chris_s918 09-04-06, 09:33 PM	i was looking at the new production and stuff i noticed faurn isnt geting many new books how come is it dying off or what
MerrikCale 09-04-06, 09:44 PM	I hope not. I for one love the sourcebooks, despite some recent problems.
Lord Karsus 09-04-06, 11:47 PM	-The Spelling/Grammar fairy must've died... :whatsthis -Anyway, the focus has been shifted from regional sourcebooks to regional adventures, with lore.
BrianCritchley 09-05-06, 03:08 AM	amazing how we look at ONE book and assume it's a complete change in focus.
Ranger REG 09-05-06, 05:32 AM	amazing how we look at ONE book and assume it's a complete change in focus. Replace "focus" with "format."
BrianCritchley 09-05-06, 04:16 PM	Replace "focus" with "format." yet again given that the over whelming reaction to Moonsea was "blech" I think WOTC is going to move away from that format, especially as, to be blunt, adventurers don't sell well anyway.
Fabius Maximus 09-05-06, 04:31 PM	Is Ali G. in da house, or did I miss something?
Khaelieth 09-05-06, 04:55 PM	When I picked up 3rd edition after playing Faerūn AD&D and saw everything was Greyhawk, I almost died. But then we got the FRCS. Then we got some more. And after a while I had to get myself a new bookshelf. I think they've got on helluva lot already, I've not been able to buy Shining South, City of the Spider Queen, Silver Marches or Mysteries of the Moonsea due to sparse economy. They might be trying to reach out to the larger consumer market, aka. the unwashed heathens of Eberron and such. They've put Dungeons and Dragons Online in Eberron (thank heavens!) for example. But all the novels are Faerūn more or less, though Dragonlance have quite a few.
Dark Wizard 09-05-06, 05:13 PM	When I picked up 3rd edition after playing Faerūn AD&D and saw everything was Greyhawk, I almost died. The Core Rules have always been generic. It is just that in 3e, WotC decided to fold Greyhawk into the core to act as a setting example. The Forgotten Realms have always been an optional setting for D&D. They might be trying to reach out to the larger consumer market, aka. the unwashed heathens of Eberron and such. They've put Dungeons and Dragons Online in Eberron (thank heavens!) for example. We really don't need such strong negative statements here to further the divide between the two settings. Dislike the setting all you want, but when you start targetting the players and fans, it's getting a bit too personal and inappropriate for constructive discussion. Basically don't be a troll. But all the novels are Faerūn more or less, though Dragonlance have quite a few. There are a number of published (and planned) Eberron novels.
Dark Wizard 09-05-06, 05:19 PM	yet again given that the over whelming reaction to Moonsea was "blech" I think WOTC is going to move away from that format, especially as, to be blunt, adventurers don't sell well anyway. Almost the entire schedule straight into next year are regional Adventures with lore. WotC dove deep into this format experiment, it will be some time before they can react and possibly return to regional sourcebooks. I'm disappointed. Meanwhile Eberron is putting out mostly regional sourcebooks, on other continents no less (why can't FR have fitting non-Faerunian continent sourcebooks?). A couple of Eberron adventures were published, which makes sense to put a variety of products out there. I don't see why WotC has to commit so much into this format experiment. A more moderate approach might have been a more prudent course.
Francius 09-05-06, 07:05 PM	i was looking at the new production and stuff i noticed faurn isnt geting many new books how come is it dying off or what ???? And this assertion of yours would be made compared to.... :confused: :confused: :confused: Anyway. In the 2006 (current as of this day) product listing, the Forgotten Realms franchise will see the print of 4 sourcebooks,1 adventure and 23 novels (some of them being reprints). Here's your missing comparison: The Eberron world will get 4 sourcebooks,1 adventure and 10 novels. I don't see how what you wrote has a solid base based on facts. Relax. The Forgotten Realms world will always be the champion campaign in Wotc products line.None other can match its grand scope. And for the record,I don't see how a thumbesque (aka very very small in dimension) and steam-punk filled world such as Eberron could take its place(if that's what you were really implying otherwise I still can't get an excuse for what you wrote). Sincerely,I would like to see more DragonLance and Greyhawk stuff coming out.
Francius 09-05-06, 07:16 PM	I'm disappointed. Meanwhile Eberron is putting out mostly regional sourcebooks, on other continents no less (why can't FR have fitting non-Faerunian continent sourcebooks?). Uhm, and where exactly did you notice that mostly regional sourcebooks came out for the Eberron setting?(at least for the last two years.) :confused: :confused: Let's see,.. we got Five Nations in 2005 and then Explorer's Handbook,DM's screen,sheets,Magic book,Races book,Dragonmarked,Faith book,Player's Guide and an adventure alongside the second geographical expansion book "secrets of Xen'drik". So it's mostly accessories concerning races,faith,magic and guilds situated in that world. Hardly regional sourcebooks.
Lanky Ogre Baggy Pants 09-05-06, 09:15 PM	Where do you see 4 accessories for FR. The products page only lists 3 as I read it for 2006. And all 3 are already out. That means nothing except a little adventure (which is this month) for at least the next 3 months.
MerrikCale 09-05-06, 09:27 PM	yet again given that the over whelming reaction to Moonsea was "blech" I think WOTC is going to move away from that format, especially as, to be blunt, adventurers don't sell well anyway. isn't the upcoming Cormyr book along the line of the Moonsea?
Lord Karsus 09-05-06, 09:31 PM	isn't the upcoming Cormyr book along the line of the Moonsea? -Yeah. What's it called...The Shearing of the Weave, or something cool like that...Anyway, it's supposed to be Part 1 of an "epic three part adventure".
Lanky Ogre Baggy Pants 09-05-06, 09:32 PM	Ok, so is there somewhere that actually is updated with 1st quarter 07 WotC publications? I can't seem to find them on the wizards sight and its too hit and miss to find it through amazon.
Lord Karsus 09-05-06, 09:34 PM	Ok, so is there somewhere that actually is updated with 1st quarter 07 WotC publications? I can't seem to find them on the wizards sight and its too hit and miss to find it through amazon. -Not on the WotC, I don't think. Candlekeep has some stuff, though.
