Kelemvor in the Eastern Heartlands [Archive] - Wizards Community

Kelemvor in the Eastern Heartlands [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dargoth
07-01-03, 06:43 AM Need a little help

Im writing up a background for one of my players, a Cleric of Kelemvor.

the game will take place in the Dalelands

So im looking for a temple in that area

The nearest I can find is a Shrine dedicated to Kelemvor in Skull crag a hamlet in the Storm Horn mountains (the towns in the western part of the range) and its a little to out of the way.

Anyone know of another Temple/Shrine/Church dedicated to Kelemvor in either Cormyr/The Dalelands/ Sembia or even The Vast or Moonsea regions?
Will Brandiman
07-01-03, 08:01 AM Originally posted by Dargoth
Anyone know of another Temple/Shrine/Church dedicated to Kelemvor in either Cormyr/The Dalelands/ Sembia or even The Vast or Moonsea regions? Yes. By bizarre coincidence there happens to be a shrine or possibly even a temple to Kelemvor exactly where you want one!. It's your world and you can put one wherever you wish.
Dargoth
07-01-03, 08:26 AM Originally posted by Will Brandiman
Yes. By bizarre coincidence there happens to be a shrine or possibly even a temple to Kelemvor exactly where you want one!. It's your world and you can put one wherever you wish.

No one likes a smart ass :D
Will Brandiman
07-01-03, 08:59 AM I know. :D

Seriously though, there is no way Wizards will ever describe the location of every shrine, temple or other place of worship of every god in the realms.

If you're worried about it, just say that it's a new shrine dedicated to the memory of a local hero who recently passed on.
Derulbaskul
07-01-03, 09:11 AM I've been through my 2E sources as well and I can't find anything except for:

Skullspire (Tulmon)
The Darkness Passing (Calimport)
The Sahalarka (Calimport)
Tower of Skulls (Ormath)

I even tried both (2E) the Ruins of Zhentil Keep and Spellbound but no luck.

IMC, I've been thinking of having a small shrine to Kelemvor in the graveyard of practically every settlement. In and near the Dalelands, I think Hillsfar and Scardale are very likely to have shrines or even temples.
Dargoth
07-01-03, 09:22 AM Originally posted by Will Brandiman
I know. :D

Seriously though, there is no way Wizards will ever describe the location of every shrine, temple or other place of worship of every god in the realms.

If you're worried about it, just say that it's a new shrine dedicated to the memory of a local hero who recently passed on.

actually if you read my thread about a 3ed Prayers of the Faithful I suggest they do exactly that

In any case I like to exhaust all Cannon material before I add my own stuff.
K.C.
07-01-03, 02:03 PM Don't worry too much about canon. Don't let it get in the way of telling a good story. It's not like the WOTC gestapo is going to come to your house and confiscate your FRCS because you aren't playing 'offical' FR. Use canon as the begining of your campaign world, don't let it cramp your style.
Tevren
07-01-03, 02:24 PM IMC, in the Silver Marches area, there's a canon town called Newfort that was established by some ex-Zhent soldiers. I made the town a bit bigger and made the leaders worshippers of Kelemvor. Granted, it's not in the Dalelands, but you could do something similar to any small town in that area of your campaign.
WotC Gestapo
07-01-03, 03:38 PM Dargoth, would you please give me your address so that I may come to your house and confiscate your Forgotten Realms material? It's not your game, it's our game and you are not allowed to use any material that does not comply with FR cannon.
Herr Doktor
07-01-03, 10:28 PM All right, some people need t' quit their flame-ridden jabbering and pay attention! He said he likes to know all the canon based info first so that he can build off of it.

He didn't say "I use only canon info in my campaigns and keep a tight leash on my creativity. I only use published canon adventures! Nothing homebrewed! Heavens no! Canon lives!"

So leave 'em alone unless yer gonna be helpful! ;)
Dargoth
07-01-03, 10:43 PM Originally posted by Herr Doktor
All right, some people need t' quit their flame-ridden jabbering and pay attention! He said he likes to know all the canon based info first so that he can build off of it.

He didn't say "I use only canon info in my campaigns and keep a tight leash on my creativity. I only use published canon adventures! Nothing homebrewed! Heavens no! Canon lives!"