Dark Wizard 09-05-06, 11:28 PM	Perhaps I should have said "Accessory/Supplement" in my posts. That still doesn't counter the point that FR only had City of Splendors: Waterdeep (2005) as the only regional sourcebook in the last 2 years (none for 2006). Eberron has had a suitable one per year. Already Secrets of Sarlona has been announced for 2007, so they're keeping to one a year. Also, looking through the 2006 WotC catalogue online I got these numbers: Eberron - (All new products, given the youth of the setting) Novel: 10 Accessory: 4 (All useful, filling in vital aspects of the setting, including one regional sourcebook) Adventure: 1 Forgotten Realms - Novel: 23 (9 reprints) Accessory: 3 (one of which is a "regional adventure") Adventure: 1 So more accurately, Forgotten Realms - Novels: 15 Accessory: 2 (no regional sourcebooks) Adventure: 2 Not better by any means, since not everyone reads the novels or uses adventures, especially not for lore and details. The problem is not that Eberron gets 4 setting accessories/supplements and that FR gets only 2. It is not adventures or novels or anything else, it is not a competition. What is annoying is that FR has no foreseeable regional sourcebook for the rest of the year and for a good portion of 2007. Also, those upcoming "accessories" books all seem to be in the regional adventure format, which means they aren't even the type of books (ones that fill out details other than regions, like organizations, guilds, history) that many can forgive or even want WotC to publish instead of a regional sourcebooks (ex: Lost Empires of Faerun, Power of Faerun, Dragons of Faerun, Champions of Ruin/Valor). Every accessory that is not a regionals sourcebook or even a supplemental format like (Power of Faerun or Dragons of Faerun) forces back the schedule of regional updates and expansions. The regional adventures occupy the schedule, offering a watered down accessory that is little more than a beefy adventure. It has been repeated many times on these boards that places such as the Moonshaes and the Island Kingdoms, the Cold Lands/Bloodstone Lands, the Lands of Intrigue, Cormyr and the Dalelands, the Western Heartlands, amongst others are eagerly awaited. Also books on the Elves and Dwarves of Faerun (even the Forgotten Folk, gnomes and halflings), or another book on religion, Faiths of Faerun, could be very worthy and successful accessories that people are clamouring for. It would be like if the Eberron books Five Nations, Sharn: City of Towers, Secrets of Xen'drik and Secrets of Sarlona were delayed for the sake of regional adventures. I would bet not every fan would be pleased. Heck, for FR it's worse, for the next year or so there are NO traditional accessories. Also, it is likely that those areas covered by "regional adventures" would occupy the potential true regional sourcebook that would have come out for it. The upcoming regional adventures is enough to cover possibly 3 accessories, 4 if you count Mysteries of the Moonsea already published. Finally, Eberron is getting sourcebooks on their other continents. One of the complaints from some FR, Eberron, and other fans is that the other continets of the Forgotten Realms are mismatched, making the setting feel disjointed due to the hodge podge mix of regions. If all we're getting is regional adventure, I would rather they put the effort into books on the other FR continents if not regions in Faerun proper. It's all about use of publishing resources and for the next year it seems those resources are being misrepresented at best, squandered at worst.
BrianCritchley 09-06-06, 02:58 AM	well the upcoming cormyr book is no more regional then city of the spiderqueen was. now I'm dissappointed at the idea of adventures cause I'll never use em, but I do feel obliged to note there was a breif period of time when WOTC was publishing Ebberon adventures and no FR ones and the overwhelming response here was "WE WANT FR ADVENTURES!"
Dargoth 09-06-06, 09:04 AM	I dont remember ANYONE saying Stop doing regional source books and do Adventures instead We didnt get a regional source book this year and where unlikely to get even a general FR source book next year as all 3 FR slots will be taken up by the Mega adventures! which means there wont be an FR source book (General or regional) until at LEAST 2008 :rolleyes:
Lord Karsus 09-06-06, 09:17 AM	I dont remember ANYONE saying Stop doing regional source books and do Adventures instead -I don't either.
Teh_username 09-06-06, 09:55 AM	i was looking at the new production and stuff i noticed faurn isnt geting many new books how come is it dying off or what Yes. Because you touch yourself at night.
Francius 09-06-06, 02:43 PM	Uhm...(again) who told you that secrets of the Moonsea isn't a regional sourcebook?Did you even read it?I guess not. So more accurately, Forgotten Realms 2006 - Novels: 15 (9 reprints with new covers but to younglings and first timers they will be considered as whole new books) Accessory: 3 (1 regional sourcebook) Adventures: 2 Eberron in the last 2 years got two campaign expansions(aka regional sourcebooks). The Forgotten Realms actually got 3.It's still one more. Lost Empires of Faerun is a geographical book depicting the history of many of Faerun's present day locations and how they have evolved over time to come to their present image. Then you have the Waterdeep and Moonsea books. Yep.It's a whole 3. And that's only as far as the two last years are concerned. Yeah, Eberron is getting sourcebooks for its other continents. Don't make us laugh. Eberron compared to the FR is a tiny puddle.It has...what?Four continents?The whole of them combined don't reach half the size in square miles of our central continent Faerun let alone our whole orb Toril compared to the orb Eberron is situated upon.It's easier to write sourcebooks for smaller places.Can't you tell? Since the Forgotten Realms and Eberron campaigns were introduced (or reintroduced in the case of the FR) for the 3.0-3.5 D&D game, the FR got 20 accessories (not counting novels and adventures) while the EBron ones started coming out just 3 years ago and they count 12(the new 3-3.5 FR are 6 years in the market).Eberron is ok,but is still very very young (larva state) and still has a VERY VERY LONG WAY TO GO to even think that one day it will hope to be compared to a setting carrying 20 years of history and more detail and flavor than anything close to it before. The comparison between these two settings can't be conceived and it is utopic to say the least. And one thing about adventures:a well written one actually can be a valid source for geographical/political/cultural aspects of the place or places it involves so sometimes publishing adventures instead of another 250 pages sourcebook can be a thing of beauty in order to expedite play and to cut in half the poor DM's precious time - ask me. And finally about 2007:It's still early to predict the product line of the FRealms for this next year.Things might have a change for the year to come.You can't just predict that the roster wil be poor.Faerun is such a big place you 'll be surprised to see new geographical books come out in a heartbeat and out of nowhere.Till then,here's something that will feed the need.click here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads) Considering these books,how many more info do you have there for the FR world?And it's free too ;)
Francius 09-06-06, 02:47 PM	Yes. Because you touch yourself at night. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Someone just floored someone else with a crossover move...too bad trolls just hit and run so that comment Chris won't read... Cookie to Teh_username for that :cookie: :cookie:
Dark Wizard 09-06-06, 05:32 PM	You seemed to have glossed over much of what I said. Mysteries of the Moonsea is not a regional sourcebook, it's a regional adventure, a series of adventures that happens to have a little background information included, related directly to the adventures included, almost never straying from just the information you need and nothing more. Regional sourcebooks might have a mini-adventure or two in them but that's about it. Mysteries of the Moonsea contains many adventures designed to take the party from 1st to 18th while focused within only four cities. If you've seen this elusive 3e Moonsea regional sourcebook please share where you found it. I am sure many posters here would love to purchase such a book. Lost Empires of Faerun isn't a regional sourcebook either. It did not focus on one region, but rather a lot of regions. It was also not about the recent happenings in those areas like in the regional sourcebooks that updates a region for 3e by taking into account the changes in the last decades. LEoF delved into the past histories of various regions and concluded by highlighting a few points of interest to the current Realms. It is certainly a useful sourcebook but in format it ressembles the Players Guide to Faerun or Champions of Ruin/Valor more than a regional sourcebook. According to your count, Eberron has 12 books in the last 3 years (4/year). FR has 20 over 5 years (4/year). They are equal in this regard. There is not problem with that, Eberron is doing it's thing, FR is doing it's own thing, plenty of room for two settings. As I said in my previous post, this is not a competition. Frankly, while Eberron is a nice setting, I don't give a damn about it if we're talking about FR and the Forgotten Realms are what we're talking about here. Eberron is getting books on its other continents. That is far more than anyone can say for FR. Kara-Tur, Zakhara and Maztica are mentioned by name only and relegated to the extreme fringe. They have been made settings expansions in exile, rotting away at the periphery, dying the slow death of neglect, kept alive mostly a few fans and by the occasional question from curious minds on forums such as these. They are a joke to detractors of FR, garnering only jeers due to their haphazard association with the Realms. To their few loyal fans they are a half-lost cause suffering indignity. Indeed, it is nothing to laugh about. If you find adventures useful, and I do find them useful on occasion as well, then WotC should publish more adventures like Mysteries of the Moonsea. However, they should not put out an adventure in place of a full accessory. Or if they did, they should not call it an accessory. There is nothing wrong with putting out 3 accessories and 2 adventures a year rather than the standard 4 accessories and 1 adventures. What WotC did was put out an adventure in Mysteries of the Moonsea and passed it off as a regional sourcebook. It was borderline false advertising. Also, accessories are all 160 pages now, cut down from 190. A 250 page sourcebook is little more than a dream in the minds of many fans, sometimes made real for the main campaign setting book, but reserved pretty much just for that. As for the 2007 slate, part of that has already been announced. We are getting Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave, which is another regional adventure in the Moonsea format. It is Part 1 of a 3-part mega adventure in this format. Seeing as FR only gets 3-4 accessories a year, this series of adventures will occupy most if not all of next years publishing schedule. This will not change because WotC indicated that they were well into this production schedule. They can't scrap these planned products because that would waste the work already done on them. It will be about 2008 before we may see regular accessory books again. All of this was confirmed in the Secrets of the Realms seminar at GenCon. And for the free downloads, I have copies of all those files across two hard drives. I reference some of them often (others not at all), but referring to old semi-outdated resources does nothing for the current state of the setting based on business and sales.
Lord Karsus 09-06-06, 06:26 PM	Yes. Because you touch yourself at night. -Hmm...You should stop doing that then, so we get some more FR Regional Sourcebooks. Uhm...(again) who told you that secrets of the Moonsea isn't a regional sourcebook?Did you even read it?I guess not. -Um, no. Mysteries of the Moonsea is a regional adventure, not a regional sourcebook.
Francius 09-06-06, 07:31 PM	You seem to have a strictly one-sided view only to what a regional sourcebook is - or can be. Mysteries of the Moonsea is a regional sourcebook depicting sites and cities in that area-it's just being presented in a new format.I guess you didn't read correctly my last paragraph.I think well-written adventures including geographical info about the areas they take place have the potential to be the best regional sourcebooks available.Somehow you can call it a regional adventure (as you and Lord Karsus correctly stated) as long as it does a great job in integrating local info into the adventuring acts it describes. Mysteries of the Moonsea does that.Scrap the adventure if you don't like it and keep only the area info.There you have it: a regional info book(not in its whole content but a regional book still). I like to see it that way.If you don't ,then simply consider it an adveture.It's still a book though containing some regional info. Lost Empires of Faerun is a regional book too.It describes many regions of the past but nonetheless it describes them in enough detail to be a regional book.It's not focused on those areas' present conditions but it gives enough clues to the Dm to figure it out.Simply put,it has info and history about regions(even past).It's a good thing that it describes lots of them in a single volume otherwise we'd be forced to buy separately additional books.So what do you call such a book in the end? The FRealms and Eberron are equally supported then.No prob here.I just wanted to highlight that the FRealms are not receiving less attention.In fact, I'm quite satisfied with the 3.5 Realms sourcebooks that came and still come out.There's also plenty of room for other settings too,not just those two.I'd love to see Mystara,Birthright and a little more of Planescape in 3.5 The fact that Eberron is receiving sourcebooks for its other continents in contrast to the FRealms not receiving any, I've already explained yet it seems you simply passed it.I'll explain it again. The whole world of Eberron (all of its continents included) can't match even half the size the central continent alone of the FRealms (Faerun) has.Faerun is so rich in lands,regions,kingdoms,cities that you 'll first need to print some 50 sourcebooks alone for it to move on to describe other of its continents(and I'm not exagerating). Eberron has only 12 sourcebooks yet they already started depicting its other continents other than the central one...what does that say to you?Lesser size and space perhaps?Most probably... Is it all clear now? Great!On to the other FRealms continents. I slightly agree with you here...but don't forget that those continents were alive and dominant during the 2nd edition era.Give time to time my friend.They will eventually rise again in the 3.5 world - just you wait.Faerun is so huge,Wotc needs to publish some more things for it first and then move on to the its other continents.That's what you have when dealing with such a gargantuan place as the Forgotten Realms.But no way in hell are they neglected or abandoned I guarantee you. Finally,the old downloads that you imply as being outdated I can guarantee you it's the whole 180 degree opposite.From the second ed. setting to the third, only ONE year passed in Abeir-toril so the info and geographical description alongside the events depicted you'll find in those books is current and up to date - only that you won't find stats for the NPCs in 3.5 format.But oh well you can easily translate them(Dms exist for a reason don't they? ;) ) I think the 2007 will be a great year for our Realms.I don't have a products catalog for it (we still have to arrive to the end of 2006) but what was said at GenCon is not in any way final and unchangeable.Expect significant additions to the FRealms product roster foe the year 2007.
Francius 09-06-06, 07:36 PM	Say,I presume you happen to be an FR junkie just like me so what do you say in joining me in "battle" in the D&D general forum where there's currently a discussion about which world of the two (FR or EB) is more interesting? We could really hold our own there if we join forces. :cool: Come on.it's going to be a whole lot of fun! :D :D :D
Red_Wizard 09-06-06, 09:01 PM	Was Mysteries a regional Source? Not in the way we're used to, but in alot of way's it is. Personally i love it, not only does it save me some time, but i can use and re-use it for info. It isn't as limited as many like to think IMO, i just think people are annoyed it wasn't the usual layout of RS, and was sold as something diff than what we know (Not that it meant anyone HAD to buy it, which is a lame excuse i hear alot ;) ). As for other short adventures coming out, again i don't mind, since this is how i see it. If i bought the regional source book, it would cover a wide area, touching briefly on each, giving rough idea's of what government, trade, people, and magic are like there, and then maybe giving a couple interesting, yet vague adventure hooks. Stuff like Mysteries, Covers a very specific thing true, but it goes into great detail with the maps in that focused area, tells you detailed aspects of the government, gives you many cannon NPC's to play with long into the future. I don't see a down side to it honestly. So basically, it takes away some of the DnD creativity, but in turn if gives you solidly based information on an area, more so in alot of cases than normal. And as for the original question, i don't see why anyone might be getting worried on the matter. After all we have so much info on the Realms already, why fret over a couple books that are alittle different? Ebberon is still small, they need their real source books to keep their fans happy, and not getting mad that Faerun is more detailed. (And while some will most likely want to argue on that last statement, please don't bother, it's the truth that the Realms is older, and more detailed :) )
MerrikCale 09-06-06, 10:28 PM	And one thing about adventures:a well written one actually can be a valid source for geographical/political/cultural aspects of the place or places it involves so sometimes publishing adventures instead of another 250 pages sourcebook can be a thing of beauty in order to expedite play and to cut in half the poor DM's precious time - ask me. But no matter how much detail is in an adventure it cannot come close to the campaign information contained in a 160pp sourcebook.