So leave 'em alone unless yer gonna be helpful! ;)

Im glad Im wearing my ring of Fire Resistence

I was hoping there might be a Temple to Kelemvor mentioned in either Volo's guide to the Dalelands/Cormyr or in the Vast under the RPGA FR setting or Dungeon/Dragon magazine that I dont have
cwslyclgh
07-02-03, 01:39 AM actually if you read my thread about a 3ed Prayers of the Faithful I suggest they do exactly that you do realize that difining the location of every temple or shrine in faerun, if not an impossible task, would at least be more then 1 book could handle... it would be like a book listing the adress of every church in Europe (all denominations and including other religions like islamic mosques and jewish synogogs as well).... it would take up at the very least several volumes the size of a phonebook for a good sized city. and that would be just listing the shrines and temples there would be no room for any new spells, etc.
Herr Doktor
07-02-03, 02:01 AM Originally posted by cwslyclgh
you do realize that difining the location of every temple or shrine in faerun, if not an impossible task, would at least be more then 1 book could handle... it would be like a book listing the adress of every church in Europe (all denominations and including other religions like islamic mosques and jewish synogogs as well).... it would take up at the very least several volumes the size of a phonebook for a good sized city. and that would be just listing the shrines and temples there would be no room for any new spells, etc.

I don't think so... actual temples are not that common across Faerūn, unless you're talking about temples to Lathander or some other rediculously popular god.

Smaller buildings like abbeys, shrines, and things of that sort are far more numerous than large scale temples.

Also, you're saying that they could not fit, even in a 320 page book, a complete list of known temples/churches? There would be plenty of room for more. A more narrow listing may be more practical (only full scale temples, or only major cities, et cetera), but it certainly wouldn't be impossible to do it otherwise.
BobROE
07-02-03, 02:33 AM Ya, I have a typed list of all the named temples from all the stuff I own (all the 3E stuff, except adventures, and most of the latter 2E stuff [not the original stuff like dreams of red wizards and the like]) and it's only like 18/19 pages long.
Herr Doktor
07-02-03, 02:48 AM Originally posted by BobROE
Ya, I have a typed list of all the named temples from all the stuff I own (all the 3E stuff, except adventures, and most of the latter 2E stuff [not the original stuff like dreams of red wizards and the like]) and it's only like 18/19 pages long.

Want to share? :D
Dargoth
07-02-03, 02:53 AM Originally posted by cwslyclgh
you do realize that difining the location of every temple or shrine in faerun, if not an impossible task, would at least be more then 1 book could handle... it would be like a book listing the adress of every church in Europe (all denominations and including other religions like islamic mosques and jewish synogogs as well).... it would take up at the very least several volumes the size of a phonebook for a good sized city. and that would be just listing the shrines and temples there would be no room for any new spells, etc.

nah it would be much easier that that

in the real world theres more than one church in a city in the FR this is not the case. While there may be many Catholic churches in Paris there is only 1 temples to Bane in Zhentil Keep etc

20-40 pages tops

most towns in the FR only have only have one church in a town and god X is considered the deity of the town
cwslyclgh
07-02-03, 04:46 AM most towns in the FR only have only have one church in a town and god X is considered the deity of the town I am not sure where you got that information...

most cities in the FR have 1-3 major temples and a bunch of shrines... even shadowdale which is a small town has 3 major temples (lathander, Tymora, Chantea) and shrines to Tempus (2 of them) and Mystra... since you want them all listed you have to include the secret shrine to Lolth in the caves under the old skull and the druid grove north-west of town as well.
Dargoth
07-02-03, 05:27 AM Originally posted by cwslyclgh
I am not sure where you got that information...

most cities in the FR have 1-3 major temples and a bunch of shrines... even shadowdale which is a small town has 3 major temples (lathander, Tymora, Chantea) and shrines to Tempus (2 of them) and Mystra... since you want them all listed you have to include the secret shrine to Lolth in the caves under the old skull and the druid grove north-west of town as well.

Thats 5 lines of text for a town thats been heavily detailed
BobROE
07-02-03, 02:05 PM Originally posted by Herr Doktor
Want to share? :D

Sure, just e-mail me (indicate text or word).
jim9311
07-02-03, 03:17 PM email one my way:

jim9311@bellsouth.net

Thanks
Asser Carabel
07-02-03, 03:34 PM In our game Suzail (Cormyr) have a temple and almost every town have a graveyard (so a place to find a kelem... ).

And if nothing is found in a new city I will take contact to Suzail and ask some money to start atleast a shrine :) (and get some inome to my pocket too).

Also Amn have a good place and Calimport of cource

Best regards,
Father Asser Carabel originally from Calimport former Attaal Im Lagos LE Mage of the group of soinfamous singing dragong killers (with the odour and looks (CHA 5)).
Savras
07-02-03, 04:40 PM Could you send one to Savras2@yahoo.com?