Dark Wizard 09-06-06, 10:30 PM	You seem to have a strictly one-sided view only to what a regional sourcebook is - or can be. Mysteries of the Moonsea is a regional sourcebook depicting sites and cities in that area-it's just being presented in a new format.I guess you didn't read correctly my last paragraph.I think well-written adventures including geographical info about the areas they take place have the potential to be the best regional sourcebooks available.Somehow you can call it a regional adventure (as you and Lord Karsus correctly stated) as long as it does a great job in integrating local info into the adventuring acts it describes. You even keep referring to it as an adventure. It's a series of adventures, thus not a regional sourcebook. Mysteries of the Moonsea does that.Scrap the adventure if you don't like it and keep only the area info.There you have it: a regional info book(not in its whole content but a regional book still). I like to see it that way.If you don't ,then simply consider it an adveture.It's still a book though containing some regional info. Again, I see the words "adventure" and "some regional info." It shows that the focus of the book is the set of adventures not the region info. The adventures just happen to have some regional details included in it. You are right, it is a great way to present adventures in context, I'm sure they are very adequate as adventures. A regional sourcebook would have a few mini-adventures to give examples of what can be done in that region, but it has a lot more information on the region. If I do what you say and ditch the adventures, I just spent $29.95 USD on less than 80 pages of info (assuming that the adventures take up over half the book, though I think it's more than that at a glance.) Between the half dozen cities, the dozen downs, the dozen ruins, dungeons, lairs and places of interest, the history, the recent happenings, the accompanying new or updated spells, feats, PrCs and NPCs. Less than 80 pages is just not enough to give an entire region its due. Lost Empires of Faerun is a regional book too.It describes many regions of the past but nonetheless it describes them in enough detail to be a regional book.It's not focused on those areas' present conditions but it gives enough clues to the Dm to figure it out.Simply put,it has info and history about regions(even past).It's a good thing that it describes lots of them in a single volume otherwise we'd be forced to buy separately additional books.So what do you call such a book in the end? I would call it Lost Empires of Faerun. :P Though seriously, it's a history book, just as if I were to read a book on world history. In contrast, a regional sourcebook would be like a book on Great Britain (equally about the past as it is about the present and with a few hints of the future), or even some place broader like Scandinavian, something that focuses on a specific area, not a book that covers the 35,000 year history of an entire continent with only a few mentions to how things are now. The FRealms and Eberron are equally supported then.No prob here.I just wanted to highlight that the FRealms are not receiving less attention.In fact, I'm quite satisfied with the 3.5 Realms sourcebooks that came and still come out.There's also plenty of room for other settings too,not just those two.I'd love to see Mystara,Birthright and a little more of Planescape in 3.5 The discussion isn't and shouldn't be about FR getting less attention than Eberron. It is about what attention that is being given to FR being misrepresented and how the format of that attention is now being greatly changed. The fact that Eberron is receiving sourcebooks for its other continents in contrast to the FRealms not receiving any, I've already explained yet it seems you simply passed it.I'll explain it again. The whole world of Eberron (all of its continents included) can't match even half the size the central continent alone of the FRealms (Faerun) has.Faerun is so rich in lands,regions,kingdoms,cities that you 'll first need to print some 50 sourcebooks alone for it to move on to describe other of its continents(and I'm not exagerating). Eberron has only 12 sourcebooks yet they already started depicting its other continents other than the central one...what does that say to you?Lesser size and space perhaps?Most probably... That may be true, however, it also means these continents are more integrated with the current Eberron/Khorvaire. That is not the case with Faerun and the other FR continents. We haven't seen any real material on them in over a decade. Even then they were tagged on to the Realms for marketing reasons, which means there is almost no meaningful interaction between the continents. It all comes out disjointed and some new sourcebooks could fix that. At the rate we're seeing regional sourcebooks, we will never see such books as they are unlikely already. I slightly agree with you here...but don't forget that those continents were alive and dominant during the 2nd edition era.Give time to time my friend.They will eventually rise again in the 3.5 world - just you wait.Faerun is so huge,Wotc needs to publish some more things for it first and then move on to the its other continents.That's what you have when dealing with such a gargantuan place as the Forgotten Realms.But no way in hell are they neglected or abandoned I guarantee you. They weren't alive and dominant in 2e. They had a main box set, a few adventures and a trilogy of novels or two. Then they disappeared for over a decade, only being reference a scant handful of times since. Now see, here's the dilemma. WotC has taken on a policy of neglect towards the other continents. They will not publish new material for them at least until most of Faerun is covered. The way to do that is mainly through regional sourcebooks. Now, these regional adventures are taking up the spots for regional sourcebooks. Not all fans are pleased and will clamor for more. That means WotC has a chance to backtrack through these regions, again delaying the day when WotC feels confident to revisit the other continents. Finally,the old downloads that you imply as being outdated I can guarantee you it's the whole 180 degree opposite.From the second ed. setting to the third, only ONE year passed in Abeir-toril so the info and geographical description alonside the events depicted you'll find in those books is current and up to date - only that you won't find stats for the NPCs in 3.5 format.But oh well you can easily translate them(Dms exist for a reason don't they? ) That may be true for some areas, but for others... - The Moonshae Isles was published in 1987, a few novels set there since then, but nothing outside of a few paragraphs in the various FRCS and class/kit supplements. - The Bloodstone Lands was published in 1989, nothing much other than a few novels and FRCS style entries again. - The Great Glacier (1992) Same as above. - The Vilhon Reach (1996) Since updated extensively in an indirect manner (quite a few novels, a bit in LEoF and Serpent Kingdoms), however we are left to wonder how all this new ancient and secret lore (psionics heavy Jhaamdath and Yuan-Ti past) affects the current areas around Chondath. - The Lands of Intrigue (1997), one of the more recent 2e publications. The timeline here ends around 1370, which is 4 years game time, nearly a decade in real time. The latter books such as the Lands of Intrigue and the Vilhon Reach have gotten some updates via other supplements like Lost Empires of Faerun and Power of Faerun. The earlier ones have gotten almost nothing. For some of the earlier ones, over 15 Realms years have passed, and even more real years. The 2e to 3e change over is more than just changing the rules set and the date from 1371 to 1372. For some areas it is 1359ish to 1374+. Rulers die, new threats emerge, new heroes arise, borders shift, people change. I think the 2007 will be a great year for our Realms.I don't have a products catalog for it (we still have to arrive to the end of 2006) but what was said at GenCon is not in any way final and unchangeable.Expect significant additions to the FRealms product roster foe the year 2007. I would like to ask how you are so certain of the 2007 schedule. The Cormyr regional adventure is set, due out in March 2007. We know it is 1/3 such adventures in the making, there is no choice but to assume that the second book is at least well into the planning stages, if not actually in the process of being written. That will likely come out sometime in 2007. We may or may not get the third part by 2007, it may be 2008. So that accounts for 2 out of the potential 4 accessory books for 2007. These are books that should be consider adventures, not accessories. You get these books for the adventures they present, less so for the regional lore they have.
Dark Wizard 09-06-06, 11:08 PM	Say,I presume you happen to be an FR junkie just like me so what do you say in joining me in "battle" in the D&D general forum where there's currently a discussion about which world of the two (FR or EB) is more interesting? We could really hold our own there if we join forces. :cool: Come on.it's going to be a whole lot of fun! :D :D :D I occasionally glance through such threads. Sad to say I've seen too many of them, they get rather boring, especially since some on both sides simply refuse to listen to reason and those are usually the loudest voices. Good luck in championing the Realms though.
Lord Karsus 09-07-06, 09:26 AM	Good luck in championing the Realms though. -And, don't give us a bad name!
BrianCritchley 09-07-06, 11:01 AM	meh thing is that FR and EB have differnt focuses and depending on what you like you're going to like a differnt thing,. ebberon is great if you want a world with little eistablished history so you have a lot more feelings of freedom and perfer a bit more of a high techy magical feel. I mean let's face it, a lotta folks look at the sheer amount of source material out there and find FR pretty intimidating especially as there's so many books etc for it a lotta people don't even know where to begin.
Dark Wizard 09-07-06, 03:06 PM	I mean let's face it, a lotta folks look at the sheer amount of source material out there and find FR pretty intimidating especially as there's so many books etc for it a lotta people don't even know where to begin. We could use an accessory just for that. A real Player's Guide to Faerun. :D
420 09-07-06, 04:11 PM	We could use an accessory just for that. A real Player's Guide to Faerun. :D Your wish is my command. *Claps hands together.* Forgotten Realms Books (http://www.pen-paper.net/rpgdb.php?op=showline&gamelineid=2) -420 EDIT: Ugh, because WotC sticks their own address on the front of the link it truncates the 2 at the end. Try cut and paste this: www.pen-paper.net/rpgdb.php?op=showline&gamelineid=2
Ranger REG 09-07-06, 09:47 PM	meh thing is that FR and EB have differnt focuses and depending on what you like you're going to like a differnt thing,. ebberon is great if you want a world with little eistablished history so you have a lot more feelings of freedom and perfer a bit more of a high techy magical feel. I mean let's face it, a lotta folks look at the sheer amount of source material out there and find FR pretty intimidating especially as there's so many books etc for it a lotta people don't even know where to begin. Meh. There weren't that many products for FR back in the late 80's when it became TSR's new commercially published campaign setting. :bored: I'm sure Eberron production will be heading down that same path and we'll have a bookshelf full of it that would intimidate noob gamers in 2012. :smirk:
Francius 09-08-06, 08:15 AM	I'm sure Eberron production will be heading down that same path and we'll have a bookshelf full of it that would intimidate noob gamers in 2012. :smirk: I disagree. Quite Frankly Eberron lacks the size or the potential to be what the FRealms are. The FRealms are a classic fantasy earth-like medieval world thus having the potential to be as developped as earth's history herself,while Eberron seems more of a world that doesn't bear any resemblance at all with reality and it's enclosed only within its own reality. It's just... something else that can't be put under the list of medieval fantasy...from the way I see it, Eberron could use the "Modern" game mechanics for its role-playing purposes and work just as fine. I don't think Eberron will receive the attention or dedication from authors and fans alike just as the FRealms do:you know,more than 150 RPG products,more than 200 novels,videogames,comics,action figures,fan cultism,miniatures...(since 1987).
Lord Karsus 09-08-06, 09:27 AM	I don't think Eberron will receive the attention or dedication from authors and fans alike just as the FRealms do:you know,more than 150 RPG products,more than 200 novels,videogames,comics,action figures,fan cultism,miniatures...(since 1987). -I was actually at the comicbook store yestarday, since I was killing time before going to the Met game, and I noticed that Eberron actually has a comic book. I had no clue what was going on, since I know nothing of the setting, but it was drawn pretty cool, and a lot of action was happening. -I think the Realms needs a new, cool, comic series. Have WotC get a contract with Devil's Due, or Dark Horse...Instant awesomeness.
Teh_username 09-08-06, 10:54 AM	-I think the Realms needs a new, cool, comic series. Have WotC get a contract with Devil's Due, or Dark Horse...Instant awesomeness. Devil's Due is currently doing The Icewind Dale Trilogy, as part of the Legend of Drizzt. ...which has so far sucked two of my friends into D&D, so yay for it.
Ranger REG 09-08-06, 06:05 PM	I disagree. Quite Frankly Eberron lacks the size or the potential to be what the FRealms are.Trust me, the setting will grow and expand.
Lord Karsus 09-08-06, 08:21 PM	Devil's Due is currently doing The Icewind Dale Trilogy, as part of the Legend of Drizzt. ...which has so far sucked two of my friends into D&D, so yay for it. -Oh, are they? I know they were doing the Dark Elf trilogy, but I was under the impression that they were going to leave it at that. So, the Icewind Dale trilogy, eh? Cool, cool. I just hope they eventually move on. Having comic adaptations of said trilogies is cool, but eventually I- and many of us- am/are going to tire of Drizzt. With such a panoramic world, I hope they jump about and depict some other Realmsian things.
MerrikCale 09-08-06, 11:14 PM	Song and Swords might be a cool comic adaptation.
Dark Wizard 09-08-06, 11:44 PM	I'd rather have something original, a story set up for the serial format of comics. A comic with new characters, or at least characters who don't get much attention elsewhere. Basically something along the lines of the FR and D&D comics done a decade or two ago, but new.
MerrikCale 09-09-06, 04:39 PM	I'd rather have something original, a story set up for the serial format of comics. A comic with new characters, or at least characters who don't get much attention elsewhere. Basically something along the lives of the FR and D&D comics done a decade or two ago, but new. That would be great, but I would think they would do the adaptation bit first. They're doing the Dragonlance deal now. But I agree with you. As long as the creative team was right.
Francius 09-12-06, 12:00 PM	Trust me, the setting will grow and expand. Maybe to some extent,but not quite as the one fifth of the expansion the FRealms have reached.
KnightErrantJR 09-12-06, 03:37 PM	The fact of the matter is that the last several years a lot of people were clamoring over the fact that no new adventures had come out since City of the Spider Queen. When Eberron started to get the smaller 32 page advenuters, I remember quite a few people saying that they wanted some as well. Also, when the Complete books came out, a lot of the casual FR purchasers that had little love for the setting but were picking up the books for PrCs to use in homebrews and spells and magic items and the like pretty much moved on. Add to that the idea that new players often do cite that 20 years worth of lore is a bit daunting to take in in one swipe, and I understand why WOTC has done some of the things they have done. Before anyone gets bent out of shape, understanding doesn't mean agreeing with. I think in a way, Mysteries of the Moonsea was kind of a product to show new players what they could do in the Realms, and they only really needed the Campaign setting and perhaps the Player's Guide, and they could run characters from 1st level to high level in one fairly detailed region. Unfortunately, this left less utility for those who might have wanted updated information on the region, and more detail than had been previously given, and when you add to this the lack of communication between the book department and the games line, this really did upset some long term players. I'll look forward to the mega adventures, as they may be fun, and I'll keep respectfully letting WOTC what I really want out of the Realms, and I'll let them know if I don't buy something or if I was disappointed. Take a breath, try to bleed off some emotion, and respectfully let them know what you want and what you will buy.