Thanks!
Savras

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dargoth 07-01-03, 06:43 AM	Need a little help Im writing up a background for one of my players, a Cleric of Kelemvor. the game will take place in the Dalelands So im looking for a temple in that area The nearest I can find is a Shrine dedicated to Kelemvor in Skull crag a hamlet in the Storm Horn mountains (the towns in the western part of the range) and its a little to out of the way. Anyone know of another Temple/Shrine/Church dedicated to Kelemvor in either Cormyr/The Dalelands/ Sembia or even The Vast or Moonsea regions?
Will Brandiman 07-01-03, 08:01 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth Anyone know of another Temple/Shrine/Church dedicated to Kelemvor in either Cormyr/The Dalelands/ Sembia or even The Vast or Moonsea regions? Yes. By bizarre coincidence there happens to be a shrine or possibly even a temple to Kelemvor exactly where you want one!. It's your world and you can put one wherever you wish.
Dargoth 07-01-03, 08:26 AM	Originally posted by Will Brandiman Yes. By bizarre coincidence there happens to be a shrine or possibly even a temple to Kelemvor exactly where you want one!. It's your world and you can put one wherever you wish. No one likes a smart ass :D
Will Brandiman 07-01-03, 08:59 AM	I know. :D Seriously though, there is no way Wizards will ever describe the location of every shrine, temple or other place of worship of every god in the realms. If you're worried about it, just say that it's a new shrine dedicated to the memory of a local hero who recently passed on.
Derulbaskul 07-01-03, 09:11 AM	I've been through my 2E sources as well and I can't find anything except for: Skullspire (Tulmon) The Darkness Passing (Calimport) The Sahalarka (Calimport) Tower of Skulls (Ormath) I even tried both (2E) the Ruins of Zhentil Keep and Spellbound but no luck. IMC, I've been thinking of having a small shrine to Kelemvor in the graveyard of practically every settlement. In and near the Dalelands, I think Hillsfar and Scardale are very likely to have shrines or even temples.
Dargoth 07-01-03, 09:22 AM	Originally posted by Will Brandiman I know. :D Seriously though, there is no way Wizards will ever describe the location of every shrine, temple or other place of worship of every god in the realms. If you're worried about it, just say that it's a new shrine dedicated to the memory of a local hero who recently passed on. actually if you read my thread about a 3ed Prayers of the Faithful I suggest they do exactly that In any case I like to exhaust all Cannon material before I add my own stuff.
K.C. 07-01-03, 02:03 PM	Don't worry too much about canon. Don't let it get in the way of telling a good story. It's not like the WOTC gestapo is going to come to your house and confiscate your FRCS because you aren't playing 'offical' FR. Use canon as the begining of your campaign world, don't let it cramp your style.
Tevren 07-01-03, 02:24 PM	IMC, in the Silver Marches area, there's a canon town called Newfort that was established by some ex-Zhent soldiers. I made the town a bit bigger and made the leaders worshippers of Kelemvor. Granted, it's not in the Dalelands, but you could do something similar to any small town in that area of your campaign.
WotC Gestapo 07-01-03, 03:38 PM	Dargoth, would you please give me your address so that I may come to your house and confiscate your Forgotten Realms material? It's not your game, it's our game and you are not allowed to use any material that does not comply with FR cannon.
Herr Doktor 07-01-03, 10:28 PM	All right, some people need t' quit their flame-ridden jabbering and pay attention! He said he likes to know all the canon based info first so that he can build off of it. He didn't say "I use only canon info in my campaigns and keep a tight leash on my creativity. I only use published canon adventures! Nothing homebrewed! Heavens no! Canon lives!" So leave 'em alone unless yer gonna be helpful! ;)
Dargoth 07-01-03, 10:43 PM	Originally posted by Herr Doktor All right, some people need t' quit their flame-ridden jabbering and pay attention! He said he likes to know all the canon based info first so that he can build off of it. He didn't say "I use only canon info in my campaigns and keep a tight leash on my creativity. I only use published canon adventures! Nothing homebrewed! Heavens no! Canon lives!" So leave 'em alone unless yer gonna be helpful! ;) Im glad Im wearing my ring of Fire Resistence I was hoping there might be a Temple to Kelemvor mentioned in either Volo's guide to the Dalelands/Cormyr or in the Vast under the RPGA FR setting or Dungeon/Dragon magazine that I dont have