MerrikCale 09-12-06, 04:19 PM	I still prefer sourcebooks with mini adventures or adventure ideas.
Lord Karsus 09-12-06, 07:53 PM	I'd rather have something original, a story set up for the serial format of comics. A comic with new characters, or at least characters who don't get much attention elsewhere. Basically something along the lines of the FR and D&D comics done a decade or two ago, but new. -I agree. Seeing a comic adaptations of different series' would be cool, but I would rather see some new ideas. The Realms are so big, there is so much material that has never been utilized...Why rehash the same stuff in different formats?
MerrikCale 09-13-06, 10:04 PM	-I agree. Seeing a comic adaptations of different series' would be cool, but I would rather see some new ideas. The Realms are so big, there is so much material that has never been utilized...Why rehash the same stuff in different formats? Because the rehash would sell more.
Lord Karsus 09-13-06, 10:05 PM	Because the rehash would sell more. -Sad, but true...
BrianCritchley 09-14-06, 02:18 AM	inso far as regional sourcebooks go I think silver marches was the best. if they just kept that format and put it in ahrd cover that'd be awesome.
Garidas 09-14-06, 02:24 PM	Hey, if Forgotten Realms dies/disappers, then I am pretty much dead. -Garidas
MerrikCale 09-14-06, 09:24 PM	inso far as regional sourcebooks go I think silver marches was the best. if they just kept that format and put it in ahrd cover that'd be awesome. soft cover was fine by me cheaper. I also liked Magic of Faerun and Lords of Darkness.
ORC_Paradox 09-18-06, 09:09 AM	I would hope not. The FR game books are some of the best looking books in my collection. Especially since the pages are already yellow, I don't have to worry about discoloration! (I hate it when my nice, crisp white pages turn ugly along the edges.) They look great now, and will continue to look great in the future. The 1st edition grey boxed set was difficult to read, but the effects of the pages in the current edition work just fine.
Lord Karsus 09-18-06, 12:01 PM	Hey, if Forgotten Realms dies/disappers, then I am pretty much dead. -I don't think this is very likely. The Realms have had 25 strong years, and have built up an impressive fan-base. Arbitrarily making the Realms disappear (as a D&D/Novel Setting) would be catastrophic for WotC, since I am sure many, many people would protest the decision in one way or another.
Francius 09-18-06, 02:08 PM	-I don't think this is very likely. The Realms have had 25 strong years, and have built up an impressive fan-base. Arbitrarily making the Realms disappear (as a D&D/Novel Setting) would be catastrophic for WotC, since I am sure many, many people would protest the decision in one way or another. You didn't have to take seriously that assertion yet alone answering it. That thing is so absurd and unthinkable,it won't ever happen.Even if the D&D game system might go down one day,the Forgotten Realms will simply change game system and continue to exist like nothing happened. Come on people,you are just making yourselves look foolish if you bear even a slightest doubt that the FRealms might vanish some day... What I 'm foresseing here is the birth of a new campaign setting or the reproposal of an old one in addition to the 2 existing ones.
BrianCritchley 09-19-06, 12:11 AM	soft cover was fine by me cheaper. I also liked Magic of Faerun and Lords of Darkness. maybe but I find WOTC doesn't reduce the price a whole lot appreciably when it makes a soft cover release and my silver marches is getting a tad ragged
Lord Karsus 09-19-06, 02:37 PM	You didn't have to take seriously that assertion yet alone answering it. -I was merely reassuring Garidas that he isn't going to die anytime soon. Come on people,you are just making yourselves look foolish if you bear even a slightest doubt that the FRealms might vanish some day... -I can assure you that in the future, the Forgotten Realms will vanish.
Elrond_Hubbard 09-19-06, 07:17 PM	Cormyr: Tearing of the Weave will be out in 2007, and it's a biggie-sized adventure -- 160 pages or so, I think. And I agree, it's not a sourcebook, but it is not trying to be...but I think it will be full of great info any DM can use, whether he runs the adventure in its entirety or not.
BrianCritchley 09-20-06, 02:45 AM	as a fan of cormyr I'll eagerly snap this book up.
Francius 09-20-06, 02:40 PM	I can assure you that in the future, the Forgotten Realms will vanish. These words coming from a FRealms player... You either must be drunk or just trolling by asuming what you did. Yes,one day the FRealms will vanish,just as one day the Earth will cease to exist,petrol resources will run out,all things will die,the sun will conclude its convertion of hydrogen to helium in its core and aliens will conquer the galaxy... And believe me my unfaithful Karsus "drow",the Eberron world will have been terminated eons before that happening...
420 09-20-06, 04:12 PM	You either must be drunk or just trolling by asuming what you did. If he was trolling, then you certainly got fished in. -420
Lord Karsus 09-20-06, 05:15 PM	These words coming from a FRealms player... You either must be drunk or just trolling by asuming what you did. Yes,one day the FRealms will vanish,just as one day the Earth will cease to exist,petrol resources will run out,all things will die,the sun will conclude its convertion of hydrogen to helium in its core and aliens will conquer the galaxy... -I didn't say when the Forgotten Realms would disappear. I vaguely said the future. So, when Lavos destroys the planet, the Realms will cease to exist. When Iran causes a nuclear catastrophe, the Realms will cease to exist. When that giant meteor that is hurling towards Earth as we speak strikes, the Realms will cease to exist. As you said, when the sun burns out, the Realms will cease to exist. I am not drunk, nor am I trolling. I am simply being a realist. Nothing lasts forever- you, me, or D&D. And believe me my unfaithful Karsus "drow",the Eberron world will have been terminated eons before that happening... -Call me Drow once more, and you shall be fireballed. You have been warned. :mage: -And, why are you so insecure in the 'competition' between the Realms and Eberron, anyway?
MerrikCale 09-20-06, 09:05 PM	-So, when Lavos destroys the planet, the Realms will cease to exist. When Iran causes a nuclear catastrophe, the Realms will cease to exist. When that giant meteor that is hurling towards Earth as we speak strikes, the Realms will cease to exist. As you said, when the sun burns out, the Realms will cease to exist. I I just love positive thinking.
Lord Karsus 09-20-06, 11:06 PM	-Oh, I forgot to add one other thing. When the Cubs win the World Series, the Realms will cease to exist.
Dark Wizard 09-21-06, 12:09 AM	Whew! And I thought the Realms were in trouble for a second there.
The Ubbergeek 09-21-06, 01:32 AM	Eh... Look at Greyhawk... No official books since a long while, but there is still a thriving internet communauty. FR still have years to it.
Lord Karsus 09-22-06, 01:07 PM	Whew! And I thought the Realms were in trouble for a second there. -Yeah, don't worry. The Cubs won't be winning any World Series Rings for a while, if ever again...Though, the same was said for the Red Sox, and the White Sox. But, those two teams, when they won, had skilled teams. The Cubs do not...
Ranger REG 09-22-06, 04:01 PM	Eh... Look at Greyhawk... No official books since a long while, but there is still a thriving internet communauty. Yeah, and like Greyhawk, there will be two split factions: one who adheres to Greenwood's vision, and one who are fans of TSR/WotC version of FR.
GothicDan 09-22-06, 06:37 PM	At this point, I really wouldn't be all that disappointed if they stopped printing Realms books, because I am of the 'lore' faction. All of those bothersome NDA's would be released, and we could get just tons and tons of lore over at Candlekeep!
Lord Karsus 09-22-06, 07:26 PM	-I'd like all of that information too, but it is my belief that it is more fun to see things unfold before your eyes than it is to simply read, "In 1373, X happened. And then, in DR 1374, Z happened..." -I'd much rather watch the both Star Wars Trilogies rather than someone summing everything up for me.
The Ubbergeek 09-22-06, 08:39 PM	Yeah, and like Greyhawk, there will be two split factions: one who adheres to Greenwood's vision, and one who are fans of TSR/WotC version of FR. A sad point, if I may say - I won't make friends in saying that, but heck; I feel that the Gygax-only guys have an hand in the slow demise.... Some fans can be very, very hard to please... And if it happens in FR too, it will be again very bad...
GothicDan 09-23-06, 02:31 AM	-I'd like all of that information too, but it is my belief that it is more fun to see things unfold before your eyes than it is to simply read, "In 1373, X happened. And then, in DR 1374, Z happened..." -I'd much rather watch the both Star Wars Trilogies rather than someone summing everything up for me. I'm weird, and like to read lots of history books and mythology books and etymology books and the like, without actually reading "stories." I DID read the Silmarillion and not the LotR, for example.
Lord Karsus 09-23-06, 07:03 PM	-There's no doubt that information via sourcebooks is much more detailed, and jam packed with juicy lore. Novels can never have that much information included in them. But, as for current event situations (Such as the events of Blackstaff, for instance), I think it is more fun to absorb the information as everything plays out, instead of a few paragraphs in a sourcebook, simply stating everything that happened.
Ranger REG 09-23-06, 09:41 PM	A sad point, if I may say - I won't make friends in saying that, but heck; I feel that the Gygax-only guys have an hand in the slow demise.... Some fans can be very, very hard to please... And if it happens in FR too, it will be again very bad... It's already happening. :( Beware of the Goth.
GothicDan 09-23-06, 11:52 PM	That's right. You all better beware of people who have strong opinions and want things to go their way. I sure do, too. But that's nature. Different beings all want different things, very strongly in some cases. Besides, the split is already pretty darned obvious - namely, in those who visit the Candlekeep boards regularly vs. those who post here almost exclusively.
Lord Karsus 09-24-06, 05:31 PM	Besides, the split is already pretty darned obvious - namely, in those who visit the Candlekeep boards regularly vs. those who post here almost exclusively. -Though, those who post at both Candlekeep and here are not automatically better, there's a lot of dummies in the 'post here almost exclusivlely' group (Myself excluded, of course! :cool: )
Ranger REG 09-26-06, 02:57 AM	-Though, those who post at both Candlekeep and here are not automatically better, there's a lot of dummies in the 'post here almost exclusivlely' group (Myself excluded included, of course! :cool: ) *force-edited for correction* :devil:
Francius 09-27-06, 01:37 PM	-I didn't say when the Forgotten Realms would disappear. I vaguely said the future. So, when Lavos destroys the planet, the Realms will cease to exist. When Iran causes a nuclear catastrophe, the Realms will cease to exist. When that giant meteor that is hurling towards Earth as we speak strikes, the Realms will cease to exist. As you said, when the sun burns out, the Realms will cease to exist. I am not drunk, nor am I trolling. I am simply being a realist. Nothing lasts forever- you, me, or D&D. Lavos? Come on, you could bring up something better than that.I defeated him the first tim I went at the "end of time" and my charecters (Crono,Luca,Marle) were just 40th level(yeah,I usually level-up to exaggeration at most Rpgs - in Xenogears when I first entered the lighthouse I was level 80). It takes more than a mere Lavos to end the world and thus the Realms. The FRealms will last till there's role playing hobby.I don't know why we're even arguing about that. Nothing lasts forever? Well,you can talk only about yourself pal. Me,I am immortal. -And, why are you so insecure in the 'competition' between the Realms and Eberron, anyway? Insecure? What made you believe that? I just can't stand hearing nonsense questioning the FRealms' duration and quality especialy when the arguments are just plain stupid. Besides,do you know that Eberron sales here in Europe are catastrophicaly low? I didn't want to state it before 'cause I wanted to prove the Realms' superiority based only on the world and its quality as valid arguments,and not by being based solely on its popularity. But facts are facts. People prefer classic medieval fantasy like King Arthur,LOTR,Ivanoe,Beowulf,Roland when dealing with D&D roleplay. Trains,gun-powder,machines,constructs and alchemists are fine too,but better off with another gaming system.
Lord Karsus 09-27-06, 03:00 PM	It takes more than a mere Lavos to end the world and thus the Realms. -Alright, how 'bout if Lavos and the Terrasque team up? :) Nothing lasts forever? Well,you can talk only about yourself pal. Me,I am immortal. -Well, you just keep on thinking that. I won't get in the way of your ego. Insecure? What made you believe that? I just can't stand hearing nonsense questioning the FRealms' duration and quality especialy when the arguments are just plain stupid. -It is my belief that the Realms are superior to Eberron, and the other campaign settings availible out there. I also don't think that there is anything to prove, since the facts (fan-base, amount of revenue generated) speak for themselves. Do you know what I'm getting at? There's nothing that the Realms have to prove, so why bothing getting into arguments with others about 'what is cooler', and similar things. Those who are insecure, and really want/need to prove themselves fight the hardest. This is why there are very, very few 'Eberron SUX!!!1!' threads in the FR section. People prefer classic medieval fantasy like King Arthur,LOTR,Ivanoe,Beowulf,Roland when dealing with D&D roleplay. Trains,gun-powder,machines,constructs and alchemists are fine too,but better off with another gaming system. -Well, that's your opinion, not everyones. If no one wanted a D&D setting with trains, gunpowder, and so on, Eberron would not have been developed in the first place...
The Ubbergeek 09-27-06, 05:15 PM	Honestly, it's not totaly wrong... Eberron may fit more White Wolf's Exalted system and so, perhaps.
Lord Karsus 09-27-06, 06:55 PM	*force-edited for correction* :devil: -Just realized you wrote that...I'll remember this...;)
Mula 09-28-06, 03:19 PM	Trains,gun-powder,machines,constructs and alchemists are fine too,but better off with another gaming system. Now that's just silly. You do know that Eberron has no gun powder or guns, whereas FR has smokepowder (read: gun powder) and guns. Also, the gnomes of FR and those Lantanese humans produce all kinds of machinery that's nonexistent in Eberron. FR is the setting that mixes tech with magic, not Eberron. Both are just fine, though.