cwslyclgh 07-02-03, 01:39 AM	actually if you read my thread about a 3ed Prayers of the Faithful I suggest they do exactly that you do realize that difining the location of every temple or shrine in faerun, if not an impossible task, would at least be more then 1 book could handle... it would be like a book listing the adress of every church in Europe (all denominations and including other religions like islamic mosques and jewish synogogs as well).... it would take up at the very least several volumes the size of a phonebook for a good sized city. and that would be just listing the shrines and temples there would be no room for any new spells, etc.
Herr Doktor 07-02-03, 02:01 AM	Originally posted by cwslyclgh you do realize that difining the location of every temple or shrine in faerun, if not an impossible task, would at least be more then 1 book could handle... it would be like a book listing the adress of every church in Europe (all denominations and including other religions like islamic mosques and jewish synogogs as well).... it would take up at the very least several volumes the size of a phonebook for a good sized city. and that would be just listing the shrines and temples there would be no room for any new spells, etc. I don't think so... actual temples are not that common across Faerūn, unless you're talking about temples to Lathander or some other rediculously popular god. Smaller buildings like abbeys, shrines, and things of that sort are far more numerous than large scale temples. Also, you're saying that they could not fit, even in a 320 page book, a complete list of known temples/churches? There would be plenty of room for more. A more narrow listing may be more practical (only full scale temples, or only major cities, et cetera), but it certainly wouldn't be impossible to do it otherwise.
BobROE 07-02-03, 02:33 AM	Ya, I have a typed list of all the named temples from all the stuff I own (all the 3E stuff, except adventures, and most of the latter 2E stuff [not the original stuff like dreams of red wizards and the like]) and it's only like 18/19 pages long.
Herr Doktor 07-02-03, 02:48 AM	Originally posted by BobROE Ya, I have a typed list of all the named temples from all the stuff I own (all the 3E stuff, except adventures, and most of the latter 2E stuff [not the original stuff like dreams of red wizards and the like]) and it's only like 18/19 pages long. Want to share? :D
Dargoth 07-02-03, 02:53 AM	Originally posted by cwslyclgh you do realize that difining the location of every temple or shrine in faerun, if not an impossible task, would at least be more then 1 book could handle... it would be like a book listing the adress of every church in Europe (all denominations and including other religions like islamic mosques and jewish synogogs as well).... it would take up at the very least several volumes the size of a phonebook for a good sized city. and that would be just listing the shrines and temples there would be no room for any new spells, etc. nah it would be much easier that that in the real world theres more than one church in a city in the FR this is not the case. While there may be many Catholic churches in Paris there is only 1 temples to Bane in Zhentil Keep etc 20-40 pages tops most towns in the FR only have only have one church in a town and god X is considered the deity of the town
cwslyclgh 07-02-03, 04:46 AM	most towns in the FR only have only have one church in a town and god X is considered the deity of the town I am not sure where you got that information... most cities in the FR have 1-3 major temples and a bunch of shrines... even shadowdale which is a small town has 3 major temples (lathander, Tymora, Chantea) and shrines to Tempus (2 of them) and Mystra... since you want them all listed you have to include the secret shrine to Lolth in the caves under the old skull and the druid grove north-west of town as well.
Dargoth 07-02-03, 05:27 AM	Originally posted by cwslyclgh I am not sure where you got that information... most cities in the FR have 1-3 major temples and a bunch of shrines... even shadowdale which is a small town has 3 major temples (lathander, Tymora, Chantea) and shrines to Tempus (2 of them) and Mystra... since you want them all listed you have to include the secret shrine to Lolth in the caves under the old skull and the druid grove north-west of town as well. Thats 5 lines of text for a town thats been heavily detailed
BobROE 07-02-03, 02:05 PM	Originally posted by Herr Doktor Want to share? :D Sure, just e-mail me (indicate text or word).
jim9311 07-02-03, 03:17 PM	email one my way: jim9311@bellsouth.net Thanks
Asser Carabel 07-02-03, 03:34 PM	In our game Suzail (Cormyr) have a temple and almost every town have a graveyard (so a place to find a kelem... ). And if nothing is found in a new city I will take contact to Suzail and ask some money to start atleast a shrine :) (and get some inome to my pocket too). Also Amn have a good place and Calimport of cource Best regards, Father Asser Carabel originally from Calimport former Attaal Im Lagos LE Mage of the group of soinfamous singing dragong killers (with the odour and looks (CHA 5)).
Savras 07-02-03, 04:40 PM	Could you send one to Savras2@yahoo.com? Thanks! Savras