GothicDan 09-28-06, 03:24 PM	The gnomes of FR have an artificial fixation from technology, grafted onto them from Dragonlance's Tinker Gnomes. And the difference is, FR has specific handicaps against technology. Gunpowder does not exist (smokepowder does - it's magical) and higher level technology (anything that utilizes eletricity) simply does not function. Eberron has no such restrictions.
420 09-28-06, 05:28 PM	And the difference is, FR has specific handicaps against technology. Gunpowder does not exist (smokepowder does - it's magical) and higher level technology (anything that utilizes eletricity) simply does not function. Wow, that's news to me. Can you please quote sources for both of those claims? Thanks, 420
GothicDan 09-28-06, 05:34 PM	The 1E/2E (one of the two) FRCS. And there's been nothing printed so far to contradict that. The Smokepowder bit, I'm not sure about. I imagine it would be in either Gond's entry in F&A or one of the FRCS's. At this point, citing specific things is a bit hard for me, as I have none of my books at college, and they've been drilled into my brain for so long that I don't remember where they first came from. Sort of like the kinematic equations. I just have a lot of facts memorized.
The Ubbergeek 09-28-06, 06:29 PM	SMokepowder exist but the drow babies thing is baloney (I hope) or Greyhawk. Drow are mortals, humane, and NOT outsiders.
Lord Karsus 09-29-06, 01:22 AM	SMokepowder exist but the drow babies thing is baloney (I hope) or Greyhawk. Drow are mortals, humane, and NOT outsiders. -Come on...That wasn't even this thread! ;) :fett:
The Ubbergeek 09-29-06, 10:51 AM	Someone did mention the 'drow twins' myths, or so I recall...
Lord Karsus 09-29-06, 11:23 AM	Someone did mention the 'drow twins' myths, or so I recall... -Here? Eh, I'll just take your word for it, since I don't really feel like reading all of the posts in this thread.
Mula 09-29-06, 12:26 PM	The gnomes of FR have an artificial fixation from technology, grafted onto them from Dragonlance's Tinker Gnomes. And the difference is, FR has specific handicaps against technology. Gunpowder does not exist (smokepowder does - it's magical) and higher level technology (anything that utilizes eletricity) simply does not function. Eberron has no such restrictions.Nonetheless, we still have guns, magical gunpowder, and Lantanese and gnome inventions in FR. They're pretty easy to ignore if you want to, though, but they're still a part of the setting. Excluding the one exception (lightning rail, i.e. the magical train), they are not, however, a part of Eberron, which Francius claimed. (And Khorvaire is about the size of Faerūn - the settings just tend to focus on a different scale of adventuring, so to speak.) I think the artificial handicaps against techonology are a bit odd, especially with Gond around. Do the early sources cite a reason for the restrictions?
420 09-29-06, 01:53 PM	Someone did mention the 'drow twins' myths, or so I recall... Just searched the entire thread. I think you may be refering to a different thread than this one. No mention of "drow" beyond Karsus being accused of being one. -420
The Ubbergeek 09-29-06, 04:50 PM	Nonetheless, we still have guns, magical gunpowder, and Lantanese and gnome inventions in FR. They're pretty easy to ignore if you want to, though, but they're still a part of the setting. Excluding the one exception (lightning rail, i.e. the magical train), they are not, however, a part of Eberron, which Francius claimed. (And Khorvaire is about the size of Faerūn - the settings just tend to focus on a different scale of adventuring, so to speak.) I think the artificial handicaps against techonology are a bit odd, especially with Gond around. Do the early sources cite a reason for the restrictions? Someone once said different physical constants. *shrugs*
The ShapeLess One 09-29-06, 06:41 PM	Does anybody know when we can/could expect to see another sorce book? Also what is with the hard cover adventure books?
Dark Wizard 09-29-06, 07:16 PM	Does anybody know when we can/could expect to see another sorce book? Also what is with the hard cover adventure books? Amazon.com indicates that the next sourcebook will be Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave, which is a hardcover regional adventure. The Cormyr adventure is part one of three. It is very likely that the next three accessory books for FR will be in this adventure format. In which case, the earliest we will see a traditional sourcebook will be late 2007 (if FR gets 4 sourcebooks) or early 2008 (if FR gets only 3). Unless they squeeze a traditional sourcebook between the three part adventure.
MerrikCale 09-29-06, 08:58 PM	Also what is with the hard cover adventure books? Its called "bleeding you dry."
GothicDan 09-29-06, 11:14 PM	Nonetheless, we still have guns, magical gunpowder, and Lantanese and gnome inventions in FR. Guns that aren't very good, smokepowder which only the clergy of Gond knows how to manufacture, and the Lantanna are more into magical technology than straight technology (see the Gnomish Artificer PrC). They're pretty easy to ignore if you want to, though, but they're still a part of the setting. Excluding the one exception (lightning rail, i.e. the magical train), they are not, however, a part of Eberron, which Francius claimed. (And Khorvaire is about the size of Faerūn - the settings just tend to focus on a different scale of adventuring, so to speak.) Guns powdered by magical smokepowder are no more technologically advanced than wands that require you to press a trigger that happens to turn a bunch of cogs to finally activate the magic. I think the artificial handicaps against techonology are a bit odd, especially with Gond around. Do the early sources cite a reason for the restrictions? No. And nor do physics books don't cite a reason for "why" we have the E&M Interaction in real life. It's a scientific fact of the FR universe, just like gravity is a part of ours. Do you really want them to publish a "big book of FR physics?" Even then, you would get no answers to the "why" question. You would only get answers in the form of: "If X situation, then Y might potentially happen." Without a heavy knowledge of science, I really don't think one should start trying to doubt the technological nature of Faerun's Crystal Sphere, unless they are prepared to give well-informed reasons behind their criticism. There are many cases in the real world where potential differences cannot exist (such as on the inside of a spherical conductor of uniform charge density). Hey, that sounds an awful lot like a Crystal Sphere... Who woulda' thought my E&M Waves and E&M Fields classes would come in useful on a D&D board?
The ShapeLess One 09-29-06, 11:24 PM	Amazon.com indicates that the next sourcebook will be Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave, which is a hardcover regional adventure. The Cormyr adventure is part one of three. It is very likely that the next three accessory books for FR will be in this adventure format. In which case, the earliest we will see a traditional sourcebook will be late 2007 (if FR gets 4 sourcebooks) or early 2008 (if FR gets only 3). Unless they squeeze a traditional sourcebook between the three part adventure. Thankyou. All I can do is hope for a traditional sourcebook. Its called "bleeding you dry." I will not be buying them. So I remain uncut.
Lord Karsus 09-30-06, 05:50 PM	Just searched the entire thread. I think you may be refering to a different thread than this one. No mention of "drow" beyond Karsus being accused of being one. -420 -See, I was right. It was a whole 'nother thread.